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What arrogance.
You fixed nothing. What you did was revoke Jesus' sacrifice for the sins of the world.
Jesus' flesh and blood was the sacrifice for those sins. Among what has already been discussed and proven with scripture regarding that, Jesus also demonstrated that to be the case before his crucifixion.
When he led the last supper and handed out the bread, his body, and passed the cup of wine, his blood.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+26:17-30&version=MOUNCE
You fixed nothing. What you did was revoke Jesus' sacrifice for the sins of the world.
Jesus' flesh and blood was the sacrifice for those sins. Among what has already been discussed and proven with scripture regarding that, Jesus also demonstrated that to be the case before his crucifixion.
When he led the last supper and handed out the bread, his body, and passed the cup of wine, his blood.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=matthew+26:17-30&version=MOUNCE
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Also, we know Jesus wasn't in his same body after resurrection.
Because after Mary arrived at his tomb ready to finish preparing it for its rest after Sabbath she found it empty.
The man she saw moments later, the arisen Jesus, was not recognized by her. She thought him the gardner.
If Jesus looked the same this would not happen. John 20
Because after Mary arrived at his tomb ready to finish preparing it for its rest after Sabbath she found it empty.
The man she saw moments later, the arisen Jesus, was not recognized by her. She thought him the gardner.
If Jesus looked the same this would not happen. John 20
Are you saying Jesus was in a spiritual body? Well what did He say? "Look at [the marks in] My hands and My feet, [and see] that it is I Myself. Touch Me and see; a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see that I have.” Yet came and went and walked through walls.. we will have that same body..during that 1000y.
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Yes new bodies new spiritual bodies. Everyone "As pastor would say the good, the bad, and the ugly" that has not died will be changed in a moment in the twinkle of an eye at the last trump "the 7th" into a spiritual body "the same type body every one that has died from the creation of man on the 6th day. The only difference is weather you have a mortal "liable to die" or immortal "will live for ever" soul; Flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of God.
There is one thing that is for sure both cannot be right, or true as for me I am going to hitch my wagon to what God says in His word
There is one thing that is for sure both cannot be right, or true as for me I am going to hitch my wagon to what God says in His word
Let's take a look at John 20:
10.Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, 12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him. 14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
How is it that Mary did not know who Jesus was? If Thomas could see the nail holes in His hands and feet and the hole in His side; how is it that Mary did not see them? Why was it that when Jesus called her by name she knew who He was? Why did Jesus tell her not to touch Him because had not returned to the father?
I have ideas about the answers, but I only have my thoughts. I am open to hearing answers.
10.Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre, 12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain. 13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him. 14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. 15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. 16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master. 17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 18Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
How is it that Mary did not know who Jesus was? If Thomas could see the nail holes in His hands and feet and the hole in His side; how is it that Mary did not see them? Why was it that when Jesus called her by name she knew who He was? Why did Jesus tell her not to touch Him because had not returned to the father?
I have ideas about the answers, but I only have my thoughts. I am open to hearing answers.
Maybe the sun was in her eyes.
No seriously, there are several examples that suggest that he might have looked different at first. The two on the way to Emmaus who did not recognize him until he opened there eyes.
I think that the Greek is saying "Mary stop keep on clinging to me" Matthew shows them embracing his feet. Two Marys. He tells them to both go tell his disciples to meet him in Galilee. The first one went but the other one kept on holding his feet. Jesus has to tell her that he He is going to send the Holy Spirit (I must go to my Father) and that she is going to have a better relationship with Him as a result of that, not to keep clinging to him because she is afraid to let him get away from her again, afraid of losing Him.
I do not believe there were two ascents. When He ascended they waited in the upper room and this same Mary got filled with the Holy Spirit and from that point on Jesus was always with her in a way that He could not be before he ascended to the Father. That is what he was trying to tell her. Because she had already touched Him along with the other Mary as it says in Matthew's account. So to think that she did not touch Him can't be true because Matthew says she did. Therefore what most scholars say about the Greek meaning "don't keep on clinging to me" is what I think it means. More like "let go" than "don't touch"
Now people can be sticklers for the KJV and call me a heretic if they like but those that want to try that should Google it first because it is a long held doctrine in the church that there was only one ascension not two and Jesus was not telling Mary that he had to make a quick trip to Heaven and back before he met his Disciples.
The account in Matthew of both Marys hugging his feet makes it more clear that touching his feet had been done here.
No seriously, there are several examples that suggest that he might have looked different at first. The two on the way to Emmaus who did not recognize him until he opened there eyes.
I think that the Greek is saying "Mary stop keep on clinging to me" Matthew shows them embracing his feet. Two Marys. He tells them to both go tell his disciples to meet him in Galilee. The first one went but the other one kept on holding his feet. Jesus has to tell her that he He is going to send the Holy Spirit (I must go to my Father) and that she is going to have a better relationship with Him as a result of that, not to keep clinging to him because she is afraid to let him get away from her again, afraid of losing Him.
I do not believe there were two ascents. When He ascended they waited in the upper room and this same Mary got filled with the Holy Spirit and from that point on Jesus was always with her in a way that He could not be before he ascended to the Father. That is what he was trying to tell her. Because she had already touched Him along with the other Mary as it says in Matthew's account. So to think that she did not touch Him can't be true because Matthew says she did. Therefore what most scholars say about the Greek meaning "don't keep on clinging to me" is what I think it means. More like "let go" than "don't touch"
Now people can be sticklers for the KJV and call me a heretic if they like but those that want to try that should Google it first because it is a long held doctrine in the church that there was only one ascension not two and Jesus was not telling Mary that he had to make a quick trip to Heaven and back before he met his Disciples.
The account in Matthew of both Marys hugging his feet makes it more clear that touching his feet had been done here.
I have no idea what you said. The believers who are living a life ready for His coming will be changed in the twinkling of an eye and their current mortal flesh will be transfigured and become an immortal glorified body.
The Last Trump in this text is not the 7th trumpet in the book of Revelation. John had not seen his vision or written the book of Revelation yet. When Paul wrote this it is IMPOSSIBLE that Paul had in mind the 7th trumpet in the book of Revelation.
It violates the rules of hermeneutics to say that was the authors intended meaning.
One must look elsewhere for his intended meaning. Logic suggests that Paul was talking about prophetic references to trumpet heralding announcements in prophesy concerning the Eschaton. Paul would be thinking of OT scriptures. We should look there.
The Last Trump in this text is not the 7th trumpet in the book of Revelation. John had not seen his vision or written the book of Revelation yet. When Paul wrote this it is IMPOSSIBLE that Paul had in mind the 7th trumpet in the book of Revelation.
It violates the rules of hermeneutics to say that was the authors intended meaning.
One must look elsewhere for his intended meaning. Logic suggests that Paul was talking about prophetic references to trumpet heralding announcements in prophesy concerning the Eschaton. Paul would be thinking of OT scriptures. We should look there.
John's account (chapter 20):
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark,
unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto
them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because
they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener,
saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren,
and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark,
unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
2 Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto
them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.
3 Peter therefore went forth, and that other disciple, and came to the sepulchre.
4 So they ran both together: and the other disciple did outrun Peter, and came first to the sepulchre.
5 And he stooping down, and looking in, saw the linen clothes lying; yet went he not in.
6 Then cometh Simon Peter following him, and went into the sepulchre, and seeth the linen clothes lie,
7 And the napkin, that was about his head, not lying with the linen clothes, but wrapped together in a place by itself.
8 Then went in also that other disciple, which came first to the sepulchre, and he saw, and believed.
9 For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead.
10 Then the disciples went away again unto their own home.
11 But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12 And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13 And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because
they have taken away my Lord, and I know not where they have laid him.
14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener,
saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16 Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren,
and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and that he had spoken these things unto her.
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Matthew 28:
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the
week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended
from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold,
he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying,
All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the
city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the
week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended
from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.
3 His countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow:
4 And for fear of him the keepers did shake, and became as dead men.
5 And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold,
he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.
8 And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word.
9 And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying,
All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.
10 Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me.
11 Now when they were going, behold, some of the watch came into the
city, and shewed unto the chief priests all the things that were done.
12 And when they were assembled with the elders, and had taken counsel, they gave large money unto the soldiers,
13 Saying, Say ye, His disciples came by night, and stole him away while we slept.
14 And if this come to the governor's ears, we will persuade him, and secure you.
15 So they took the money, and did as they were taught: and this saying is commonly reported among the Jews until this day.
16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you:
and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
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Technically speaking the text does not say that Jesus walked through any walls. He didn't really need to do that. He could just show up where he wanted to. No walking there necessary. Why go through a wall when you can just transport to the spot you want.
Luke 24
And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43And he took it, and did eat before them.
John 20
19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side.
and also...
31And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
The resurrected body is both Spiritual and Other worldly and capable of many things we don't know about yet. But it is a body. Not the same kind of body. You want to define it as spirit ONLY but Jesus was clear to them that it was not just spirit only wasn't He?
Luke 24
And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 37But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit. 38And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts? 39Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have. 40And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet. 41And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat? 42And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. 43And he took it, and did eat before them.
John 20
19Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. 20And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side.
and also...
31And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
The resurrected body is both Spiritual and Other worldly and capable of many things we don't know about yet. But it is a body. Not the same kind of body. You want to define it as spirit ONLY but Jesus was clear to them that it was not just spirit only wasn't He?
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potterclay
To fully understand 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 you have to back up to verse 13 and find out what the subject is that Paul is talking about.
1 Thessalonians 4
13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Verse 13 I would not have you ignorant: People use this word wrong far to often. It dose not mean that you are stupid, dumb, etc. It means that you just do not have the needed understanding, teaching, skills etc. Here is a good example you could hand me the keys to a loaded 18 wheeler and ask me to back it up to the loading dock; I could not do it. Does that make me stupid? No. Give me the keys to my car and ask me to back it up; No problem. What does He not want them to be ignorant about? Where the dead (those that have fallen asleep) are. Why? That you sorrow not, (that you do not greave ) Even as others which have no hope. What hope don't they have? The hope of seeing there loved ones again in heaven and being able to be with them for EVER never sick, never sad, never what ever you want to put there for EVER and EVER.
Verse 14. For IF we believe that Jesus died and rose again: Notice the biggest little word in the bible: If (do you) believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead? If so all those that have died believing in Jesus will return with God. In order for them to return with God they have to be with God. They are not out there in some dark hole in the ground with rotten flesh and decaying bones. That is why we do not greave a those that have no hope. Notice Paul did not say do not greave; of course you are going to miss a loved one.
Verse 15: For this we say by the word of the Lord; who's word are we talking about here? The Lord Jesus Christ not some man's word but Gods word. That we: who is the we? All of those that believe in Jesus Christ; not just those that he is writing to but every one that will ever come after him untill Jesus returns. Shall NOT!! prevent (stop the following from happening) them that are asleep(dead, have died)
Verse 16: For the Lord Himself shall descend: He is not sending someone else. From Heaven: (That is where He is coming from Heaven. He is not coming out of a tomb, or grave) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: What trump would that be? Paul told us in 1st Corinthians 15 it is the 7th trump the last trump the furthest on out. You must not misread this last part of the verse. And the dead IN Christ shall rise first. Who are the dead in Christ? It is not His children because they are alive in Christ. The dead in Christ are those that do not know him, They are dead to Him. The chose not to follow Him; They chose instead to follow the Antichrist, Satan, the serpent . . . Again Paul told us this in 1st Corinthians 15. This makes my second reference to this I am just going to put it in here. The dead in Christ shall rise first. Of course they are going to rise first. Why? The moment you die the soul, the spirit, the intellect that you are returns to God who created. That part of you that is eternal.
Verse 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. We which are alive and remain (will be left behind and not receive our reward) In the clouds: Where are the clouds? In the sky the lower part of the atmosphere. We are going to meet the Lord in the air (The spirit: John 3 Jesus describes the spirit like the wind (air) You know when it comes and when it go but you cannot see it) and we shall forever be with the Lord.
Where is The Lord Jesus Christ going to take us. No where. We are staying right here. Where are we going to meet Jesus? On the mount of Olives "on that day" what day is that? The first day of the millennium when every knee will bow and every tung confess Jesus Christ is Lord and we shell always be with the Lord
Verse 18: Wherefore comfort one another with these words. This is who we are to comfort one another when we are grieving.
1st Corinthians 15
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
I hope this helps.
To fully understand 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 you have to back up to verse 13 and find out what the subject is that Paul is talking about.
1 Thessalonians 4
13. But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words.
Verse 13 I would not have you ignorant: People use this word wrong far to often. It dose not mean that you are stupid, dumb, etc. It means that you just do not have the needed understanding, teaching, skills etc. Here is a good example you could hand me the keys to a loaded 18 wheeler and ask me to back it up to the loading dock; I could not do it. Does that make me stupid? No. Give me the keys to my car and ask me to back it up; No problem. What does He not want them to be ignorant about? Where the dead (those that have fallen asleep) are. Why? That you sorrow not, (that you do not greave ) Even as others which have no hope. What hope don't they have? The hope of seeing there loved ones again in heaven and being able to be with them for EVER never sick, never sad, never what ever you want to put there for EVER and EVER.
Verse 14. For IF we believe that Jesus died and rose again: Notice the biggest little word in the bible: If (do you) believe that Jesus died and rose from the dead? If so all those that have died believing in Jesus will return with God. In order for them to return with God they have to be with God. They are not out there in some dark hole in the ground with rotten flesh and decaying bones. That is why we do not greave a those that have no hope. Notice Paul did not say do not greave; of course you are going to miss a loved one.
Verse 15: For this we say by the word of the Lord; who's word are we talking about here? The Lord Jesus Christ not some man's word but Gods word. That we: who is the we? All of those that believe in Jesus Christ; not just those that he is writing to but every one that will ever come after him untill Jesus returns. Shall NOT!! prevent (stop the following from happening) them that are asleep(dead, have died)
Verse 16: For the Lord Himself shall descend: He is not sending someone else. From Heaven: (That is where He is coming from Heaven. He is not coming out of a tomb, or grave) with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: What trump would that be? Paul told us in 1st Corinthians 15 it is the 7th trump the last trump the furthest on out. You must not misread this last part of the verse. And the dead IN Christ shall rise first. Who are the dead in Christ? It is not His children because they are alive in Christ. The dead in Christ are those that do not know him, They are dead to Him. The chose not to follow Him; They chose instead to follow the Antichrist, Satan, the serpent . . . Again Paul told us this in 1st Corinthians 15. This makes my second reference to this I am just going to put it in here. The dead in Christ shall rise first. Of course they are going to rise first. Why? The moment you die the soul, the spirit, the intellect that you are returns to God who created. That part of you that is eternal.
Verse 17. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. We which are alive and remain (will be left behind and not receive our reward) In the clouds: Where are the clouds? In the sky the lower part of the atmosphere. We are going to meet the Lord in the air (The spirit: John 3 Jesus describes the spirit like the wind (air) You know when it comes and when it go but you cannot see it) and we shall forever be with the Lord.
Where is The Lord Jesus Christ going to take us. No where. We are staying right here. Where are we going to meet Jesus? On the mount of Olives "on that day" what day is that? The first day of the millennium when every knee will bow and every tung confess Jesus Christ is Lord and we shell always be with the Lord
Verse 18: Wherefore comfort one another with these words. This is who we are to comfort one another when we are grieving.
1st Corinthians 15
50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
Zechariah 14:4
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
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YES, i know it was Jesus and that she mistook HIM as the gardener.
What is the Scriptural meaning of this??? = HE was resurrected with the same SINLESS Body which He Sacrificed on the Cross but without the brutal wounds from the beatings.
The only wounds that HE decided to keep where the piercings in his hands and feet and His Side.
NOW - for you to discover = Why did HE keep His Body piercings?
YES, i know it was Jesus and that she mistook HIM as the gardener.
What is the Scriptural meaning of this??? = HE was resurrected with the same SINLESS Body which He Sacrificed on the Cross but without the brutal wounds from the beatings.
The only wounds that HE decided to keep where the piercings in his hands and feet and His Side.
NOW - for you to discover = Why did HE keep His Body piercings?