Alcohol - a world wide phenomena
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Yes, it is also in scripture as well.
Prov 23:29: "Who hath woe? who hath sorrow? who hath contentions? who hath babbling? who hath wounds without cause? who hath redness of eyes?"
That 'translation' carries an inherent bias. It does not say, "Do not join those who drink too much wine (alcohol)".
That is a terrible paraphrase and violates the Hebrew.
Pro. 23:20 HOT - אל תהי בסבאי יין בזללי בשר למו׃
Pro. 23:20 HOT Translit - al-T'hiy v'šov'ëy-yäyin B'zolálëy väsär lämô
Prov 23:20: "Be not among winebibbers; among riotous eaters of flesh:"
"Winebibbers" = alcohol drinkers
There are no words in the Hebrew which read, "drink too much wine".
To incorrectly translate the Hebrew to say that, implies then your a priori, that a little alcohol is fine, but that isn't what the Hebrew says at all, neither implies.
It says do not be mingling with those who fill themselves up with alcohol. The phrase "too much" is not present and is subjective nonsense. Many Diné (aka 'Navajo') on the 'Rez' when surveyed in study, see even only one drink of alcohol as a "bad thing to do" by both drinkers and non (May & Smith, 1988).
The very next verse basically repeats this verse.
Prov 23:21: "For the drunkard and the glutton shall come to poverty: and drowsiness shall clothe a man with rags."
Drunkard is old English, coming from two words, "drink" (swallow liquid) and "ard" (hardy, with their might, boldly (without shame)). A drunkard is literally someone who drinks (in this case, alcohol) with their strength of effort without shame. They fill themselves with alcohol.
That's a strawman of the position taken. Alcohol represents in symbol sin and death. Drinking alcohol is the sin.
Job 15:16: "How much more abominable and filthy is man, which drinketh iniquity like water?"
Joel 1:5: "Awake, ye drunkards, and weep; and howl, all ye drinkers of wine, because of the new wine; for it is cut off from your mouth."
Isaiah 5:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
The wicked are bold to drink alcohol and are unashamed. Even 'Christians' who now reverse good and evil, sweet and bitter.
Deu 32:32: "For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:"
I guess, like all things, it depends on whose opinions that you value that play a part in shaping your perception. I am talking about myself here so please take no offence.
The key words are too much and gorge. I concur with your estimation.
A wise person would consider the proverb you provided. A more spiritually mature person, in regards to drinking and eating would emulate the part about too much and gorge and avoid doing such a thing.
It is like abstaining eating food sacrificed to idols. A more spiritually mature person, in regard to idols, realizes that idols are not alive but just the representation of something intrinsically evil. The person with the more mature spiritual perception would then be free to eat such foot, but avoid gorging oneself in regards to drink and food.
There is a lot of that in the BDF. It is called wresting scripture to conform to one's narrative.
If the word 'wine' in the wedding of Cana account refers to grape juice then how can the word 'wine' in the account of Noah caused Noah to become drunk, if in fact, the wine was grape juice?
Nonsense.
Winebibbers are noted for their drinking, ”wine” is in the word. If you are known for drinking wine you are an alcoholic.
This is consistent with gluttony: someone known for eating food. If you are known for eating food you are a glutton.
Simple... one fits their narrative, the other doesn't, so the one must be grape juice and the other must be alcoholic.
Your "logic" isn't logical.
A person known for eating food is not necessarily known for eating excessively. A glutton is known for eating excessively.
Similarly, a person known for drinking wine is not necessarily known for drinking excessively.
Once again your bias blinds you. That the second part of the sentence implies impropriety in the pattern of eating, so the impropriety is implied in the first part of the verse as well. The key is excess, not mere consumption.
Well..if you reject God's word then you might as well just publish your own bible as many have done...since the 1960's.
I thought that the equation of your position states that wine = grape juice? Now, you're stating that wine is alcohol.
.....and...you would be wrong....."tickle my ears and tell me what I want to hear"...alive and well in your assessment.
.....and ignore God's words huh? All the while bury the wrecked bodies therefrom...huh!!!
It is established science.....misery loves company.
Have you really misunderstood this entire time?
Wine has two meanings in scripture, depending on context.