Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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Runningman said:
Unlikely. God doesn’t have a God. The Bible has translation issues
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So you need the runningmans dictionary and the runningmans interpretation to get it right huh we all have to go to you you reckon?

God used his Word to create everything, The Word is God, And its actually Gods word Christians believe to be saved, Your trust in his promises, You could call it faith
 
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Runningman said:
I prayed and asked God if I could see Jesus one day. Kinda forgot all about it, but in the morning I saw something moving next to my bed, like a cloud or something like mist. I was just looking at it when suddenly a man’s face appeared in it. He just looked at me. Seemed to have a normal demeanor; not sad, or happy, or angry. Just looked in my eyes. He had a certain sincerity about him though. Didn’t say anything and in a flash he was gone.
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Houston we have a problem.....I don't see anyway you can claim that was Jesus.... how is that even beneficial, doesn't sound like this


Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

There might be some experts in this field here that could give a better answer
 
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Runningman said:
Read the next verse. It says the Son has a God.

Hebrews 1
9You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness;
therefore God, your God, has set you above your companions
by anointing you with the oil of joy.”
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Not sure what point you are trying to make, but it is clear that the Father calling the Son Jesus "God" and vice versa.

Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Psa 45:6
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
 
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ThewindBlows said:
Houston we have a problem.....I don't see anyway you can claim that was Jesus.... how is that even beneficial, doesn't sound like this


Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

There might be some experts in this field here that could give a better answer
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I claim that I saw Jesus though. It really bolstered my faith a lot and this story normally helps others know God does answer prayers. In the Bible, Jesus ascended to heaven in a cloud and it’s said he would return the same way.

I get it. You think I’m a heretic so why on earth would God bless me so amazingly. Well, maybe you should pause and consider what I’ve shown you so far.

Acts 1
9After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them. 11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
 
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Cameron143 said:
Could the foreign bride be the Gentile church...which is the bride of Christ?
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I’ll think about it. Thanks for the prayers by the way. I’ve been taking bed rest because I haven’t been eating well, I guess, but I have more energy and my headache is gone.
 
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Runningman said:
I claim that I saw Jesus though.
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Though nothing in Scripture prohibits such a wonder, strictly speaking (Biblically) a Christian (think Stephen) need to be dying to actually see Jesus. Otherwise, the Church will see Jesus at the (pre-trib) rapture, and the entire world will behold Jesus at the SC.
 
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Runningman said:
I’ll think about it. Thanks for the prayers by the way. I’ve been taking bed rest because I haven’t been eating well, I guess, but I have more energy and my headache is gone.
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Don't thank me yet. You haven't gotten my bill.
Always welcome concerning prayers.
 
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Runningman said:
I claim that I saw Jesus though. It really bolstered my faith a lot and this story normally helps others know God does answer prayers. In the Bible, Jesus ascended to heaven in a cloud and it’s said he would return the same way.

I get it. You think I’m a heretic so why on earth would God bless me so amazingly. Well, maybe you should pause and consider what I’ve shown you so far.
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Let God be true and every man a liar

Your testimony of Jesus isn't the same as Gods i read in the bible, and i don't think it did bolster your faith it seams like it damaged it, you just told me you think the scripture has errors, So you cant be confident of anything you read

If i thought you where I would tell you, I think you are confused and have problems thats why i talk to you to see if we can iron some out, but you live up to your name and put a wall up and run away from the big points
 
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Cameron143 said:
Could the foreign bride be the Gentile church...which is the bride of Christ?
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Nothing there about the Bride bro. Zero. I have no idea where RM conjured up that notion.

Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Psa 45:6
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
 
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cv5 said:
Nothing there about the Bride bro. Zero. I have no idea where RM conjured up that notion.

Heb 1:8
But to the Son He says:

“Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Psa 45:6
Your throne, O God, is forever and ever;
A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom.

Psa 45:7
You love righteousness and hate wickedness;
Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You
With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.
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He is referring to the rest of Psalm 45.
 
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cv5 said:
OK understood. And yes.....very likely the case.
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I perused it quickly and I wasn't sure. That's why I put it in question form. But questions are a good way to open up people in their own assumptions. Conclusions we draw from questions are easier to accept than those that are simple given from others. Just human nature.
 
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Runningman said:
It’s not a twist or turn so I am literally exerting little, if any, effort here. Just showing what the Bible says. Jesus said those who have not seen and believe are the blessed ones, so that wouldn’t be Thomas being praised for his answer.
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You still do not get it

Jesus said blessed are those who do not see. And believe

Believe what?

What Thomas said. My Lord and My god

You sit there anf claim you show what the Bible says. But you plainly ignore what the Bible said and twist it.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
You still do not get it

Jesus said blessed are those who do not see. And believe

Believe what?

What Thomas said. My Lord and My god

You sit there anf claim you show what the Bible says. But you plainly ignore what the Bible said and twist it.
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blinded by s d a propaganda...
 
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My cousin used to speak of a Marine buddy that lived a few states away. He called me one day to come to his house, his friend had come to visit. We talked and he stated that he had come to know God directly, without going through or needing Jesus. I listened and told him that was unbiblical. He asked a few questions and I told him I would answer with Scripture in a few days. He came to my house and rejected my answers. His life ended tragically shortly thereafter.

Anyone that feels they can approach God the Father, without an encounter with Jesus, is lost as a goose.
 
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Runningman said:
I know that’s what you say, my point is that isn’t what the divinely inspired holy writ scripture word of God New Testament says. It says “the glory of God the Father.”

Are you giving all of the glory to God the Father specifically? And if you aren’t can you show me where the Son of God gets glory too, preferably post-crucifixion.
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@The_Watchers_2017 when you're free, please let me know if you find anything about Jesus getting glory post-crucifixion. All I can find are things about Jesus being glorified via the crucifixion and resurrection, but the glory for that happening going to Jesus' Father. After that, all I see are things about God the Father getting glory.
 
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@The_Watchers_2017 when you're free, please let me know if you find anything about Jesus getting glory post-crucifixion. All I can find are things about Jesus being glorified via the crucifixion and resurrection, but the glory for that happening going to Jesus' Father. After that, all I see are things about God the Father getting glory.
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Jesus is the brightness of Gods Glory

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
 
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Jesus is the brightness of Gods Glory

Hebrews 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high
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That doesn't answer my post, but thank you for sharing. Jesus is the brightness of God's glory.
 
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