If "Soul Sleep" Is Correct Doctrine?

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TMS

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NilsForChrist said:
If soul sleep is true, Christ lied to the criminal who died next to him.
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Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

This has been discussed many times.

Jesus did not go to paradise that day (Friday), Jesus said either.... that day the criminal would be with Jesus in paradise. Which we know did not happen.
Or...
Jesus was telling the crominal that day,,, that he would be (in the future) with Him in paradise.

Change the comma,,,,,,

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
 
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TMS said:
Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

This has been discussed many times.

Jesus did not go to paradise that day (Friday), Jesus said either.... that day the criminal would be with Jesus in paradise. Which we know did not happen.
Or...
Jesus was telling the crominal that day,,, that he would be (in the future) with Him in paradise.

Change the comma,,,,,,

Luk 23:43 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee Today, shalt thou be with me in paradise.
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I'm quite familiar with this argument. But I don't see it as true. Why would he say "I tell you today/this day"?
 
soberxp

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When I was in high school, I was so upset about something and I had to escape from the reality. I stayed in the Internet bar for a long time. I used games to escape from the reality and didn't sleep a lot for more than a month. I suppose anyone else would have died by now? I've seen similar news about someone who died in an Internet cafe after indulging in video games.

I went straight home and slept for three days and three nights.......I didn't dream. I woke up feeling that I had been in a dark place.I suppose I might have died once before?

It's death while asleep
 
Webers.Home

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NilsForChrist said:
Why would he say "I tell you today/this day"?
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Maybe it's a figure of speech for something like this:

"Jesus answered him, "Mark my words: you will be with me in paradise."

The Jehovah's Witnesses believe human life is entirely physical, so that when
Jesus died, he ceased to exist. That being their official position; they cannot
allow for him to be in paradise the very day of his crucifixion because that
would indicate he passed thru death as a sentient being-- the other guy too.

They also believe Jesus' crucified dead body is still dead and its remains are
squirreled away on Earth somewhere in a location, and a condition, known
only to God. In other words: their Jesus no longer exists: he's gone; poof!
And the Jesus that folks saw after his resurrection was an angel disguised in
something similar to one of James Cameron's genetically engineered
organisms, viz: an Avatar.
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Mem

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NilsForChrist said:
I'm quite familiar with this argument. But I don't see it as true. Why would he say "I tell you today/this day"?
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It strikes me as Jesus alluding to 'this day' as the thief's day of salvation, per Psalm 85-7-8 and Hebrews 3:15 "Today, if you hear His voice, (and) do not harden your hearts..."
 
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BigRIJoe said:
What did Jesus mean when He said to the thief on the cross" Today you will be with Me in Paradise?
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Jesus said " today you will be WITH ME" to the thief on the cross.
 
Yahshua

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NilsForChrist said:
I'm quite familiar with this argument. But I don't see it as true. Why would he say "I tell you today/this day"?
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It's a figure of speech to show strong emphasis.

Joshua 24:15
And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD

^It's not a statement of choosing who Israel will particularly serve from one day to the next but is a command for them to state emphatically who Israel will serve.


Genesis 31:48
And Laban said, This heap is a witness between me and thee this day. Therefore was the name of it called Galeed;

^A covenant was made between Laban and Jacob, where Laban established a witness emphatically.

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One's word is their bond.
 
Webers.Home

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Yahshua said:
And Laban said, This heap is a witness between me and thee this day.
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So Jesus established crucifixion day as a memorial of the promise he made
to the malefactor?

I seriously doubt it because Jesus memorialized that day with the Lord's Supper,
i.e. "this do in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19-20 and 1Cor 11:23-26)

* Beware of sophistry; defined by Webster's as subtly deceptive reasoning or
argumentation. (cf. Eph 4:14)
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Yahshua

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Webers.Home said:
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So Jesus established crucifixion day as a memorial of the promise he made
to the malefactor?

I seriously doubt it because Jesus memorialized that day with the Lord's Supper,
i.e. "this do in remembrance of me" (Luke 22:19-20 and 1Cor 11:23-26)

* Beware of sophistry; defined by Webster's as subtly deceptive reasoning or
argumentation. (cf. Eph 4:14)
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Beware of strawmen arguments too.
 
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