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[DavidTree]

When you’re ready to discuss the actual content of Scripture, let me know. Until then, I will assume you just want to throw insults.

i reached out to you in Truth and the Love of Christ but you continue in a argumentative mode against the words of God (Post 236).

It is quite astounding that your think your opinion more highly then the words of Christ and the Holy Spirit.

One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them.
On another day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came with them to present himself before Him.


Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind and said:
“Who is this who obscures My counsel
by words without knowledge?
Now brace yourself like a man;
I will question you, and you shall inform Me.
Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who fixed its measurements? Surely you know!
Or who stretched a measuring line across it?
On what were its foundations set,
or who laid its cornerstone,
while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


This is what the LORD says:
“Heaven is My throne,
and earth is My footstool.
What kind of house will you build for Me?
Or where will My place of repose be?
Has not My hand made all these things?
And so they came into being,”
declares the LORD.
“This is the one I will esteem:
he who is humble and contrite in spirit,
who trembles at My word."

 

[VARob]

while the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

You have FINALLY provided some actual evidence that "sons of God" in the OT is talking about angels. No humans were present when God laid the foundations of the earth (Job 38:4-7). Job 1:6 and 2:1 are pretty good, too. I agree that the phrase "sons of God" in the OT is referring to angels.

But why couldn you have done this sooner instead of avoiding the question and talking down to people? That IS how you frequently come across, you know..

 

[DavidTree]

You have FINALLY provided some actual evidence that "sons of God" in the OT is talking about angels. No humans were present when God laid the foundations of the earth (Job 38:4-7). Job 1:6 and 2:1 are pretty good, too. I agree that the phrase "sons of God" in the OT is referring to angels.

But why couldn you have done this sooner instead of avoiding the question and talking down to people? That IS how you frequently come across, you know..

My apologies.
I did bring this up way earlier as did others.

i approach scripture as the LORD instructed us = not adding or taking away = believing every word spoken by God.

When we carefully examine God's usage of the term "sons of God" it is clear and evident from OT to NT that these are angels and that we who belong to Christ will be "like angels and are sons of God."

The most profound application of "sons of God" being angels and/or supernatural Beings is in the very words of Christ.

"Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and the women are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore,
for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

Please see Post 232 for more scripture references.


Actually, we shall be even more glorious then angels = 1 John 3:1-3

 

[VARob]

My apologies.
I did bring this up way earlier as did others.

i approach scripture as the LORD instructed us = not adding or taking away = believing every word spoken by God.

When we carefully examine God's usage of the term "sons of God" it is clear and evident from OT to NT that these are angels and that we who belong to Christ will be "like angels and are sons of God."

The most profound application of "sons of God" being angels and/or supernatural Beings is in the very words of Christ.

"Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and the women are given in marriage, but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore,
for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."

Please see Post 232 for more scripture references.


Actually, we shall be even more glorious then angels = 1 John 3:1-3

Jesus did not say we will be angels. We will be like angels in terms of procreation. We will not marry. In the OT, the phrase "sons of God" usually does refer to angels. In the NT, it refers to humans.

 

[DavidTree]

You have FINALLY provided some actual evidence that "sons of God" in the OT is talking about angels. No humans were present when God laid the foundations of the earth (Job 38:4-7). Job 1:6 and 2:1 are pretty good, too. I agree that the phrase "sons of God" in the OT is referring to angels.

But why couldn you have done this sooner instead of avoiding the question and talking down to people? That IS how you frequently come across, you know..

After you review Post 243 and 232 you can ask this question: Since Jesus said angels neither marry nor are given in marriage, How did they procreate with "the daughters of men"?

 

[DavidTree]

Jesus did not say we will be angels. We will be like angels in terms of procreation. We will not marry. In the OT, the phrase "sons of God" usually does refer to angels. In the NT, it refers to humans.

In the NT it does not refer to humans but only to those who have been Born-Again.

"Jesus said to them, “The sons of this age marry and the women are given in marriage,
but those who are considered worthy to attain to that age and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; for they cannot even die anymore,
for they are like angels, and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection."


Please look over, carefully, the scripture references in Post 232

Thank You

 

[DavidTree]

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Genesis 6:1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Genesis 5: 4And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he(Adam) begat sons and daughters: 5And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.


The Bible says to
"compare scripture with scripture" correct?
So if Adam was a "son of God" and he was around for "930 years" "begatting" sons and daughters (multiplying) wouldn't you say that Adam was around "when men BEGAN to multiply" ? So if he was around when they "began to multiply" (since he was one of those multiplying) then he would have had to be one of these "sons of God" since it says "THE sons of God saw the daughters"
and took the wives etc. So Adam would have had to be part of this bunch. Was Adam a fallen angel too? Of course not. Does it say "the sons of God, excluding Adam. took the wives...?

NOTICE in your Post what God's word says = Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Only "Adam was the son of God" = only one single person = Adam

Notice God did not say sons of God.

All the descendants of Adam were sons of Adam and their daughters were "daughters of men."

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

The most IMPORTANT portion of this Verse is [[((WHEN ""DIVINE BEINGS "" cohabited with ""HUMAN WOMEN.))]]""

THIS Verse shows us 2 types of BEINGS.

1. DIVINE Beings
2. HUMAN Beings

This Verse also explains that DIVINE BEINGS [[((are NOT))]] HUMAN Beings and that HUMAN Beings [[((are NOT))]] DIVINE Beings.

Also, the Hebrew Language explains that DIVINE BEINGS [[((Are))]] Angels!!

The Holy Word of God is easy to understand when we stop reading the UNGODLY Textus Receptus KJV!

 

[John146]

You have FINALLY provided some actual evidence that "sons of God" in the OT is talking about angels. No humans were present when God laid the foundations of the earth (Job 38:4-7). Job 1:6 and 2:1 are pretty good, too. I agree that the phrase "sons of God" in the OT is referring to angels.

But why couldn you have done this sooner instead of avoiding the question and talking down to people? That IS how you frequently come across, you know..

This passage has been posted several times on this thread.

 

[VARob]

After you review Post 243 and 232 you can ask this question: Since Jesus said angels neither marry nor are given in marriage, How did they procreate with "the daughters of men"?

The Bible is not clear on that. However they did it, the result was the nephilim. The angels that did it were imprisoned in Tartarus.

 

[VARob]

In the NT it does not refer to humans but only to those who have been Born-Again.

Angels do not become born again, humans do. Born again humans (Christians) are sons of God now (1 John 3:1-2).

We aren't angels.

 

[DavidTree]

The Bible is not clear on that. However they did it, the result was the nephilim. The angels that did it were imprisoned in Tartarus.

"And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day;"

The Scripture informs us that angels are a Higher Order then flesh/humans and have the ability to take form in this realm.

The Scripture does not give the exact detail of how the angels transform from spirit to flesh.
Neither does God have to inform us of this, but only for us to believe His word.

There are many examples in scripture = How did God split the Red Sea and make the water stand up as a wall on each side while Israel walked on dry ground?
How did God make the sun and moon stand still?
How does God raise the dead?
What are angels made of?
What is Spirit made of?

 

[DavidTree]

Angels do not become born again, humans do. Born again humans (Christians) are sons of God now (1 John 3:1-2).

We aren't angels.

We are not Born Again humans = "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."

We have been Born Again only in our spirit/soul but not in our flesh.

It is of the utmost importance that we read carefully the Scripture.

Read again Luke 20:30-38 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Romans 8:18-25 and 1 Cor ch15

 

[VARob]

We are not Born Again humans = "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."

Of course we are.

We have been Born Again only in our spirit/soul but not in our flesh.

We do not have our resurrected bodies yet, but we are born again NOW. NOW are we the sons of God.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This has not happened yet:
Phil 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

It is of the utmost importance that we read carefully the Scripture.

Read again Luke 20:30-38 , 1 John 3:1-3 , Romans 8:18-25 and 1 Cor ch15

Yes it is..

 

[DavidTree]

Of course we are.


We do not have our resurrected bodies yet, but we are born again NOW. NOW are we the sons of God.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

This has not happened yet:
Phil 3:21 Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.


Yes it is..

Brother we are agreeing on the same Word of Truth!!!

a.) "Now we are the sons of God" = 1 John 3:1-2

b.) ONLY in our spirit/soul = "it has not yet been revealed what we shall be," = 1 John 3:3

c.) the human flesh is NOT Born-Again = "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" = 1 Cor 15:50

WHAT does our born-again spirits/souls currently/now waiting for??? = the RESURRECTION

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

IMPORTANT : These are the words of God = there is no ground for argument.............

This is where some(does not matter if it is many) feel that i come across as 'holier then thou'.
Whenever we stand firm on God's words = we will be despised, falsley accused and even hated by our own brethren.


Wake UP to Righteousness and Sanctification = God placed a Angel with a flaming sword = there is no going back to Eden for our flesh.


"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing" - Romans 7:18 = Born-Again Apostle Paul

Can you SEE this = separation of our human flesh from our spirit/soul???

 

[VARob]

Brother we are agreeing on the same Word of Truth!!!

a.) "Now we are the sons of God" = 1 John 3:1-2

Yep.

b.) ONLY in our spirit/soul = "it has not yet been revealed what we shall be," = 1 John 3:3

c.) the human flesh is NOT Born-Again = "flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" = 1 Cor 15:50

We, as human beings, are born again now.

WHAT does our born-again spirits/souls currently/now waiting for??? = the RESURRECTION

We, as human beings, are waiting for the rapture. That is the time we will receive our new bodies.

Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Exactly. We're born again now, we will receive our new bodies at the rapture.

IMPORTANT : These are the words of God = there is no ground for argument.............

There is grounds for discussion about what the words of God mean.

This is where some(does not matter if it is many) feel that i come across as 'holier then thou'.

It's more than a feeling, David.

Whenever we stand firm on God's words = we will be despised, falsley accused and even hated by our own brethren.

It happens at times. There will be differences until Christ returns.

Wake UP to Righteousness and Sanctification = God placed a Angel with a flaming sword = there is no going back to Eden for our flesh.

Who said anything about that?

"For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing" - Romans 7:18

Paul wasn't talking about our physical bodies, but about our sin nature, the minding of the flesh.

 

[DavidTree]

Born Again Apostle Paul certainly did say this about our physical bodies = 1 Cor chapter 15

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."

Trying to attach a condemned-to-death, flesh human body, to being presently Born-Again is completely contrary to God's Word of Truth.

Why argue against the Word?

Peace to all who hold fast to: Matt 4:4 "It is written" and Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[DavidTree]

Yep.


We, as human beings, are born again now.


We, as human beings, are waiting for the rapture. That is the time we will receive our new bodies.


Exactly. We're born again now, we will receive our new bodies at the rapture.


There is grounds for discussion about what the words of God mean.


It's more than a feeling, David.


It happens at times. There will be differences until Christ returns.


Who said anything about that?


Paul wasn't talking about our physical bodies, but about our sin nature, the minding of the flesh.

Born Again Apostle Paul certainly did say this about our physical bodies = 1 Cor chapter 15

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."

Trying to attach a condemned-to-death, flesh human body, to being presently Born-Again is completely contrary to God's Word of Truth.

Why argue against the Word?

Peace to all who hold fast to: Matt 4:4 "It is written" and Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[soberxp]

We will Born-Again.
But now we made new in Christ.
As we still grow up in womb.

 

[VARob]

Born Again Apostle Paul certainly did say this about our physical bodies = 1 Cor chapter 15

"Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption."

That's right. We're born again now, sons of God now, but when Christ returns, our physical bodies will be changed. We will become immortal.

Trying to attach a condemned-to-death, flesh human body, to being presently Born-Again is completely contrary to God's Word of Truth.

In your first sentence in this post you said "Born Again Apostle Paul." Was Paul born again when he wrote those words? He was...

Why argue against the Word?

Arguing against your understanding of the Word is not arguing against the Word.

Peace to all who hold fast to: Matt 4:4 "It is written" and Proverbs 30:5-6

Amen!