So God gives you faith so you can bury it like in the parable of the talents .
That makes no sense.
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That makes no sense.
Not what the Word says. Faith comes by hearing the Word, not after. You have the cart before the horse.
What? I included a verse that explains that spiritual hearing is given. Did you not understand it - Luk 8:10? NO ONE CAN HEAR unless given spiritual ears.
[Mat 11:15 KJV] 15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
[Mat 13:9, 43 KJV] 9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hea
[Mat 13:43 KJV] 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
So, it makes no sense to you that Christ alone is the Redeemer/Saviou? Because that is precisely and exactly
what I'm saying.
You are saying if anyone does anything to accept the gift of God it nullifies God's grace.
How do you get from anything I have said that Jesus is not our Saviour?
Don't bother answering. It is a rhetorical question..
You are saying if anyone does anything to accept the gift of God it nullifies God's grace.
How do you get from anything I have said that Jesus is not our Saviour?
Don't bother answering. It is a rhetorical question..
Please, I insist.
Because you say that something must be done to get it. Look, what you're saying is this: that if you do what you say is required, then by it you become saved and if you don't do it, then you won't be saved. Therefore, should you do it, you've saved yourself. Likewise, if you
don't do it, then you have condemned yourself. Any reasonable analysis of that leads to the unmistakable conclusion that
your salvation is up to you, and therefore you are your own saviour, not Christ.
If you do not believe, you are not saved. Is this not a given?
God's gift is freely offered to all.
What I am saying is, if one does nothing, they have not accepted this gift, and by default, have rejected it.
In other words, if God's gift is not accepted, it has not been received.
Is that really difficult to understand?
Accepting God's gift does not nullify His grace, either!
God does not force people to believe, either.
Anyone who hears the Word, hearing comes FIRST.
14 How then shall they call on Him in whom they have not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard? And how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
“How beautiful are the feet of those who [b]preach the gospel of peace,
Who bring glad tidings of good things!”
So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
First you hear then you believe.
Yes, it is not a given. As (I believe) brightfame52 once said - no faith to get saved, faith to be saved.
And if you're asking that question, then you obviously didn't grasp what I've been saying.
Not difficult to understand at all. Understanding isn't the problem. The problem is that it is plain wrong.
Does God opening one's understanding come into play in any way? Does this occur? When does it occur if it does? Is it significant for salvation?
No, you have to be given ears that hear first which comes from being born again, not before.
[Mat 13:16 KJV] 16 But blessed [are] your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
Of course. No disagreement.
But this doesn’t address any of the points I made.
Doesn’t explain where the faith came from.
Faith is ACTIVATED by the hearing of the Word.
It is something that God has gifted you, that is brought out by the hearing of the Word.
Thanks for clarifying that you do not agree with Scripture, that we are saved by grace through faith.
Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
Faith is a work. It is God's work that anyone believes in Christ. Please, read this verses carefully. Could they be clearer?
It tells us that faith is a work, and that it is God's work alone that someone believes in Christ. Through Christ, we
are given true faith.
[Jhn 6:29 KJV] 29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Using that logic, everyone who hears the Word should receive saving faith, yet we know they dont. So, what is it that makes God decide? Is it that they don't use that faith, or simply don't believe what they are hearing?
Thanks for clarifying that you do not agree with Scripture, that we are saved by grace through faith.
Acts 10:43~ All the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins through His name.
I do agree with scripture - it is that you do not comprehend it. Salvation is by/because of Christ's faith, not ours. Our faith
is a gift of that.