Gay Christian?

[Lad]

both your points are valid ones and the fact you don't dismiss it says a lot, I don't think God created the big bang if he has all this power and a supernatural being I think he could of created the Earth easier than that but it says he created everything within 7 days but that means he created man too but man didn't walk the Earth for a long time after. Ultimately is a question if we are all being honest we will never find the answer too but it does inflame passion inside of people no matter what faith or lack of you have. I do believe in evolution and think it's the right answer but honestly I hope I'm wrong I really do.

Yes God has alot of power, and couldve just spoke everything into existence but thats not what the facts show is it? lol so I dont believe it and I dont think its a very strong argument against creation of the universe by God.

Also the hebrew word used for 'day' doesnt necessarily refer to a literal 24 hr day but it can also be translated 'time period' e.g. the 'day of the Lord' also mentioned in scripture probably wont be 24 hours but much longer. My theory is 'God-days' that we dont know the exact amount of time God created each thing for each day but He took the amount of time He needed to do it.

 

[psymon23]

See i'm like you I don't see creationism to be a strong enough argument against Evolution, I just find that people can interpret the bible to say what they want it to say. There are facts in Evolution that convince me more for example the fact we are 98.4% genetically identical to Chimpanzees which makes them more genetically Identical to us then they are to Gorillas which I find amazing.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jimmy, that philosophical argument is flawed, seeing as step 4 is just an assumption and opinion,

No, William Lane Craig has written 240 pages over why it would have to be an uncaused first cause, that is timeless, spaceless, immaterial, and a personal creator.

the universe could infact have many different causes, eg a continuous stream of causes

Ever tried to get to the top of the down escalator, when it matches your speed? If you run, it moves faster down?

Ever traversed an infinite number of past events?

, a giant duck named bob, etc etc.

If you rob all the properties of a duck that make it a duck, it's not longer a duck.

If it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like a duck, look like a duck, tatste, feel or smell like a duck. It's probably not a duck.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6m-KNUmG4[/video]

Big bang cosmology also confirms a beginniing to the universe.

We as christians, have faith in God based on facts, but the universes cause cannot be proven so it falls under faith not facts.

No, it falls under science and philosophy. God is the author of both. In fact, both lead us to conclude there is a God.

 

[Lad]

Note that it wasnt creationism that I said wasnt a strong argument, but the opinion of yours that God didnt use a more powerful way, if He did create it.

Also note that I didnt make the Bible say what I wanted it to say, I said my theory based on the Hebrew words used.

On the genetic thing, there is a vast amount of difference in 1.6% and we are completely different also in that we have souls and they do not. Also to me this alikeness in our dna only proves more to me the existence of one Creator/Designer.

 

[jimmydiggs]

both your points are valid ones and the fact you don't dismiss it says a lot, I don't think God created the big bang if he has all this power and a supernatural being I think he could of created the Earth easier than that

He who proposes there is a better way, must propose a better way.

but it says he created everything within 7 days but that means he created man too but man didn't walk the Earth for a long time after.

The Apostle Paul implies a literal Genesis, but this has no effect on the veracity of the claims of the bible.

Ultimately is a question if we are all being honest we will never find the answer too

So why believe anything? Shouldn't you run around in infinite skepticism?

but it does inflame passion inside of people no matter what faith or lack of you have. I do believe in evolution and think it's the right answer but honestly I hope I'm wrong I really do.

This is a claim to credibility, just like a Christian who says, "I really wish God wasn't true..." It's a lie. It's an attempt to persuade the other that the one speaking isn't devoted to their position.

 

[jimmydiggs]

How do you prove a negative? the burden of proof is on the person who claims something, If I didn't ask your view it's not because i'm a bigoted person it's because I was focusing on jimmy, so by all means tell me your views like I said previous I didn't generalise and I'm tolerant of your opinions. As far as doubting Evolution of course you can say that I fully expect you to, do either of you have any thoughts on evolution?

Evolution has no effect on the veracity of the bible. Evolution compells many to believe there is a God. Francis Collins came to belief in God all because of DNA and science.

 

[Lad]

No, William Lane Craig has written 240 pages over why it would have to be an uncaused first cause, that is timeless, spaceless, immaterial, and a personal creator.



Ever tried to get to the top of the down escalator, when it matches your speed? If you run, it moves faster down?

Ever traversed an infinite number of past events?



If you rob all the properties of a duck that make it a duck, it's not longer a duck.

If it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like a duck, look like a duck, tatste, feel or smell like a duck. It's probably not a duck.

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go6m-KNUmG4[/video]

Big bang cosmology also confirms a beginniing to the universe.

We as christians, have faith in God based on facts, but the universes cause cannot be proven so it falls under faith not facts.

No, it falls under science and philosophy. God is the author of both. In fact, both lead us to conclude there is a God.

Not all philosophy does, infact alot of philosophy goes against other philosophical statements and there are many against the cosmological argument. I dont believe God created philosophy as it is human wonderings and opinions about the unknown but i do concede that God created and uses science.

 

[psymon23]

You can name drop a few people here and there but it doesn't make it true. Feelings on Dawkins and Darwin? you say there's a lot of diference in 1.6% not really it's not much of a leap from them to us, y not be a skeptic it's all going to mean nothing come the day we die.

 

[psymon23]

Oh and jimmy I have gone up an escolater and managed to get to the top

 

[Lad]

Darwin was just a man who had a flawed belief.

Dawkins is just a man who will get a huge fright when Yeshua comes back.

 

[USMCguy2013]

@jimmy, is that a Bonnie flag...?

 

[jimmydiggs]

Not all philosophy does, infact alot of philosophy goes against other philosophical statements and there are many against the cosmological argument.

There isn't just one cosmological argument.

I dont believe God created philosophy

The discipline itself, no. The laws of logic themselves, yes.

The Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- God is the author of laws of logic.

as it is human wonderings and opinions about the unknown but i do concede that God created and uses science.

See the above link.

 

[USMCguy2013]

There isn't just one cosmological argument.



The discipline itself, no. The laws of logic themselves, yes.

The Transcendental Argument for the Existence of God | Christian Apologetics and Research Ministry <--- God is the author of laws of logic.


See the above link.

dude, simple question. what flag is that? it looks like the Bonnie Blue Flag. which, if it is, would open up a door to a whole new side of the argument.

 

[psymon23]

Jesus was just a man with drunken Ramblings

 

[jimmydiggs]

You can name drop a few people here and there but it doesn't make it true.

What do you mean by "name drop"?

Feelings on Dawkins and Darwin?

Both didn't repent, according to history. Dawkins might just yet, but dawkins is also a chicken and won't debate William Lane Craig. Are you one of Dawkin's Faithful Disciples?

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFvgiH_MMdk[/video]

you say there's a lot of diference in 1.6% not really it's not much of a leap from them to us,

The DNA sequences of humans and chimpanzees are 98 percent identical. Yet that 2 percent difference represents at least 15 million changes in our genome since the time of our common ancestor roughly six million years ago. Now a new computational technique has identified 49 regions that have changed particularly quickly between humans and chimps, and may have revealed at least one gene critical to the development of our larger brains.
Scientists Identify Gene Difference Between Humans and Chimps: Scientific American <-- click

14,999,999 changes sounds like 15 million more than "not that many".

y not be a skeptic it's all going to mean nothing come the day we die.

Umm, I guess eternal destiny might be something you might consider to, "mean something".

 

[Lad]

Jesus was just a man with drunken Ramblings

LOL um ok.

 

[jimmydiggs]

@jimmy, is that a Bonnie flag...?

Try Somalia.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Jesus was just a man with drunken Ramblings

What reason is there to believe he was just a drunken man? There were many drunken men in Israel at the time, but few received the attention let alone crufixion Christ did.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Oh and jimmy I have gone up an escolater and managed to get to the top

You apparently didn't read the question. The question was in regards to walking up a down escalator that matches your speed. IF you walk fatser up, it goes faster down.

 

[psymon23]

Dawkins has some ideas I'm a fan of his work. Ok 15 million differences so 1 a year maybe we'd evolve after 15 million years. My eternal destiny to a life of nothingness is something I think about but nothing much I can do about it.