The False Teaching (& Truth) of what happens at the Rapture.

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You've done nothing but conflating the terms. All of that was called DELIVERANCE, not "caught up" or "rapture". God didn't supernaturally rapture or "take" Noah into heaven - before, during or after the Flood! And how did Noah "rise into the clouds" via the flood? How come that 15 cubits deep of water lifted him to heaven? You just made this up.
This is what happens when you do not know your bible.

SMH
 
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Yes he did. Go read Gen. 19 and educate yourself. Since when did ESCAPE on foot become a rapture? Since when did ENTER into Zoar become a rapture?
" LEFT" MEANS "LEFT"
HE LEFT.

Deal with it.
Change it
Do whatever you need to do to protect that failed doctrine.
 
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You've done nothing but conflating the terms. All of that was called DELIVERANCE, not "caught up" or "rapture". God didn't supernaturally rapture or "take" Noah into heaven - before, during or after the Flood! And how did Noah "rise into the clouds" via the flood? How come that 15 cubits deep of water lifted him to heaven? You just made this up.
Flat out comical.
How long would it have taken you to go to the bible and READ WHAT IT SAYS???????????
Instead i have to spoon feed you????
 
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I really cant believe you CAN NOT go to it and read that he did not "listen and depart"
Maybe if i post it so you can further make a fool if yourself

15 And when the morning arose, then the angels hastened Lot, saying, Arise, take thy wife, and thy two daughters, which are here; lest thou be consumed in the iniquity of the city.

16 And while he lingered, the men laid hold upon his hand, and upon the hand of his wife, and upon the hand of his two daughters; the Lord being merciful unto him: and they brought him forth, and set him without the city.

Of course you will change it into something else.
They drug him and his family out.
It does not say what you very disingenuously NEED it to say.

That is not a red flag to you????
That you BLATANTLY CHANGE THE BIBLE?????
And right in the next verse Angel urged them to ESCAPE. So convenient of you to ignore that and take things out of context. And that's out of the city, not out of this world like your fantasy.
 
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" before the flood"
The setting is pre judgement.
Was Noah taken to heaven? Did anyone receive a glorified body>

That is what it says.

You omit it
What was "omitted"?

It is there.

Will never go away.
What is "there"?

"Before the food"
Then
" one taken, one left"
Pretrib rapture.
Where do you get the theology of pretrib rapture from "one taken one left"?

The ONLY WAY to prove a pretrib trip to heaven in a glorified body is a verse that actually shows it.

And you know good and well that there are no such verses.

For ALL your so-called evidences of this pretrib trip to heaven in a glorified body, you MUST add a lot of presumption.
 
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Do you see what you just did?
The setting of noah is BEFORE THE FLOOD.
That means prejudgement/ pretrib.
This is just a very wild LEAP. There's lots of judgments in the Bible, so there's lots of "prejudgments" that go along with the judgments.

What you can't deal with is the 10 plagues of Egypt, where God kept the Israelites SAFE all the while raining judgment down on the Egyptians. God didn't remove the Jews from Egypt in order to judge Egypt.
 
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Flat out comical.
How long would it have taken you to go to the bible and READ WHAT IT SAYS???????????
Instead i have to spoon feed you????
The bible - or Left Behind movies? I don't have no failed doctrine, you do.
 
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Who "took" Noah to where? My bible says God made a promise to him, and his three sons repopulated the earth. There was no "taking" because that's no rapture model at all. Neither is Lot who was still on earth, and his two daughters committed incest with him. None of these had anything to do with "rapture". Neither Noah nor Lot was "removed" from the earth.
Psssst.....
Next time read where Jesus says "...his COMING will be like...." NOAH AND LOT.

IT is you guys claim the rapture is at HIS COMING.

So just make believe lot and noah are raptured ( hello, removed) post flood and fire

Just tap your heals together and say " removed postrib...removed postrib....removed postrib"
 
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The wicked and the inlaws.... both left behind.
( as in the rapture)
So you think "in-laws" are going to be "left behind"??

I don't think Jenkins and LaHaye made any mention of in-laws in their books. :ROFL::ROFL:

(Not all believers are the bride as depicted in the virgins parable of mat 25)
Yet, 1 Cor 15:23 blows your theory out of the water. "those who belong to Him" include every person that the Savior saves. Because all who are saved DO belong to Him.

Paul clearly taught that the singular resurrection would include all believers and will occur "when He comes", which is obviously the 2nd Advent.
 
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And right in the next verse Angel urged them to ESCAPE. So convenient of you to ignore that and take things out of context. And that's out of the city, not out of this world like your fantasy.
Yeah
Just pretend they went through the judgement were not taken by the hand and drug out, and then in unison with your belief, removed post judgement.

Change it around.
Feel good about it.

Invincible ignorance
 
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Heck keep changing it.
Your postribber colleagues will give you ribbons.
 
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The Tribulation and the Great Tribulation are divine judgments on the unbelieving, the ungodly, and the wicked. They have absolutely nothing to do with the saints of God.
God's wrath is on sin, whether committed by believer or unbeliever.

Col 3:5-10
Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry. Because of these, the wrath of God is coming. You used to walk in these ways, in the life you once lived. But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. Do not lie to each other, since you have taken off your old self with its practices and have put on the new self, which is being renewed in knowledge in the image of its Creator.

Paul is warning the Colossian believers to "put to death" or "take off their old self with its practices" in order to AVOID GOD'S WRATH.

"Because of these (immoral lifestyles) the wrath of God is coming."

Paul didn't say all believers will miss God's wrath. He warned believers to avoid His wrath by taking off the old self.
 
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During the flood, or tribulation, Noah was over a mile into the heavens.
Noah the RETURNED POSTRIB.
Really fanciful thinking there. There was NO trib. There was a flood, though.

To see "pretrib rapture" in the flood is really something.

Vivid depiction of the pretrib rapture, church in the heaven during the trib, the postrib return for a new kingdom.
Not even close.

furthermore, to use Noah's flood to claim that there will be a trip to heaven is really a weak argument. In fact, it's NO argument.

Just a lot of presumption.
 
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Uh, your Postrib Rapture model would need a Postrib GATHERING.
How 'bout that! There IS one.

2 Thess 2:1 - Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters,

There it is. "our being gathered to Him" will occur "when He comes", which is obviously the Second Advent.
 
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Psssst.....
Next time read where Jesus says "...his COMING will be like...." NOAH AND LOT.

IT is you guys claim the rapture is at HIS COMING.

So just make believe lot and noah are raptured ( hello, removed) post flood and fire

Just tap your heals together and say " removed postrib...removed postrib....removed postrib"
Keep fooling yourself, change the definition of words as you like. Noah and Lot were ON EARTH the whole time, when was either of them "removed" into heaven? They were not under judgement because they were PROTECTED, not "raptured" - or removed!
 
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It says the waters covered the mountains.
That puts noah above or into the clouds.
Still no trip to heaven.

You really have that much disdain for Gods word?
You really seem to like to open yourself up for charges.

You've been shown all the verses that SAY that the resurrection of "those who belong to Him" is singular. That means ALL believers will be given glorified bodies at the same event, whether dead or alive, which is what 1 Thess 4 and 1 Cor 15:52 says as well.

You've also been shown the verses that pinpoint the resurrection/glorified bodies to be at the Second Advent.

And you have rudely REJECTED all of them, as if they don't exist.

So WHO really has the DISDAIN for God's Word?
 
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This is what happens when you do not know your bible.
Said the guy who doesn't believe the Bible, which teaches the single resurrection of all believers will occur at the Second Advent.

1 Cor 15:23
 
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Psssst.....
Next time read where Jesus says "...his COMING will be like...." NOAH AND LOT.
Students of the Word understand that Jesus wasn't talking about some trip to heaven, but rather, conditions on earth before His return will be "in like manner" to the conditions just before the flood. That's all. No pretrib anything, other than conditions.

IT is you guys claim the rapture is at HIS COMING.
No, actually the Bible says so. 1 Cor 15:23, Rev 20:5

So just make believe lot and noah are raptured ( hello, removed) post flood and fire
You can forget Noah. But we all know that it is the pretribbers who "make believe" there will be a pretrib trip to heaven.
 
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