Truth or Traditions of men

[Nehemiah6]

how will we have life from His flesh if His flesh has no life in it?

Jesus -- the Resurrected Lord and Savior -- who called Himself "the Resurrection and the Life" -- plainly told the apostles that His resurrection body consisted of flesh and bones. Yet it was a special body which could operate as a supernatural "spiritual body" without any physical limitations. It could travel freely between Heaven and earth, and also through walls and doors. It would ascend to Heaven freely and dwell in Heaven as an immortal, glorious, and glorified body. And the same kinds of bodies are guaranteed to all those who are "in Christ" or "sleep" in Christ.

So if anyone does not understand these plain Bible truths, they should take time to properly study the matter rather than make ignorant comments. The Bible says that ordinary human bodies (flesh and blood) cannot enter Heaven. So God transforms them into special "spiritual bodies". When Enoch or Elijah were taken to Heaven, their bodies would have been transformed somehow. And yet there are people who have claimed on this forum that Elijah did not go to Heaven. Elisha would be disgusted at such nonsense.

 

[Magenta]

Yet it is not recorded that Thomas did insert his hand,fingers,into the wounds.

Seeing them, Thomas believed.

Jesus admonished Mary after she encountered the risen Christ on the path not to touch
him when she went to hug Jesus. Because he had not yet ascended to the Father.

That is true, which I have pointed out a number of times while here, also

The point was that Jesus would have to have removed His robe at least partially in order for Thomas to do
so. Probably at least as much as exposing His back would have required, which is why I said that to post

And I'm pretty sure post would understand why I said it...

 

[kenallen]

Genesis 1:31
Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

He did and they are but what does that have to do with flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom. That is what you have said and I am asking you to prove.

1 Thessalonians 4:

…15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.…

There are far more destructive doctrines than nitpicking over what happens in the last days. You need to learn to study the whole of God's word instead of coming up with doctrines that are easily contradicted by other Bible passages.

It won't be dead bodies coming out of the grave. It will be resurrection, not some kind of zombie event.
Isaiah 26:19
Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead.

You don't thank our gathering back to Christ is very important? Or understanding those who have fallen asleep are already with Christ so that there is no way we could precede hose who have fallen asleep. The dead in Christ in verse 16 this is the same dead as in 1 Corinthians 15. Those that are alive with a mortal soul that is libel to die as compared to those in Christ that have an immortal soul that will live forever both will have a spiritual body and not a flesh body to house that soul. Verse 17. Where will be going once we gather with Jesus? Jesus is going to set up His kingdom right here on earth. He will put His foot on the mount of olives split it into a 60 square mile valley for the New City of Jerusalem the Princes portion and the city garden, that will be 12 miles x 60 miles then will come a 24milex 60mile plot for the Priests and the Sanctuary, then the 3rd and last plot 24x60 mile for he Leites.

I also feal that this is very important because it tie right into the idea of a rapture which is not in the bible. Jesus did say that we had to beware of false teaching like this because it would lead many astray; and if possible even the elect and for there sake the days have been shortened (Matthew 24, Mark 13)
I would like to know what you thank the more important things are? I am wanting to learn and I thank I am right about this rapture thing because no one wants to tell me from the Bible where I am wrong.
Thanks Ken

 

[kenallen]

1 Thessalonians 4:

…15By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.…

There are far more destructive doctrines than nitpicking over what happens in the last days. You need to learn to study the whole of God's word instead of coming up with doctrines that are easily contradicted by other Bible passages.

It won't be dead bodies coming out of the grave. It will be resurrection, not some kind of zombie event.
Isaiah 26:19
Your dead will live; their bodies will rise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in the dust! For your dew is like the dew of the morning, and the earth will bring forth her dead.

As for spiritual bodies they will not be flesh and blood. They will have some form to them every time you read about an angle appearing they have form. The angles that protect the garden of Eden have flaming swords. 2 kings 6:17And Elisha prayed, and said, LORD, I pray thee, open his eyes, that he may see. And the LORD opened the eyes of the young man; and he saw: and, behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire round about Elisha. We could keep going but the point is the spite has form it is not some ghost like thing. It is not the same body we have know but a much better one.

 

[kenallen]

Jesus -- the Resurrected Lord and Savior -- who called Himself "the Resurrection and the Life" -- plainly told the apostles that His resurrection body consisted of flesh and bones. Yet it was a special body which could operate as a supernatural "spiritual body" without any physical limitations. It could travel freely between Heaven and earth, and also through walls and doors. It would ascend to Heaven freely and dwell in Heaven as an immortal, glorious, and glorified body. And the same kinds of bodies are guaranteed to all those who are "in Christ" or "sleep" in Christ.

So if anyone does not understand these plain Bible truths, they should take time to properly study the matter rather than make ignorant comments. The Bible says that ordinary human bodies (flesh and blood) cannot enter Heaven. So God transforms them into special "spiritual bodies". When Enoch or Elijah were taken to Heaven, their bodies would have been transformed somehow. And yet there are people who have claimed on this forum that Elijah did not go to Heaven. Elisha would be disgusted at such nonsense.

So right you are.

 

[posthuman]

As for spiritual bodies they will not be flesh and blood.

It is I Myself! Touch Me and see;
a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have!
(Luke 24:39)​

 

[posthuman]

He did and they are but what does that have to do with flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom.

i am reminding us of Genesis 1:31 because the gnostic idea that the flesh is evil is a demonstrably false teaching.

you are misinterpreting 1 Corinthians 15.
the perishable will be clothed with the imperishable: that means the perishable is raised.
our flesh does not inherit the kingdom - of course not - that is what Paul painstakingly proves in Romans chapters 1-5. no flesh is justified in His sight; we are saved through faith, not works.

this does not mean the resurrection is not physical. it means this:

When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.”
(1 Corinthians 15:54)
​

Jesus Christ Himself rose physically from the dead. He carefully proved it - that it is He, Himself, with flesh and bone, the very same flesh and very same bones. He ate a fish and some honey. that is definitive proof against which no argument can be made, yet some still make argument against it!
His body did not decay. it wasn't hidden away by the disciples. it didn't disappear. He rose from the dead, in that very flesh-and-bone-body and that exact body ascended to heaven.

yes we will be changed. but 'changed' is not equal to discarding our old bodies. changed is equal to those exact bodies being reformed and clothed with spirit, no longer subject to decay, with no death. it's amazing to me that you make arguments that 'oh those bodies will be all smelly and decayed who wants that' -- wow! do you think the God Who formed you from the dust is unable to reform you and keep you from putrefying?? is physics greater than God??

c'mon mate.
Jesus rose. we will too.

 

[Runningman]

So I hope that helps put to rest of of the greatest lies of the church today the rapture and that dead bodies are going to come up out of the grave.

Look forward to the up coming discussion

Without a literal resurrection Christianity is a hoax. Resurrection is required for Christianity to be a valid faith at this point. Perhaps you were too quick to conclude there is no literal future resurrection.

Here's what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 15:12-19
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.

 

[Magenta]

As for spiritual bodies they will not be flesh and blood.

I find as I age I have to read things more than once.

For instance, I thought at first you said squirrel bodies

 

[kenallen]

Without a literal resurrection Christianity is a hoax. Resurrection is required for Christianity to be a valid faith at this point. Perhaps you were too quick to conclude there is no literal future resurrection.

Here's what Paul said:

1 Corinthians 15:12-19
12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is worthless, and so is your faith. 15In that case, we are also exposed as false witnesses about God. For we have testified about God that He raised Christ from the dead, but He did not raise Him if in fact the dead are not raised.
16For if the dead are not raised, then not even Christ has been raised. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. 19If our hope in Christ is for this life alone, we are to be pitied more than all men.

I am not saying there is no resurrection from the dead. I am sorry if I made it sound that way. The points I am making is there is no rapture and we will not have a flesh and blood body. We will nor bring the old flesh body that gets old, gets sick, dies with us. We will have a new spiritual body just as Paul says in that same 15th chapter 50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[posthuman]

this corruptible shall have put on incorruption

this corruptible is exactly the thing that will put on incorruption.

Christ Himself bodily rose from the dead. His exact flesh.
He proved it when the disciples did not believe.
He will prove it to you, too, in your own unbelief.

the tomb was & is empty because it is He Himself in His own flesh that rose.

His body wasn't in the tomb anymore, and it didn't just disappear to be replaced by a different one.
He rose.
in the flesh.
His flesh was resurrected.

 

[kenallen]

i am reminding us of Genesis 1:31 because the gnostic idea that the flesh is evil is a demonstrably false teaching.

you are misinterpreting 1 Corinthians 15.
the perishable will be clothed with the imperishable: that means the perishable is raised.
our flesh does not inherit the kingdom - of course not - that is what Paul painstakingly proves in Romans chapters 1-5. no flesh is justified in His sight; we are saved through faith, not works.

this does not mean the resurrection is not physical. it means this:

When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: “Death has been swallowed up in victory.” ​

(1 Corinthians 15:54) ​

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Jesus Christ Himself rose physically from the dead. He carefully proved it - that it is He, Himself, with flesh and bone, the very same flesh and very same bones. He ate a fish and some honey. that is definitive proof against which no argument can be made, yet some still make argument against it!
His body did not decay. it wasn't hidden away by the disciples. it didn't disappear. He rose from the dead, in that very flesh-and-bone-body and that exact body ascended to heaven.

yes we will be changed. but 'changed' is not equal to discarding our old bodies. changed is equal to those exact bodies being reformed and clothed with spirit, no longer subject to decay, with no death. it's amazing to me that you make arguments that 'oh those bodies will be all smelly and decayed who wants that' -- wow! do you think the God Who formed you from the dust is unable to reform you and keep you from putrefying?? is physics greater than God??

c'mon mate.
Jesus rose. we will too.

You quote 15:54 of 1st Corinthians 15 but did you read the verses before that.
c'mon mate.
35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Where O Death is Your Victory?
(Isaiah 57:1-2)

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
THERE WILL BE NO FLESH AND BLOOD IN HEAVEN. THERE WILL BE NO FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES. Those that don't make it whos names are NOT written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE will still have a spiritual body but it will contain a mortal "labile" to die" and at that point it will. END OF STORY

 

[kenallen]

this corruptible is exactly the thing that will put on incorruption.

Christ Himself bodily rose from the dead. His exact flesh.
He proved it when the disciples did not believe.
He will prove it to you, too, in your own unbelief.

the tomb was & is empty because it is He Himself in His own flesh that rose.

His body wasn't in the tomb anymore, and it didn't just disappear to be replaced by a different one.
He rose.
in the flesh.
His flesh was resurrected.

Read what I just posted to you and then tell me that what Paul wrote is untrue. That the bible is wrong. Jesus had the same type body that the 2 young men had that were at the tomb early in the morning when Mary got there.

 

[kenallen]

You quote 15:54 of 1st Corinthians 15 but did you read the verses before that.
c'mon mate.
35But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? 36Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 37And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: 38But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body. 39All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds. 40There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. 41There is one glory of the sun, and another glory of the moon, and another glory of the stars: for one star differeth from another star in glory.
42So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption: 43It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: 44It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. 45And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 46Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. 47The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 48As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. 49And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
Where O Death is Your Victory?
(Isaiah 57:1-2)

50Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 51Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. 55O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? 56The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. 57But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
THERE WILL BE NO FLESH AND BLOOD IN HEAVEN. THERE WILL BE NO FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES. Those that don't make it whos names are NOT written in the LAMBS BOOK OF LIFE will still have a spiritual body but it will contain a mortal "labile" to die" and at that point it will. END OF STORY

You are right God was very pleased with all the races He created on the 6th day. Then He rested. Then He looked and what did He find?
Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Does this sound anything like the creation on the 6th day.
God brings all the animals for him to name and Adam names them but does not find one suitable for a mate.
So what does God do?
2:21And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof; 22And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
23And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
24Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh. 25And they were both naked, the man and his wife, and were not ashamed.
But I thought Adam and Eve were created on the 6th day. Not who knows what day at the end of Genesis 2. OK smarty you may ask: Why is Eve the mother of all living. Good question. Here comes a good answer. She is the mother of all living because from her womb to the womb of Marry you can follow that seed line. If you are not born again and have the Holy Spirit dwelling in you that new God given spirit that makes us white as snow you are DEAD. You are a dead man walking living on spiritual death row.

 

[posthuman]

Read what I just posted to you and then tell me that what Paul wrote is untrue. That the bible is wrong. Jesus had the same type body that the 2 young men had that were at the tomb early in the morning when Mary got there.

you are hung up on v.50 and you want to deny the entire Bible for the sake of your misconception of it
the whole Bible testifies of Christ and of the salvation wrought through Him

i tell you the truth: Paul told you the truth:

Jesus Christ, in the flesh, was resurrected.
His exact flesh and bone was raised to life.

you keep throwing 1 Corinthians 15 up but you do not understand what it is saying! it is not in conflict with physical resurrection; it is conforming it.

you are bent on gnosticism but it's the furthest thing from the truth. Christ rose from the dead. He, Himself, flesh and bone.
Luke 24 is specifically written to contradict your position.


the resurrection from the dead is not a false-teaching or a human tradition.
what is a false teaching is your insistence that the dead are not raised.
you have not stumbled on some 'new teaching' that 7,000 years of theological history has missed.
you have fallen into a thousands-of-years-old vain error.

i mean even just statiscally speaking: what is more probable?
you have failed to understand one verse correctly?
or for thousands of years hundreds of millions of Christians have utterly missed the meaning completely and hundreds of verses in the Bible are flat-out wrong?

want to know my opinion?
you have failed to understand 1 Corinthians 15, and come up with a private, gnostic false teaching that you are too vain to discard.
that is the statistical likelihood here, in a purely objective sense -- let alone the theological argument.


JESUS BODILY ROSE FROM THE DEAD.
that is fact.
deal with it.

 

[posthuman]

Genesis 2:4These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Does this sound anything like the creation on the 6th day.

this sounds exactly like creation on the 6th day.

a flesh and bone human being, that God created for a purpose, and calls "very good"

not something evil. something good.

woe to those who call good, evil!

 

[posthuman]

tell me that what Paul wrote is untrue. That the bible is wrong.

um, no, that's your schtick, not mine.

we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies. ​

(Romans 8:23)​

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you are the one who says Paul is lying here; that no ones bodies are redeemed.
youa re denying Christ's resurrection and you are denying all kinds of other scripture
all because you are not understanding 1 Cor. 15:50 correctly.

what is more likely; you personally are wrong and failing to understand?
or the Bible is full of self-contradiction & all Christianity since the beginning is completely false?

 

[Gideon300]

He did and they are but what does that have to do with flesh and blood inheriting the kingdom. That is what you have said and I am asking you to prove.

You don't thank our gathering back to Christ is very important? Or understanding those who have fallen asleep are already with Christ so that there is no way we could precede hose who have fallen asleep. The dead in Christ in verse 16 this is the same dead as in 1 Corinthians 15. Those that are alive with a mortal soul that is libel to die as compared to those in Christ that have an immortal soul that will live forever both will have a spiritual body and not a flesh body to house that soul. Verse 17. Where will be going once we gather with Jesus? Jesus is going to set up His kingdom right here on earth. He will put His foot on the mount of olives split it into a 60 square mile valley for the New City of Jerusalem the Princes portion and the city garden, that will be 12 miles x 60 miles then will come a 24milex 60mile plot for the Priests and the Sanctuary, then the 3rd and last plot 24x60 mile for he Leites.

I also feal that this is very important because it tie right into the idea of a rapture which is not in the bible. Jesus did say that we had to beware of false teaching like this because it would lead many astray; and if possible even the elect and for there sake the days have been shortened (Matthew 24, Mark 13)
I would like to know what you thank the more important things are? I am wanting to learn and I thank I am right about this rapture thing because no one wants to tell me from the Bible where I am wrong.
Thanks Ken

The problems of the church relate to the here and now, not to the future. There are many interpretations of future events. Not all can be right. One of the greatest problems of the church, far more troublesome than arguments about the rapture, is disunity. Paul said that those who continually sow discord should be removed from fellowship.

Psalm 133 tells us that unity is pleasing to God. It's "life for evermore". Paul rebuked the Corinthians for having cliques within the church. We will never get doctrinal in this life. People are prone to study God's word intellectually. Since Christians have different inclinations, biases and levels of understanding, we come up with different interpretations on many issues.

We must come to the place where we can agree to disagree. There are churches that split on issues that are so trivial that it's a joke. It does not honour God and it gives the world an excuse to mock and reject the truth. While Christians are splitting hairs, they are also at risk of splitting the church.

The truth about all these contentious doctrines will come out when Jesus returns. Being "right" is greatly overrated. Loving the brethren as Christ loves us, caring for one another, ensuring that no brother goes without food and clothing, praying and seeking God's kingdom, these things should be our aim, not doctrinal purity. God will reveal truth to us as we seek Him. If others don't agree, don't let pride rob you of fellowship.

 

[posthuman]

The truth about all these contentious doctrines will come out when Jesus returns. Being "right" is greatly overrated. Loving the brethren as Christ loves us, caring for one another, ensuring that no brother goes without food and clothing, praying and seeking God's kingdom, these things should be our aim, not doctrinal purity. God will reveal truth to us as we seek Him. If others don't agree, don't let pride rob you of fellowship.

before this thread, tho, i have never heard of the resurrection of the dead as a 'contentious doctrine'
apart from unbelievers saying our faith is hogwash, of course.
among the church the resurrection is not a contention. it is a very well-established thing.

the rapture & timing of it has contention and has historically had contentention.
the fact that Jesus Christ bodily rose from the dead, His very own flesh, has AFAIK never been contentious among believers.
it is a key element of the Christian faith.

so where i am contending here is not over controversial matters.
it is about a few people suddenly making a contention over one of the basic tenets of Christianity, which is fully supported through numerous scriptures and has never been a questionable matter.

it's very simple. these few people are misinterpreting 1 Corinthians 15:50
the Bible is very clear about the bodily resurrection of Christ. Jesus specifically addressed the premise of this thread in Luke 24.
there is no reason we should have even 2 pages of this thread, let alone 6 & counting. this OP is literally a 3-reply question: 2 witnesses to correct him; done.

 

[posthuman]

♪♫ where would my body be... ?? ​