Who Justifieth the Ungodly
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Everything you posted after the word “Now.” You seem to have an arrogant disdain for opposing views.
So therefore you saying apparently you dont want to discuss it. Correct ?
You don't discuss it, you proclaim Calvinism and declare opposing views wrong.
Okay, I holla at ye later when you may change your mind and decide to discuss what the thread is designed to be about.
With 1367 post to this point-it seems seems the optimism for reconciliation of thoughts has diminished
Why Faith also Justifies !
We are said to be Justified by Faith in that, not because Faith effects ones Justification, but because it is effected /generated into the ones already yet Justified by Christ's Blood Rom 5:9,19 and its the result of the Sanctifying Work and Power of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
We are said to be Justified by Faith in that, not because Faith effects ones Justification, but because it is effected /generated into the ones already yet Justified by Christ's Blood Rom 5:9,19 and its the result of the Sanctifying Work and Power of the Spirit 2 Thess 2:13
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
Nope. The Lord Jesus Christ died for all mankind:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
According to John 3:16-17, the ones who are justified are those who believe ... the whosoever believeth
It is not "impossible for Christ to have died for them".brightfame52 said:
It is possible for Christ to have died for them and they reject the most precious gift of salvation
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you can't even stay on track with the discussion:
Here is your claim - Post 1257
Believers have been Justified before God by the Faith of Christ or Faithfulness of Christ.
Here is my response to your claim - Post #1326
Not according to Scripture
Romans 4:
3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it [Abraham's faith] was counted unto him for righteousness.
4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith [the believer's faith] is counted for righteousness.
vs 3 – Abraham believed. The verse does not say what you claim.
vs 4 – the faith of the one believing is counted for righteousness.
Quit making stuff up. Just read Scripture as written.
Now you return to your dogmatic bloviation that the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ is insufficient to cover all mankind ... i.e. the whole world.
Again, I reiterate ... quit making stuff up. Just read Scripture as written.
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Faith is inherent in all mankind. Even atheists have faith. The problem atheists have is they place their faith in the lie that there is no God.
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The Lord Jesus Christ has taken care of the sin issue. However, those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness (Rom 1:18), reject the Lord Jesus Christ:
Those who reject the sacrifice of Himself (Heb 9:26) will stand before the judgment seat
Excerpt from "What is the unpardonable sin / unforgivable sin?"
The only unpardonable sin today is that of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in his rejection of Christ. The Holy Spirit is at work in the world, convicting the unsaved of sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8). If a person resists that conviction and remains unrepentant, then he is choosing hell over heaven. “Without faith it is impossible to please God” (Hebrews 11:6), and the object of faith is Jesus (Acts 16:31). There is no forgiveness for someone who dies without faith in Christ. God has provided for our salvation in His Son (John 3:16). Forgiveness is found exclusively in Jesus (John 14:6). To reject the only Savior is to be left with no means of salvation; to reject the only pardon is, obviously, unpardonable.
.Again, under your dogma if the "all men" of Rom 5:18 refers only to "all the elect", then only the "elect" were under condemnation.
Romans 5:18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men [according to brightfame52, this is only the “elect”]
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John 10:26 KJV - 26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
The Lord Jesus Christ had already said unto them. He told them Who He was:
The problem wasn’t that Jesus was unclear about who He was and where He came from. The problem was that the religious leaders rejected the Shepherd because they suppressed the truth in unrighteousness.
Romans 1:
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
In vs 18, the words "who hold" are translated from the Greek word katechó which means to suppress, hinder, restrain.
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Why don't you just believe what is written? Instead of the mental gymnastics you go through to support your erroneous dogma, just believe what God tells us ...
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it [righteousness] was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
You rip Rom 5:18 from the context within which it sits to prop up your erroneous dogma.
You forget what you read in Rom 4:20 through Rom 5:1.
Romans 4:
20 He [Abraham] staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God;
21 And being fully persuaded that, what he [God] had promised, he [God] was able also to perform.
22 And therefore it [Abraham's faith] was imputed to him for righteousness.
23 Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him;
24 But for us also, to whom it [righteousness] shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead;
25 Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
5:1 Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ
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Your continuous repetition of this erroneous dogma does not equal what is written in Scripture.
Just read and believe what is written in Scripture:
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
The key to understanding why the whole world is not saved is shown in John 3:16-17 ... that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Those who reject that which God has provided are the ones who perish ...
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Read the verse again, brightfame52:Romans 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned
Through Adam, sin entered into the world. Sin results in death.
Because all descendants of Adam sin, death passes to all ... not because anyone "sinned even before they had being or existence" as you erroneously claim.
I do not reject what is written in Romans 5.brightfame52 said:
I reject your erroneous dogma.
Your erroneous dogma rejects not only what is written in Romans 5, your dogma rejects what is written in all of Scripture.
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