The main reason there can never be true unity between Catholics and Christians

[kaylagrl]

I am not sure who you mean. Perhaps Dcon?

No, I will have to look though those I'm following to see if his name is still there. Too many names alike here so I'd have to look it up. I respected him as a man of God, even though we disagreed OSAS. Most people here I can agree on some things, disagree on others and still we can get along. I wish it was the same with all at CC, but it isn't.

 

[kaylagrl]

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(He glances at his profile picture and contemplates changing it)

Hahaha sorry!! I didn't think about you! Nah, I just don't think these types of threads do any good. I guess some of the Catholics here at CC can tell us if this thread changes their POV. But I highly doubt it. But hey, carry on, one pony don't stop no show.

 

[kaylagrl]

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(He glances at his profile picture and contemplates changing it)

Oh, and don't change your pic, the bear is cute, and I won't know who you are if you do. lol

 

[Live4Him3]

Oh, and don't change your pic, the bear is cute, and I won't know who you are if you do. lol

Hey, somebody finally admitted that the bear is cute.

Don't mind me.

Just poking around while on break at work...

 

[Magenta]

Nope, I'm pointing out that RA has several threads that attack people's beliefs and I don't see how that changes anyone's heart.

But you do point out people's error, when you believe others to be in error.

Not every single time of course. But you do.

In fact, you think the OP is in error in doing what he does.

Do you think pointing out what you believe to be his error will change him?

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

Catholic Christians believe the Eucharist is the True Body and Blood of Christ because we believe the Lord Jesus Himself (in Jn 6) said so, the Apostle Paul taught this (in 1 Cor 5, 10 and 11 especially) and the Early Church believed it. I'm just gonna quote John 6 below.

John 6, KJV:

"48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever."

God Bless.

 

[kaylagrl]

Hey, somebody finally admitted that the bear is cute.

Don't mind me.

Just poking around while on break at work...

Bears are cute, till they aren't. I keep a healthy distance just in case. lol

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

And here's what the Early Church believed about the Eucharist:

"St. Justin the Martyr (c. 100 - 165 A.D.)
We call this food Eucharist; and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [Baptism], and is thereby living as Christ has enjoined.

For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by Him, AND BY THE CHANGE OF WHICH our blood and flesh is nourished, IS BOTH THE FLESH AND THE BLOOD OF THAT INCARNATED JESUS. (First Apology, 66)

Moreover, as I said before, concerning the sacrifices which you at that time offered, God speaks through Malachi [1:10-12]…It is of the SACRIFICES OFFERED TO HIM IN EVERY PLACE BY US, the Gentiles, that is, OF THE BREAD OF THE EUCHARIST AND LIKEWISE OF THE CUP OF THE EUCHARIST, that He speaks at that time; and He says that we glorify His name, while you profane it. (Dialogue with Trypho, 41)"

Taken from: http://therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/fathers.htm

The verse Justin Martyr quotes is Mal 1:11, where God Almighty says:

Mal 1:

"11 My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations,” says the Lord Almighty."

 

[kaylagrl]

But you do point out people's error, when you believe others to be in error.

Not every single time of course. But you do.

In fact, you think the OP is in error in doing what he does.

Do you think pointing out what you believe to be his error will change him?

Umm I do, I don't tell them they're demonic, and I don't start threads calling out denominations. As to your last line, good point.

 

[GardenofWeeden]

It's called the Eucharist and transubstantiation. If the Jesus a Catholic trusts in is the Jesus who Catholic clerics all over the world claim to manifest in a piece of bread, they don't know the true Jesus; that is, the Jesus who was sacrificed once for all. How can there be fellowship between a false Jesus and the true One? There can no more be true unity than there can be between a Christian and Muslim who believes Jesus isn't the Son of God. One Jesus is true, the other false.

Catholics are even contradicted by their own supposed leader, Peter: "For Christ also suffered once to atone for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring you to God, being put to death in the flesh, but made alive by the Spirit,"—1 Peter 3:18

And Hebrews 10:12 says: "But He Himself, having offered one sacrifice for sins forever, He sat down at the right hand of God,"

This is a good video on the subject (21 min.)

So you started a whole thread to bash someone's beliefs? Hmm okay next.

 

[kaylagrl]

So you started a whole thread to bash someone's beliefs? Hmm okay next.

Wellll two of us see it. Headed on to the news forum and see what's cookin' there. lol

 

[ResidentAlien]

You don't have to bash Catholicism. All you have to do is point out its false doctrines and practices and it bashes itself.

 

[JohnDB]

If the thread was simply examining and explaining the situation (which I thought it was originally ) it would be a good thread.

I've met many Catholics outside of America that so closely resemble protestant evangelicals its really difficult to tell the difference.

The main issue at heart is "ex-cathedra" (Peter's Chair) and Apostolic Succession.

From these two doctrines ALL the other theologies and doctrines flow. And even though most Catholics don't believe these two the Catholic Church is clinging to them to their doom. It is what has caused their current Pope problem and Cardinal problems.

Currently the situation is so bad I'm not sure that the Catholic Church has another century left in it....I don't even give it another 20 years to be honest.

The Christians inside of the organization though...they are going to be lost, dazed, and confused. The many evangelical denominations and organizations are much more fragile than the Catholics however.
Currently the Evangelical organizations are so eat up with politics and conspiracy theories that their doom is practically written on every door.

I don't think that God is going to put up with them for much longer...I can be wrong assuredly...but I tend to think God's patience is wearing thin.

 

[ResidentAlien]

"But why do you call Me 'Lord, Lord,' and not do the things which I say?"—Luke 6:46

 

[ResidentAlien]

This image shows a "Monstrance," a device used to hold a wafer which has supposedly been transformed into the literal body of Jesus. This is placed on the altar and "adored" by the worshippers.

Notice the clear sun symbolism in this. Also notice the cross at the top of the Monstrance: It's not a Christian cross but has four equal sides—a sun symbol.

I'm not saying every Catholic who participates in this is aware of the true meaning behind what they're doing. But when they find out they shouldn't walk, but run the other way.

 

[XavierJesusLovesIndia]

If the thread was simply examining and explaining the situation (which I thought it was originally ) it would be a good thread.

I've met many Catholics outside of America that so closely resemble protestant evangelicals its really difficult to tell the difference

Taken from: https://thenewamerican.com/poland-officially-recognizes-jesus-christ-as-king/

See also: https://www.christiantoday.com/arti...y-been-declared-the-king-of-poland/101673.htm

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In the presence of Polish President Andrzej Duda and other top officials from both church and state, Jesus Christ was officially recognized as the King of Poland in a Catholic ceremony. Declared to be Poland’s Lord and Savior, the Messiah was asked to rule over the Polish nation, its people, and its government. The ceremony was held last month at the Church of Divine Mercy in Krakow and then repeated at churches across Poland, marking the 1050th anniversary of the nation’s Christianity. The congregation also renounced the devil and all his evil works.

Of course, as more than a few church leaders pointed out, the ceremony did not actually “make” Christ the King of Poland. That is because, in the Christian worldview, Jesus Christ is already King of kings, as well as King over all His creation. So, instead of actually “making” Jesus the King, the Polish ceremony enthroning Christ recognized that sovereignty, with the formalities being described by officials and celebrants as a sign of the willing submission of Poland and its people to the rule of Christ. The ceremony was also not intended to, and could not, add to Jesus’ honor or power, religious leaders cautioned. Throughout the mass, though, Christ was asked to rule over every aspect of Polish life."

 

[HeIsHere]

You don't have to bash Catholicism. All you have to do is point out its false doctrines and practices and it bashes itself.

Considering most people in this discussion forum do not seem to be RC what is your point?

I think one should separate out the institution/dogma from the adherents and what each one believes because I am quite sure there is a lot of variation.

If you have this attitude towards their beliefs it will be apparent and as @kaylagrl pointed out they will dismiss you and that is the sad thing about it.
Common ground is always the place to start.

 

[ResidentAlien]

Considering most people in this discussion forum do not seem to be RC what is your point?

There are a lot more than you think. Besides Catholics, there are a growing number of people who have becoming sympathetic to Catholicism and believe there can be true unity between Catholics and Christians. My answer to them is they are as deceived as the Catholics.

I think one should separate out the institution/dogma from the adherents and what each one believes because I am quite sure there is a lot of variation.

I agree. I've tried to express that I'm not out to get individual Catholics. My intention is to point out the unChristian nature of the system they're involved in. If they choose to stay, that's on them; but I pray the Lord will give them ears to hear and eyes to see.

Common ground is always the place to start.

How has common ground been working out? All it's accomplished is more false unity than ever. You can't reason with a wolf when you're on the menu for dinner, even if it is speaking softly with pockets bulging with "love."

 

[pottersclay]

I have no "friends" at CC, learned that a long time ago. Not quite sure what you mean by your last two lines. I've been at CC a long time, perhaps not as long as you have I'll admit. I see a lot of tearing down of denominations, and I don't see how that is about to change anyone's mind or "keep them from hell". RA sees a demon around every tree and if you and he are friends, great. But I don't see how attacking people's beliefs is going to change their mind, in fact it will likely make them believe more strongly their POV. I disagree 100% with OSAS and a long time ago I started a thread here against it, I hurt a really sweet lady here and I have stayed away from that ever since. We had a mutual friend here Magenta, that was banned recently, he was here for years. You know him well. He was OSAS and though we disagreed we were always careful not to tear each other down. He would gently point out things to me, and I respected him even though I didn't quite agree with his POV.

We're not going to have a back and forth here. I disagree with some things Catholics teach. There other denominations I disagree with too. But threads attacking the way people believe will not change their minds. If you don't have an issue with RA's style Magenta that's fine, I do, and I have a right to say I do. And that's all I will say about it. I don't this does anything to change a heart, and I don't feel that that is RA's intent. That's my opinion.

You have no friends.....oh now then i dont😣😣😣

 

[pottersclay]

This is why i address everyone as saints and not by denomination.
Looking at the first 12 that jesus called....well if we were to categorize them by their action and words would we even call them jews? Think not.
The only common categorizing that we all have in common is we are all sinners ....and that is the Lords assessment.
I appreciate knowing false teachings and doctrines having a knowledge of what my advasary has been up to is a plus in my ministry so ....kudos to you r.a.
But to say all Catholics beleive in them or to suggest.... that is not so good.
What i would like to know is if the catholic that are here beleive in this teaching and open up some sorta conversation.