Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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FreeGrace2 said:
Please define what YOU mean by "fruit". Then I can answer.
I wasn't asking to know what I believe. I was asking YOU what YOUR definition of "fruit" is. Why don't you just answer the question?
If you were following the conversation a little better, you would have known what I was asking.
What is clear is that you seem unwilling to answer the question.
Please define what YOU mean by "fruit". Then I can answer.
I wasn't asking to know what I believe. I was asking YOU what YOUR definition of "fruit" is. Why don't you just answer the question?
If you were following the conversation a little better, you would have known what I was asking.
What is clear is that you seem unwilling to answer the question.
2 Cor. 3:4, Eph. 1:12-13, I John 5:1, 10-13, Act 16:31 1 Peter 1:21. Well, you really don't believe what the Saviour says or the scripture says. You believe what a man say. Sorry, I am bound to believe what the scripture says.
1 Peter 1:21
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
1 Peter 1:21
Who by him do believe in God, that raised him from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.
It does
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
[Gal 2:16 KJV] 16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[Phl 3:9 KJV] 9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
rogerg said:
By the faith of Christ we believe.
FreeGrace2 said:
Where does the Bible say this? It doesn't.
My interlinear has "of (in)". iow, the Greek word can be translated either way.
biblehub.com has 22 English translations and 50% have "in" and 50% have "of".
Among the formal equivalence translations, such as ESV and NASB, have "in".
So it seems the Greek can go either way.
By the faith of Christ we believe.
FreeGrace2 said:
Where does the Bible say this? It doesn't.
My interlinear has "of (in)". iow, the Greek word can be translated either way.
biblehub.com has 22 English translations and 50% have "in" and 50% have "of".
Among the formal equivalence translations, such as ESV and NASB, have "in".
So it seems the Greek can go either way.
The case here is the redeemer Christ believe his Father. In fact Christ says in John 14:11, that we are to believe in Christ who believes in his Father as the Father is in Christ and no one is trying to question that. The emphasis of the context is the faith of those believers whom Peter wrote. Their faith might be in God. That settles. So my faith in Christ does not negate or deny the existing truth that Christ is the Saviour.
No, don't think so. Christ was deemed faithful by the Father because He perfectly fulfilled the role the Father had given Him, which
fulfilled the Father's promise to Abraham
[Mat 3:17 KJV] 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
[Heb 10:9 KJV] 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
fulfilled the Father's promise to Abraham
[Mat 3:17 KJV] 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
[Heb 10:9 KJV] 9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
The faith of Christ is a shorthand way of defining the gospel Paul preach. It refers to the works of Christ where Paul contrasted the works of the law which Paul rejects. Paul is expressing the essence of the gospel. In what immediately follows, he refers to the act of the person who accepts the offer by believing.