Nobody is doing that. Nobody says to their child "know what, I think you should be gay"
Christians response to gay marriage?
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I completely get what you're saying but what about a kid who's dealing with gender dysphoria. And is afraid to talk to his or her parents about it
The guidance counselor could call the parents to say hey let's get together and sit down and talk about this
You never know, it may actually stop a teenager from committing suicide if he or she just has someone to talk to
Gender dysphoria is a real neurological condition in which a person feels as if he or she is the opposite gender
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Yes because it is a life changing decision, and at that age you are very vulnerable. I never thought I would marry, ever. And as time passed it seemed less likely. As you probably know I was in my 40s before I first dated and met my husband, I've mentioned it here before. So your life can change very quickly, you can think, especially as a teen, this is who you will be for life. You are too young to make that decision, especially without parents. I agree with you.
Did I see a guy all in black with a baseball bat running security at this gig?
"Know what, I think you should be gay."
As a voting block, liberal democrats base their decisions on emotions rather than reason or logic. That’s indisputable.
And a poor choice at that.That is their choice.
Just my opinion but I feel like both sides are prone irrelevant emotional rhetoric. That's why I'm a centrist
Amen brother!!! Very well put!The meme I provided was to show you it is a trap and a shaming guilt trip that most LGBTQ would call you out on for doing the same thing by saying Homosexuality is a sin. I think someone said earlier about good parents raising kids who became gay.
Now a false narrative has been placed by the world of what they think to be morally superior over you if you do not go to your gay child's wedding. " Oh unloving," "God is love," "that's not being Christian."
The first thing brothers and sisters, I like to say is :
1. the devil is a liar.
2. There is NOW no Condemnation to you who are in Christ Jesus, so a worldly response to what GOD said HE would not bless has no authority over your choice as a Christian to go or not go to your child's gay wedding.
The choice is yours. I am a minister of the Gospel. Therefore, I will not go or perform a ceremony for a gay wedding as I have been asked to do for family members. My mother was very upset. That to shall pass.
What is the truth?
The Truth is that sin is never satisfied and will drag you down into deeper sin, as all sexual sin does.
Human reasoning will say,;
But those who are gay have that now, don't they?
- " There is nothing wrong with two consenting adults choosing to be in a relationship of the same sex.
- "what they do in their own home and bedroom is none of my business.
Then why must it be taught in schools, create laws to punish parents who teach it is wrong, and now require transgender for children 8 years of age? That doesn't sound like two consenting adults, does it?
Now they want puberty blockers, genital removal, and access to things that were created for Biological women.
The new term is now Binary and Non-binary in context to male and female genders.
Is that true? I guess we have had 0% inflation when it was 8% and did not go to 9% = 0% inflation for the month.
The word of God says, " woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
We are about to enter into very serious persecution in the United States, and the reason why it will happen is for the following reasons IMHO:
- disobedience
- We have forgotten God's days without the number
- lawlessness fills the earth, and violence is on the land
- as the family goes, so goes the church
- we have the form of godliness but deny the power thereof
- the spirit of the antichrist is taking the forefront
- Biblical illiteracy, no prayer life
- lack of faith, unrepented
What can we do?
There is pleasure in sin, but it will not last.
heb 11:25
25 Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
I have Good news
Rom 8:37-39
37 Yet (all these problems) in all these things, we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
1. Nothing the devil or the world throws at you can separate you from the Love of God. NOT going to your child's gay wedding will not separate you from God's love no more than going. BUT speak the truth in love it will not stand, it will not work it will not bring peace, and it will not bring Joy
Jesus said you shall receive POWER to be a Witness of HIM and His resurrection.
The power of God is the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
As Paul said, " I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for it is the POWER OF GOD unto Salvation.
Jesus said on that day and time in Matthew chapter 24
And Jesus answered and said, " Take heed that no man deceive you"
For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8All these are the beginning of sorrows.
In Luke 12, Jesus said :
4 And I say unto you my friends, Be not afraid of them that kill the body, and after that have no more that they can do.
5 But I will forewarn you whom ye shall fear: Fear him, which after he hath killed hath power to cast into hell; yea, I say unto you, Fear him.
11 “Now when they bring you to the synagogues and magistrates and authorities, do not worry about how or what you should answer, or what you should say. 12 For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say.”
Luke 21, Jesus said :
10 Then He said to them, “Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 And there will be great earthquakes in various places, and famines and pestilences; and there will be fearful sights and great signs from heaven.
12 But before all these things, they will lay their hands on you and persecute you,
delivering you up to the synagogues and prisons.
You will be brought before kings and rulers for My name’s sake.
13 But it will turn out for you as an occasion for testimony.
14 Therefore settle it in your hearts not to meditate beforehand on what you will answer; 15 for I will give you a mouth and wisdom which all your adversaries will not be able to contradict or resist.
16 You will be betrayed even by parents and brothers, relatives and friends; and they will put some of you to death.
17 And you will be hated by all for My name’s sake. 18 But not a hair of your head shall be lost. 19 By your patience possess your souls.
We have not been given a spirit of fear but one of Power, Love, and a healthy mind.
Now is the time to great your family together, repent as family, and pray as one and call on the name of the Lord and hold on to His unfailing word and love.
Is murder moral , car jacking, rape, stealing, domestic abuse , perjury, . etc
You are an excuse maker and will never be anything more.
Christians are bad so I don't follow God because people are mean.
It's all good. I wonder how well that excuse will hold up when you stand before God and give account on Judgment Day?
Nope. I'm saying that THE BIBLE defines marriage - PERIOD.
Is that FACT discriminatory - ABSOLUTELY!!!! Here's a worse one: Without FAITH in Christ for salvation, you'll burn in hell.
Go complain to God about that if you don't like it. Let us know how that goes for you.
Well if we're going to have a conversation you need to start by toning down the condescension.
Reason I'm interested because when there are two extreme views, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle
Well I said this before but I'll say it again. LGBT people are tax paying citizens and their tax dollars pay to maintain the courthouse so they should be entitled to the same privileges as any other tax paying citizen
You know who doesn't pay taxes? Churches
So religion doesn't pay a dime in taxes but still wants to influence lawmaking.
They also don't have to show their books to the IRS to prove they are nonprofit, so they get all these special privileges but have a poopy fit if Bob and Steve want to get married
You know who doesn't pay taxes? Churches
So religion doesn't pay a dime in taxes but still wants to influence lawmaking.
They also don't have to show their books to the IRS to prove they are nonprofit, so they get all these special privileges but have a poopy fit if Bob and Steve want to get married
My opinion, so you and i can have a small amount of understanding. Churches should pay taxes, as any other business. Most all laws in the USA are based on some moral ground most were based on 'Providence" . Yes i want secular laws based on Biblical understanding... I also know Biblical understanding can go totally to nut land. Government should stay out of business and again that can go to extremes. Personally government has no business in marriage. Marriage is God's institution not governments. The Churches in the USA have way too long deferred what is theirs to the government . Shamefully the Church does not teach Biblical marriage. Should anyone want a contract between parties about personal property ( homes cars cats dogs belongings Stuff that is gathered amongst persons) fine, but marriage belongs to God. One can call a dog a cat all they want it does not change the fact the dog is a dog not a cat . The church needs to step up and support Biblical marriage never mind what the world is doing. We should be teaching the Bible is the Law that matters. Obey the secular laws as a good citizen should but put God and His Word first.
My writing skills are not the best i hope i having given you the idea of my thoughts.
Churches are under no obligation to perform same-sex marriage ceremonies. That's what the courthouse is for
Opposition to same-sex marriage is a religious argument and the amendment clause to the Constitution says all laws must serve a secular purpose
Oh my point still stands. The LGBT couple who wants to get married our tax paying citizens and should be afforded the same privileges as any other tax paying citizen.
Churches don't pay a dime in taxes so if they want to start influencing lawmaking, they need to pay the price of admission like everyone else
"Opposition to same-sex marriage is a religious argument and the amendment clause to the Constitution says all laws must serve a secular purpose" where does it say that i have not read it.
seems we agree on a lot
https://www.virginialawreview.org/a... one,beliefs, therefore, are unconstitutional.
It was a supreme Court ruling on the interpretation of the amendment clause.
So another supreme Court might change it later but until that happens, it stands
Abstract
The secular purpose rule, one prong of the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, requires that government action be justified by a primary, genuine secular purpose. Government actions supported only by religious beliefs, therefore, are unconstitutional. A debate about the morality of the secular purpose rule has emerged, with the main arguments tending to view religious beliefs as either permissible or impermissible. This Note argues that rather than decide purely for or against the secular purpose rule, courts should maintain the current status quo, which is underenforcement of the rule. To justify this approach to resolving the secular purpose debate, this Note analyzes common arguments made for and against the rule, and distills each argument to its core animating political value. The arguments against the secular purpose rule are motivated by the value of political access, while arguments for the secular purpose rule are motivated by the value of political legitimacy. Underenforcement creates equilibrium between these political values. Some may worry that underenforcement will change the underlying meaning of the secular purpose rule. But a constitutional requirement can retain its full meaning and be legally binding even if underenforced. Another possible objection is that underenforcement would be tantamount to nonenforcement. To respond to that objection, this Note attempts to canalize underenforcement by marking out situations in which the secular purpose rule should be fully enforced. When, for example, underenforcement would allow discrimination against vulnerable groups, the secular purpose rule should be enforced.
The status quo is marriage ha been a man and woman for thousands of years
The secular purpose rule, one prong of the Supreme Court's interpretation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, requires that government action be justified by a primary, genuine secular purpose. Government actions supported only by religious beliefs, therefore, are unconstitutional. A debate about the morality of the secular purpose rule has emerged, with the main arguments tending to view religious beliefs as either permissible or impermissible. This Note argues that rather than decide purely for or against the secular purpose rule, courts should maintain the current status quo, which is underenforcement of the rule. To justify this approach to resolving the secular purpose debate, this Note analyzes common arguments made for and against the rule, and distills each argument to its core animating political value. The arguments against the secular purpose rule are motivated by the value of political access, while arguments for the secular purpose rule are motivated by the value of political legitimacy. Underenforcement creates equilibrium between these political values. Some may worry that underenforcement will change the underlying meaning of the secular purpose rule. But a constitutional requirement can retain its full meaning and be legally binding even if underenforced. Another possible objection is that underenforcement would be tantamount to nonenforcement. To respond to that objection, this Note attempts to canalize underenforcement by marking out situations in which the secular purpose rule should be fully enforced. When, for example, underenforcement would allow discrimination against vulnerable groups, the secular purpose rule should be enforced.
The status quo is marriage ha been a man and woman for thousands of years