Gay Christian?

[jimmydiggs]

Unanswered questions is the foundation of Christianity isn't it?

I would say no, it's not. The foundation of Christianity is the ressurrection of Christ. Which our concluding that Christ resurrected is based on what we do know. Same for God being the author of the Universe.

do you really think I'm going to have any supporters on here.

Depends on the issue. There's quite a few who adhere to a liberal theology, that would support your views on homosexuality (FSUboy I think would). In regards to athiesm, not as many as there once were, but there used to be quite a significant prescence until they got in trouble. (broke some rules)

I admit i obviously don't know as much as yourself about the bible

True or not, I've spoken very little from the bible. Most of what I have spoken from has been philosophy.

but you talk like a bigot

Given that by definition, a bigot is anyone devoted to their position, everyone who is devoted to a position is a bigot.

Also, on athiesm, what's wrong with being a bigot?

that lives in the past

I'm living based on what I know. Most importantly, what I can conclude from what I know.

it's the 21st century

Correct.

and these days atheists and agnostics are growing rapidly and I think one day it will surpass Christianity.

Agreed to both, revelations seems to fortell of this.

What is your take on other faiths for example i.e Muslims?

False and immoral.

 

[psymon23]

why is Islam false and Immoral but Christianity correct? You don't know God created the universe nobody does. A bigot is actually a prejudice person who is intolerant to any opinion differing to their own or intolerant to someone who has different views on race, beliefs or sexuality for example.

 

[jimmydiggs]

why is Islam false and Immoral but Christianity correct?

1) Christ ressurrected, Islam's "claim to fame" is based on Christ not ressurecting. Everything else falls in line after that.
2) It's immoral because it is a perversion of truth.

You don't know God created the universe nobody does.

I have reason to believe so based on the resurrection of Christ, and probably two dozen philosophical arguments. Including multiple Cosmological arguments such as the Kalam Cosmological Argument, and Leibniz's Cosmological Argument.

KCA goes as follows..

1) That which begins to exist requires a cause
2)The universe began to exist
3) The Universe requires a cause
4) That cause is God

It's more specific. That's a summary.

A bigot is actually a prejudice person who is intolerant to any opinion differing to their own or intolerant to someone who has different views on race, beliefs or sexuality for example.

Definition of BIGOT

: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


Bigot - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary <--- click

Looks to me like we were never in disagreeance.

Here's one for you...

 

[psymon23]

you said a bigot is "devoted to their position" but made no mention of prejudice or intolerance to other races, faiths or sexual beliefs not all people who are strong willed are bigoted individuals. You don't know that Christ was ressurected and the cause of the universe is not God it's just a theory. why does there have to be a cause?

 

[USMCguy2013]

God hates sin. God loves his children. all sins are forgiven, because Jesus died on the cross. from suicide, to homosexuality, to stealing a pack of gum. the 7 deadly sins were written by a monk after the time of Jesus, and was put into the bible AFTER being edited by the pope, if im correct, and im almost 100% certain i am. so sin is sin, all sin is forgiven. if you believe in Purgatory, im sure gay christians spend a large amount of time in there. i dont.

 

[Honey12]

yep 7 billion sinful humans for sure. You are pointless to talk to I'm an open minded person and think even if I believe in something different to you it doesn't matter so much but you just add to the stereo type of religious preachers who can't accept other opinions and talk utter nonsense.

Dear, if you were open minded, you would be considering some view points on here. You would be hopping from thread to thread arguing with people.
It's clear that you came here with your atheistic views, so what did you plan on accomplishing?

 

[psymon23]

I'm on 2 threads about the same thing and I have nothing against religion and believe it can do a lot of good for people, some people need faith in their life and whether your theories are right or wrong won't really matter in principle but I came on here to find out more and all I've realised is that there are a lot of Ignorant Bigoted individuals on here which is sad to see these days.

 

[jimmydiggs]

you said a bigot is "devoted to their position" but made no mention of prejudice or intolerance to other races, faiths or sexual beliefs not all people who are strong willed are bigoted individuals.

I'm not going to further contend this, as it's not important.

You don't know that Christ was ressurected and the cause of the universe is not God it's just a theory.

Evolution is just a theory.

OH NOES!!!


The ressurrection of Christ is a matter of historical analysis.

why does there have to be a cause?

Are you rejecting that all things that BEGIN to exist require a cause?

This is true from..
Something cannot come from nothing.
Otherwise, anything and everything could come from nothing.
Experience also confirms this as true. Do you know of anything that came from nothing?

 

[psymon23]

Do we really know the meaning of life? yes evolution is a theory too and I earlier stated that neither could be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and that's right. There is no historical evidence of a ressurection of Christ and that is fact.

 

[Honey12]

yep 7 billion sinful humans for sure. You are pointless to talk to I'm an open minded person and think even if I believe in something different to you it doesn't matter so much but you just add to the stereo type of religious preachers who can't accept other opinions and talk utter nonsense.

I'm on 2 threads about the same thing and I have nothing against religion and believe it can do a lot of good for people, some people need faith in their life and whether your theories are right or wrong won't really matter in principle but I came on here to find out more and all I've realised is that there are a lot of Ignorant Bigoted individuals on here which is sad to see these days.

If we're bigots, so are you.

It's obvious that homosexuality is a hot top in the Christian world. You should know there would be heated debate. So it's not the place to look for 'more'.

But I just want you to know, despite what some individuals may say, as Christians, true Christians, we don't hate homosexuals, regardless our stance on their life, we love them like any other brother or sister. We treat them just like the next person. What more can you ask?

 

[jimmydiggs]

I'm on 2 threads about the same thing and I have nothing against religion

You're arguing against it, so atleast you have something against it.

and believe it can do a lot of good for people, some people need faith in their life and whether your theories are right or wrong won't really matter in principle

Yeah it does, because it's truth. Truth is truth is truth.

If you don't think truth matters. I'm befuzzled (new word i think) as to why you're argueing against something you perceive to be false.

but I came on here to find out more and all I've realised is that there are a lot of Ignorant Bigoted individuals on here which is sad to see these days.

So Christians talking about the bible is such a terrible thing?

 

[psymon23]

I haven't generalized I have come across individuals who have very old fashioned views against homosexuals. How am I bigoted then? I'm contesting the truth of religion and if it is true it needs to prove itself to be so, you can tell me it's true till you're blue in the face that is not proof!

 

[jimmydiggs]

Do we really know the meaning of life?

Under Atheism, there is no meaning or purpose to life.
Under Christianity, to serve Christ.

yes evolution is a theory too and I earlier stated that neither could be proved beyond a reasonable doubt and that's right.

So you don't mind, if say, I doubt evolution?

There is no historical evidence of a ressurection of Christ and that is fact.

Yeah there is, I presented a list of materials on that. It is obvious now, that you aren't paying attention to what I say.

 

[Honey12]

I haven't generalized I have come across individuals who have very old fashioned views against homosexuals. How am I bigoted then? I'm contesting the truth of religion and if it is true it needs to prove itself to be so, you can tell me it's true till you're blue in the face that is not proof!

You have callus ignorant, narrow minded, and argued and argue that we're wrong. Like my opinion, you never asked how I feel on the subject? You just assumed it's the same as everyone else on the site.
By your definition, you're being a bigot.

Maybe we don't have the proof you're asking for? Do you have the proof that God's doesn't exist?
No, you don't either. So why call us wrong, and keep arguing it?

 

[jimmydiggs]

I haven't generalized I have come across individuals who have very old fashioned views against homosexuals.

I don't care if it's old. Truth doesn't decay with age.

How am I bigoted then?

Not sure who yu are responding to, but I personally said I wasn't going to contend with this as it doesn't matter.

I'm contesting the truth of religion and if it is true it needs to prove itself to be so, you can tell me it's true till you're blue in the face that is not proof!

I offered you philosophical arguments, and it seems you've skipped over them.

 

[psymon23]

How do you prove a negative? the burden of proof is on the person who claims something, If I didn't ask your view it's not because i'm a bigoted person it's because I was focusing on jimmy, so by all means tell me your views like I said previous I didn't generalise and I'm tolerant of your opinions. As far as doubting Evolution of course you can say that I fully expect you to, do either of you have any thoughts on evolution?

 

[Lad]

Jimmy, that philosophical argument is flawed, seeing as step 4 is just an assumption and opinion, the universe could infact have many different causes, eg a continuous stream of causes, a giant duck named bob, etc etc. We as christians, have faith in God based on facts, but the universes cause cannot be proven so it falls under faith not facts.

psymon, while i could argue with you about the proof of the resurrection, which there is, ill leave you to look it up for yourself. But I know that a stronger argument is the supernatural events surrounding Yeshuas death that cant be explained by science were seen by eyewitnesses and written down by unbiased, non christian historians of that day and age or around that time period.

 

[Honey12]

How do you prove a negative? the burden of proof is on the person who claims something, If I didn't ask your view it's not because i'm a bigoted person it's because I was focusing on jimmy, so by all means tell me your views like I said previous I didn't generalise and I'm tolerant of your opinions. As far as doubting Evolution of course you can say that I fully expect you to, do either of you have any thoughts on evolution?

Science claims it can...

Thoughts on evolution? I won't lie, i really don't know. I'm not very well educated on evolution, and I'm not especially well read on Genesis. But from what I do know, I think a form of evolution (not all aspects) could be true. Just because God didn't explain word for word, doesn't mean it didn't happen. I mean, could you imagine trying to explain that to people back then? Wouldn't have gone well.

 

[Lad]

How do you prove a negative? the burden of proof is on the person who claims something, If I didn't ask your view it's not because i'm a bigoted person it's because I was focusing on jimmy, so by all means tell me your views like I said previous I didn't generalise and I'm tolerant of your opinions. As far as doubting Evolution of course you can say that I fully expect you to, do either of you have any thoughts on evolution?

My thoughts on evolution is this, the 'big bang' was started by God and He used the light particles to form other elements and through those created the universe. He also used micro evolution to evolve species within species over time periods all originating from one source that was created using the elements mentioned above. eg. the diff types of wolves, dogs, hyenas, jackals etc all wouldve come from one canine. However i dont believe in macro evolution because i havent found any proof for it, biblically or scientifically.

 

[psymon23]

both your points are valid ones and the fact you don't dismiss it says a lot, I don't think God created the big bang if he has all this power and a supernatural being I think he could of created the Earth easier than that but it says he created everything within 7 days but that means he created man too but man didn't walk the Earth for a long time after. Ultimately is a question if we are all being honest we will never find the answer too but it does inflame passion inside of people no matter what faith or lack of you have. I do believe in evolution and think it's the right answer but honestly I hope I'm wrong I really do.