Do you believe we are in the Tribulation right now?

[JohnDB]

What is the reason you want to know?

And if I proved my answer beyond all shadow of a doubt....would you accept it or look for ways that I'm totally wrong and should be burned at the stake for heresy.

A lot of wrong answers are of course going to be given in this thread....

The truth is that only a select few have ever understood and been accurate with understanding far distant prophecy after it was given. And the "roar" of famous intellectuals claiming to understand and their even larger crowd of parrots have ALWAYS been wrong.

If I could give an accurate date of the final eschaton....what difference in your life would it make?

Especially if it was.... lets say...... 20 years from now....what would you do?

 

[soberxp]

I believe that we are in big trouble maker's world.
I hope that you could fly into the heaven right now, but just day dream.

 

[JonathanBentley]

Some people believe that the temple has to be rebuilt first

 

[Magenta]

There will be no doubt in ones mind when either tribulation begins, These are supernatural beings appearing on earth and the cameras will be on them 24/7. The choice will be up to each and every individual, it won’t be made for you. The rapture is not automatic in selecting, each and everyone must make that choice on their own. Which Christ will you choose my friends. You very soul depends on your selection. Those that worship anti christ, even by mistake, will not take part in the first resurrection. It will a 1000 years later, after the millennium, before they get a chance at taking part in the second resurrection.

Welcome!

 

[maxwel]

My Personal Belief:

If one were in the tribulation... one would not have to ask.

: )

 

[Blade]

I hear so many youtubers claiming we are in the midst of the 2nd seal. What do you think?
I always thought that the anti-christ had to sign and confirm a covenant for 7 years first.

No for the Church is still here. I am talking not God words ..hint... I know my authority power I know GOD Christ is in me and the sweet holy spirit in me forever so as long as the Church is still here the AntiChrist can never ever come against touch the Church for we have been given all power all authority over the enemy and nothing shall by any means hurt you. It is only when He is taken out of the way then the AnitChrist comes with lying wonders.

That right there no one is out there doing lying wonders things only a God can do yet the wonders are just lies.

 

[CS1]

I have not been subject to the Wrath of God. Therefore We are not in the "Great Tribulation," ALTHOUGH THERE IS Tribulation and always has been.

 

[soberxp]

lying wonders

The lying wonders is a lie told in public, but people are not surprised and do not think it is a lie, so it is called the lying wonders.

 

[GRACE_ambassador]

I hear so many youtubers claiming we are in the midst of the 2nd seal. What do you think?
I always thought that the anti-christ had to sign and confirm a covenant for 7 years first.

Precious friend, Never go by what Many u-tubers 'claim,' But Always go by
God's Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided, and "What Saith The Scriptures?":

"And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it
were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.
And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and
a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer..."

"...And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say,
Come and see. And there went out another horse that was red: and power
was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that
they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword."
(Rev 6:1-4)

[ These are in conjunction with passages from Daniel and Matthew, so,
since I'm not much of a prophecy expert, you will have to check with:

@TheDivineWatermark or @cv5 about the "man of sin" and these seals... ]

I do know that these belong to Israel and the nations, according to
prophecy, covenants, and the law, and must be:

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That Differ” (online)

What God Has for The Body Of Christ, Today, Under Grace, According To The
"Revelation Of The Mystery" (Romans - Philemon)

Before the "man of sin" is revealed, and seals of prophecy can be in effect,
God Will First Remove All of His 'ambassadors' ( believers ) [ Before
"Declaring War, Wrath, Delusion, and Great Tribulation, & Darkness,
on an UNbelieving world..." ]:

Since The Body Of Christ Is Not appointed to Wrath (1 Thessalonians 1:10, 5:9),
Grace Ends Before God's prophecy Resumes & the above Judgments begin!

More 'Rightly Divided' info is here, for Scriptural Clarification:

Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure I
+
Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure II

hope this helps...

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

I believe we're in the beginning of sorrows (or birth pains) spoken of by Jesus in Matthew 24:4-8:

"And Jesus answered and said to them: Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come in My name, saying, I am the Christ, and will deceive many. And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. And there will be famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in various places. All these are the beginning of sorrows."​

​

These signs could correspond to the first four seals of the scroll in Revelation 6; there a many similarities. For the record, I'm not pre-trib; I'm pre-wrath.

Agree!!


this is how i put it in another Thread:

i do keep in mind the last 7, specifically, last 3 1/2 years, second half of the Tribulation, the emphasis is upon JEWS coming to Christ. even though we know during the last Revival [[ALL Nations]] will be represented, it's mostly directed at bringing JEWS to Yeshua. Clearly, the Gentile Period we are currently in will End. but nowhere states we aren't still on Earth technically when Tribulation begins or for some period between years 1 thru 3 1/2. so i am not thoroughly convinced it literally means before Tribulation begins. i don't think Day One of Tribulation will be any different than the Day before Tribulation begins. i don't think there's any spiritual evidence from Satan for a long period if not until the Second half of Tribulation where people will see anything different than the Day before Tribulation begins. That could go for a couple of years. Christians are only being persecuted by Atheist, not demon possessed robots of Satan with the Mark during first couple years of Tribulation.

i don't see a Rapture happening until Gentile Christians are nearing true danger. and that's not really happening until probably year 3 of Tribulation.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Agree!!


this is how i put it in another Thread:

i do keep in mind the last 7, specifically, last 3 1/2 years, second half of the Tribulation, the emphasis is upon JEWS coming to Christ. even though we know during the last Revival [[ALL Nations]] will be represented, it's mostly directed at bringing JEWS to Yeshua. Clearly, the Gentile Period we are currently in will End. but nowhere states we aren't still on Earth technically when Tribulation begins or for some period between years 1 thru 3 1/2. so i am not thoroughly convinced it literally means before Tribulation begins. i don't think Day One of Tribulation will be any different than the Day before Tribulation begins. i don't think there's any spiritual evidence from Satan for a long period if not until the Second half of Tribulation where people will see anything different than the Day before Tribulation begins. That could go for a couple of years. Christians are only being persecuted by Atheist, not demon possessed robots of Satan with the Mark during first couple years of Tribulation.

i don't see a Rapture happening until Gentile Christians are nearing true danger. and that's not really happening until probably year 3 of Tribulation.

^
with that in mind...

if i woke up tomorrow and it was Tribulation Day Number ONE, i think it would be the same as today was. i don't see a major change at once and Christians might not even know it is Day One. i think around 2nd year is most likely when the Rapture takes place.

Believers have slipped so far away even if there was a Sign that indicated Tribulation Day One is HERE majority if not all would miss it.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Some people believe that the temple has to be rebuilt first

the Temple only matters after year 3 1/2 or near there from day 1 of Tribulation.

Christians could be watching the rebuilding of the Temple and thinking here comes Tribulation and it could be year 2 already.

 

[cv5]

1) I hear so many youtubers claiming we are in the midst of the 2nd seal.
2) I always thought that the anti-christ had to sign and confirm a covenant for 7 years first.

1) Nope. We have yet to be raptured, so proof positive that we are not in the 2nd seal.
2) There must be a "departing first". THEN the man of sin shall be revealed, and then:
he shall "confirm H1396 the covenant H1285 with many H7227 for one H259 week:"

2 Thes 2:3
Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm H1396 the covenant H1285 with many H7227 for one H259 week: H7620 and in the midst H2677 of the week H7620 he shall cause the sacrifice H2077 and the oblation H4503 to cease, H7673 and for the overspreading H3671 of abominations H8251 he shall make it desolate, H8074 even until the consummation, H3617 and that determined H2782 shall be poured H5413 upon the desolate. H8074

H1396 - gāḇar - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
KJV Translation Count — Total: 25x
The KJV translates Strong's H1396 in the following manner: prevail (14x), strengthen (3x), great (2x), confirm (1x), exceeded (1x), mighty (1x), put (1x), stronger (1x), valiant (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
   1. (Qal)
      1. to be strong, mighty
      2. to prevail
   2. (Piel) to make strong, strengthen
   3. (Hiphil)
      1. to confirm, give strength
      2. to confirm (a covenant)
   4. (Hithpael)
      1. to show oneself mighty
      2. to act proudly (toward God)

 

[Paran]

I hear so many youtubers claiming we are in the midst of the 2nd seal. What do you think?
I always thought that the anti-christ had to sign and confirm a covenant for 7 years first.

No Rapture, no Trib yet.

 

[cv5]

1) Nope. We have yet to be raptured, so proof positive that we are not in the 2nd seal.
2) There must be a "departing first". THEN the man of sin shall be revealed, and then:
he shall "confirm H1396 the covenant H1285 with many H7227 for one H259 week:"

2 Thes 2:3
Let noman disceaue you by eny meanes. For the LORDE commeth not, excepte the departynge come first, and that that Man of synne be opened, euen the sonne of perdicion,

Dan 9:27
And he shall confirm H1396 the covenant H1285 with many H7227 for one H259 week: H7620 and in the midst H2677 of the week H7620 he shall cause the sacrifice H2077 and the oblation H4503 to cease, H7673 and for the overspreading H3671 of abominations H8251 he shall make it desolate, H8074 even until the consummation, H3617 and that determined H2782 shall be poured H5413 upon the desolate. H8074

H1396 - gāḇar - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)
KJV Translation Count — Total: 25x
The KJV translates Strong's H1396 in the following manner: prevail (14x), strengthen (3x), great (2x), confirm (1x), exceeded (1x), mighty (1x), put (1x), stronger (1x), valiant (1x).

Outline of Biblical Usage

1. to prevail, have strength, be strong, be powerful, be mighty, be great
   1. (Qal)
      1. to be strong, mighty
      2. to prevail
   2. (Piel) to make strong, strengthen
   3. (Hiphil)
      1. to confirm, give strength
      2. to confirm (a covenant)
   4. (Hithpael)
      1. to show oneself mighty
      2. to act proudly (toward God)

EDIT^^

2) There must be "THE departing first".

 

[cv5]

EDIT^^

2) There must be "THE departing first".

I can be sloppy in my definitions: "departing" is a VERB.
I am not an English major lol!

EDIT^^
ho (definite article) apostasia (noun)

THE DEPARTURE

"will not be present if not shall have come THE Departure FIRST "

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

No Rapture, no Trib yet.

seeing that the Rapture is Pre-Wrath, we won't notice the day before Day ONE of Tribulation and Day ONE of Tribulation itself when IT happens. it will be just another day, if day before is Tuesday, then day ONE of Trib is Wednesday and we won't even know the difference.
what we will KNOW, when we see things happening that are past actual birthing pangs and into the EYE of the Wake before WRATH unleashes. Rapture, by ALL Scriptural definition is us being REMOVED [[BEFORE]] WRATH, will happen.

so to ask, is today we live a day in the Great Tribulation? we wouldn't know for the first couple of years if it was..

 

[cv5]

so to ask, is today we live a day in the Great Tribulation? we wouldn't know for the first couple of years if it was..

Really? Then tell us how we could possibly fail to understand the fact that we have already been raptured before the man of sin has been revealed, 1st seal/birth pang?

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...pseudo-rapture-doctrine-4.208914/post-5001229
https://christianchat.com/threads/any-post-or-non-tribbers-in-here.204843/post-5046109
https://christianchat.com/threads/any-post-or-non-tribbers-in-here.204843/post-5046098
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5026000
https://christianchat.com/threads/post-trib-rapture.209486/post-5010337

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Really? Then tell us how we could possibly fail to understand the fact that we have already been raptured before the man of sin has been revealed, 1st seal/birth pang?

https://christianchat.com/threads/c...pseudo-rapture-doctrine-4.208914/post-5001229
https://christianchat.com/threads/any-post-or-non-tribbers-in-here.204843/post-5046109
https://christianchat.com/threads/any-post-or-non-tribbers-in-here.204843/post-5046098
https://christianchat.com/threads/c...-his-2030-return-of-jesus.209327/post-5026000
https://christianchat.com/threads/post-trib-rapture.209486/post-5010337

because someone sitting on a temple throne is not WRATH, what follows is WRATH. we will be gone. Raptured! Pre-Wrath!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

because someone sitting on a temple throne is not WRATH, what follows is WRATH. we will be gone. Raptured! Pre-Wrath!

and what i mean by this post here ^

all the time from day one of Tribulation until sitting on temple throne and all Wrath unleashing, we are safe of the WRATH from day one until easily year 2 of Tribulation, which is well before Man of Sin is revealed or sitting on a temple throne.