Doctrine of Unconditional Election
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I would agree that it's the faith of Christ that justifies the believer. Christ's work on the cross justifies. He is the Just and the justifier of those that believe in him.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Did you happen to notice the "by the faith of Jesus Christ" part? That is, the rest of the verse is dependent upon His faith not ours?
It says nothing about having to believe first, does it?
Absolutely! We are justified by the faith of Jesus Christ. Our part is believing. I believe, then Christ’s faith justifies me. No work on my part.
Galatians 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
You are saying that we are saved by our own faith? How can that be? Where is righteousness in our faith - nothing that we may do is righteous? Righteousness accompanies faith- do you consider that any faith we produce to be righteous? The below is speaking about the righteousness of Christ's faith, not ours.
[Rom 4:13 KJV] 13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, [was] not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.
No, it is saying that it is by the faith of Jesus Christ that we believe. "A" brings about "B". Christ's faith brings about our faith. Please, read it again
Christ,s faith resulted to his death, burial and resurrection. That brings to us the gospel. His works is indeed justifies those who will believe in him. Yor passage pertaining to Abraham simply believed God and it was accounted unto him God's righteouness. Romans 4:3, Galatians 3:6
It takes trusting, relying on the Saviour to be saved. Jesus is of course the Saviour of this world but only those that will response to him in faith will be saved. Those that will reject him would not be saved.
And what do you think, when I believe on Christ is my Saviour, I save myself? When I trusted, rely on Him for salvation, did i save myself?
rogerg said:
Do you believe that Christ is the Saviour or that we are?
Until they get that nonsense out of their skulls, they are impossible to reason with.
They are convinced, and all without any evidence from the Bible, that God elects who will believe, though they never phrase it that way, but that is exactly the bottom line in their election doctrine.
God's choice for who to save is eloquently stated by Paul in 1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
For God to be "pleased to save those who believe", shows that this is God's CHOICE.
But sadly, calvinists will read this verse and swear they see God electing who will believe. I guess they just can't help it.
Do you believe that Christ is the Saviour or that we are?
The tragic thing is that calvinists really DO believe that those who believe that believing comes from the heart is in fact, "saving themselves".
Until they get that nonsense out of their skulls, they are impossible to reason with.
They are convinced, and all without any evidence from the Bible, that God elects who will believe, though they never phrase it that way, but that is exactly the bottom line in their election doctrine.
God's choice for who to save is eloquently stated by Paul in 1 Cor 1:21 - For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.
For God to be "pleased to save those who believe", shows that this is God's CHOICE.
But sadly, calvinists will read this verse and swear they see God electing who will believe. I guess they just can't help it.
“We have believed in Jesus Christ that we might be justified by the faith of Jesus Christ.”
Believing obviously comes first. After believing, we are justified by the faith of Christ.
Aren't you saying........from God comes grace (forgiveness) and salvation? Faith is our choice through ...free will.
Who is the Word of God?
Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
You already answered your own questions. Now you just need to follow the conversation a little better.
Faith is a fruit of the spirit.
Which, we already established only saved people bear fruit. Unsaved people do not bear fruit. They are not able.
You could place the word 'through' anywhere you want. In order to contradict "not of yourselves" it would have to be explicitly stated. In that verse. Or the next.
Romans 10:10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ezekiel 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
John 3:27 John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
I see the problem. You guys don't know what Salvation even is.
This is Salvation;
Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Salvation is not a formula that you concoct and perform. Salvation is the Gift of God from beginning to end. You have to come to Christ to receive it.