Salvation is for the Whole World
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we tend to measure God, if measure is the correct word, by our standards. When we give a gift we are hurt sadened
Salvation is not like a Christmas gift exchange where folks are on a horizontal plain.
A gift we either accept or reject .
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Are you now claiming God does not enable us???
And that if one rejects His gift of salvation, they do not suffer the second death???
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He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
And that if one rejects His gift of salvation, they do not suffer the second death???
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He went on to say, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless the Father has enabled them.”
Nope. Regarding 1 Tim 2:4, to understand the "all" we need to look further. The "all" are all the Father gave to Christ which cannot be more than those the Father gave to Christ, of whom must become saved.
[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[Jhn 6:65-66 KJV] 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66
From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Regarding Pet 3:9, you need to determine who the "us-ward" are. To do that look at 2 Pet 1:1. Peter is speaking to, and has in
mind, only the elect as being the "us-ward".
[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
[Jhn 6:39 KJV] 39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
[Jhn 6:65-66 KJV] 65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. 66
From that [time] many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Regarding Pet 3:9, you need to determine who the "us-ward" are. To do that look at 2 Pet 1:1. Peter is speaking to, and has in
mind, only the elect as being the "us-ward".
[2Pe 1:1 KJV] 1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
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That's what I mean if you are interpreting "enabled" as choice.
- to give
- to give something to someone
- of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
- to bestow a gift
- to grant, give to one asking, let have
- to supply, furnish, necessary things
- to give over, deliver
- to reach out, extend, present
- of a writing
- to give over to one's care, intrust, commit
- something to be administered
- to give or commit to some one something to be religiously observed
- to give what is due or obligatory, to pay: wages or reward
- to furnish, endue
- of one's own accord to give one something, to his advantage
- to give
The fact that it is a gift is not under contention. You saying / if we have to accept it, then God's grace is nullified / is under contention.
You claiming that accepting a gift makes it not a gift is under contention.
Your claim that acceptance of God's gift is a work is under contention.
You claiming nothing at all is required of us is under contention.
You claiming that accepting a gift makes it not a gift is under contention.
Your claim that acceptance of God's gift is a work is under contention.
You claiming nothing at all is required of us is under contention.
Accepting a gift does not contradict the fact that a gift is a gift.
I can't make it any plainer than that, either
If it is not accepted, it is rejected.
Accepting is not a work as you claim, nor does it nullify God's grace.
If God's gift is not accepted and therefore rejected, to say such a
person passes into the second death is not egregious error, either.
Death is set forth as the wages of sin from the beginning to the end of Scripture!
Thank God Jesus paid the price for those who would believe.
I can't make it any plainer than that, either
If it is not accepted, it is rejected.
Accepting is not a work as you claim, nor does it nullify God's grace.
If God's gift is not accepted and therefore rejected, to say such a
person passes into the second death is not egregious error, either.
Death is set forth as the wages of sin from the beginning to the end of Scripture!
Thank God Jesus paid the price for those who would believe.
Accepting a gift does not contradict the fact that a gift is a gift.
I can't make it any plainer than that, either
If it is not accepted, it is rejected.
Accepting is not a work as you claim nor does it nullify God's grace.
If God's gift is not accepted and therefore rejected, to say such a
person passes into the second death is not egregious error, either
Death is set forth as the wages of sin from the beginning to the end of Scripture!
Thank God Jesus paid the price for hose who would believe.
I can't make it any plainer than that, either
If it is not accepted, it is rejected.
Accepting is not a work as you claim nor does it nullify God's grace.
If God's gift is not accepted and therefore rejected, to say such a
person passes into the second death is not egregious error, either
Death is set forth as the wages of sin from the beginning to the end of Scripture!
Thank God Jesus paid the price for hose who would believe.
in human terms, but not so with God.
Jesus makes believe those He paid the price for, otherwise, He wouldn't be the Saviour..
[Gal 5:22 KJV] 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
So in your view neither faith nor belief are required.
And if a person exercises them they are nullifying God's grace.
That flies in the face of Scriptural truth.
God's grace is meant to move us to exercise faith and belief!
Hebrews 11:6
And if a person exercises them they are nullifying God's grace.
That flies in the face of Scriptural truth.
God's grace is meant to move us to exercise faith and belief!
Hebrews 11:6
ours doesn't because there is no righteousness in it.
So in your view neither faith nor belief are required.
And if a person exercises them they are nullifying God's grace.
That flies in the face of Scriptural truth.
God's grace is meant to move us to exercise faith and belief!
Hebrews 11:6
And if a person exercises them they are nullifying God's grace.
That flies in the face of Scriptural truth.
God's grace is meant to move us to exercise faith and belief!
Hebrews 11:6