Guys and Gals here is some truth

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Some of you know my history but the last 2 years have been a uprooting out of a church I considered home for 15 years to months of searching for a new church. Now we have been visiting a new church for months and I can't help but sense something in me that lacks the emotion of the church. At first I wondered if it was due to the charismatic vibe and I was missing something in the Spirit. But I feel that isn't accurate.

So I then wondered am I experiencing the dreaded feeling of apathy. After much study I concluded it can't be because I am not indifferent or have no cares in my faith.

Then I wondered was it psychological like depression or stress. There could be some truth in this as sometimes I have to fight the feeling of melancholy or low self-esteem related to a feeling that some spiritual hole isn't being filled.

But that again turns it back to spiritual and so I was left again thinking today after church. The service was on serving and being self-less but if I am honest in all the places to serve, I feel guilty or selfish for not having the emotion to fit with the joy of serving in those positions.

I admire people who can do the tedious boring tasks with joy and even excitement.

But then again we have also seen a rise in church services and programs that are increasingly based on emotional and relational factors that appeal more to women than to men.

A rising problem in the modern western church is the lack of appeal to men.

I often feel like this is what's missing for me. I looked up the men's small group and was immediately disappointed as they meet weekly at a coffee shop. Nothing wrong with a coffee shop but for a men's group I was looking for discipleship while hiking, fishing, the gun range, grilling, etc.

For goodness sake the pastor purposefully has a pianist to come up and play touchy music while he finishes his sermon.

He does the same thing with touchy testimonies when talking about tithing.

The sermon has truth but mixed in with lots of jokes and stories to make us laugh.

Don't get me wrong, I can stomach the comedy, the skinny jeans, the concert worship, the energy, and his sermons are to me so far 98% truth with differences in my personal interpretation.

I don't know but do care so it's not apathy lol. I just don't know what the problem is. I suppose time will tell.

Thoughts?

 

[Magenta]

Omg lol this is what equality looks like. I wouldn't trust a plumber in skinny jeans lol.

I'm glad you enjoyed that He's a pretty funny guy

 

[Roughsoul1991]

I'm glad you enjoyed that He's a pretty funny guy

My oldest male teen tried to wear literal pants from the girl section so skinny I was amazed he could move and then I without laughing I simply told him if I pay for your clothes then you going to at least wear clothes for boys.

 

[Edify]

Actually just healing and tongues because I have seen prophecy before and know it to be real.

Glad to hear it!

 

[Edify]

Also I enjoy the thought of emotion vs spiritual.

I'll have to think this one over because in my experience my burning bush experiences are not everyday experiences and that is what I want to know. Do these people experience God like this daily or is it just emotion.

You may have to go out to eat with them. Most tend to "let their hair down" at other places.

 

[Edify]

I’m so glad you smiled and understood my intent there 😀 just messing with ya given the subject matter lol

the thing is in the Bible church wasn’t at any certain place but church is wherever Christians gather to discuss and fellowship together and any learning of the scriptures church is the people. Both male And female

in those days they just sent from house to house and gathered everywhere they could d were told that the prophets were the ones to speak and everyone else was to listen and weigh what was said. We know also that thy re are female prophets after the day of pentocost

“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation.

Let all things be done unto edifying. Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.


Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭14:26, 29, 34‬ ‭KJV‬‬

So what of a female prophet ? Should she not speak even though she’s been annointed to prophecy ?

have you also noticed that Paul teaches this and it seems to contradict the other

Forminstance shat if a woman is baptized ?

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

does that apply to both men and women do women also get baptized and receive the spirit of Christ ? Do women have ministrations among the church ? Of course all of us do

there’s a point where we’re meant to stop identifying with our flesh and gender and start identifying with the son of God both male and female

“For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: and that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:14-17‬ ‭

i Myself believe that Paul’s doctrine matured from identifying women this way as if they are still Under the curse of eve

So His logic for the submission of women

“Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s the curse of eve it wasn’t until they both transgressed that eve was out in subjection to Adam it wasn’t so beforehand

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭

yet later Paul explains when baptized we died to the curses of sin. He still is holding all Women to account for what eve did , yet he’s saying man has been delivered from tbier curse by grace but women need to bear children and be silent in full subjection and work thier way through good behavior to salvstion.

yet later he says “ there’s no difference between male and female when you get baptized your all the same all of you
Have been clothed with Christ “

it seems to me that Paul’s doctrine grew and matured from the law still showing through to the gospel bekng fully preached

we should look at the spirit and not the flesh gender is a flesh thing the spirit is the believer new creation no
Longer under the curses of adam
And eve for transgression because thier sins have already been remitted in Christ through baptism

so why are women still held under the curse of eve me need to bear children and do all the extra submission to
Man when It was always part of the curse for sin ? But the curse has been taken away yet , she’s still
Identified in eve rather than now identified in Christ ?

Always study the text above the verses, which is usually the context. You will find that some of those scriptures are about the marriage relationship, not general church instruction for women.

 

[A-Sword-Cometh]

yeah the unfaithful chirch for sure how do you reconcile this

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

does this apply to women also ? And how does it reconcile here

“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

do women have to do extra work to be saved also and they aren’t meant to get baptized and be filled with the spirit of Gods son and start identifying as children of God no longer under the curse of adam
And eve because they died to thier sins ?

if a women is baptized and receives remission of sins , why are we holding women under the curse of Eves sin still ? Eve was only made subject to Adam after they transgressed it’s a result of sin. Of sin is remitted we’re back here because it’s about new creation not the old

“So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

after they transgressed eve is out into subjection

“Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if our sins are remitted , so is the curse for sin d man and women are back to the image of God bekng a team rather than a ruler and a subject. Look at Priscilla and Aquila a seccesfuk husband and wife team spreading the gospel and teaching people like Apollo’s the ways of the lord , joining Paul on journeys and missions in his ministry

if women are still
Under the curse So is man and our sins haven’t been remitted in Christ and we’re all doomed but if it’s all true why hold Eves transgression over women who repent and get baptized into Christ where they are a new creation and no longer held as the old creation under sin and it’s curse which for eve was painful childbearing and subjection to her husband

if a woman is equipped and called to prophecy or teach it’s the message that matters not the flesh appearance of gender.

we’ve been forgiven for sin we aren’t held to what Adam and Eve did anymore we’ve been converted from that profile state and redeemed to new creations not identified by the flesh but by the spirit of Jesus Christ

None of this will convince God to change his ways and change the set up of how he wants the church run. They will only reap curses to themselves in the attempt as their deeply shameful generations and society already have done.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Always study the text above the verses, which is usually the context. You will find that some of those scriptures are about the marriage relationship, not general church instruction for women.

yeah big sections of scripture have all the understanding for sure.

I have no issue with that it’s the same way I see it there’s a structure for married men and women within thier relationshio for sure. There’s no distinction within the body of Christ and the kingdom between male disciples d female disciples though is my point not when your talking about someone’s relationship to Christ individually.

A marriage should be like it was before they sinned and were cursed in my belief because sin is remitted in Christ and the curse is removed in Christ. This is what God said after they sinned

“And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:14-16‬ ‭KJV‬

it’s a result of sin that eve is out into subjection and not Gods Will from before when she wasn’t subject to him , but was his help meet and mate. When she was deceived her punishment for her sin was to be made subject to Adam , he now would rule over her because they sinned.

he lays the blame on Adam equally Adam actually is in transgression more than eve she was deceived , Adam received the commandment from God not to eat the fruit and freely ate the fruit knowing he was breaking the command, just as eve also knew when the serpent asked her.

Adam is how sin came into the world he consciously broke the command “ don’t eat this deadly fruit or you’ll certainly die “

“Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭5:12, 14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

like your saying the context matters so here he says it was eve in transgression more than adam and is holding women to have to be held under Eves curse of subjugation to her husband.


“But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

about this

“I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.

In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.”
‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭2:8-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬


sometimes Paul says this as of women are still In and under the transgression of eve and other times he says this is what I’m saying just acknowledging there’s a difference in disposition between that and this

“For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:27-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I believe women also receive the spirit of Christ and some are given spiritual gifts as if there’s no difference between them because of gender because of that

“But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: And your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, And your young men shall see visions, And your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I agree with what you said some things regard a specific relationship of marriage Other things are about the spirit and edification of the church if a woman is called and annointed I will always listen myself I don’t think a church is of the devil because they have a woman speaker at all was where this began


because what he’s saying here is more in line with this