We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

[Jocund]

What bible are you reading? Where did you get this lie from. You my friend need to get the truth.

What did he say that was untruthful?

I see your claim but no explanation or substantiation.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What bible are you reading? Where did you get this lie from. You my friend need to get the truth.

Did you stop reading the thread after that post? Cause i don't think you would have asked and said that if you saw this: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-no-longer-chosen-people.203983/#post-4767849


i get it, you have guarded yourself, you like your view ...it lets you sin ..it doesn't end well though.

Premillennialism is thinking JESUS is going to Reign with a Rod of Iron …physically on earth for a thousand years …from Jerusalem. Premills want a beast king just like Jews wanted. They think some physical mark of the beast has to happen and for Jews to build a Temple on land they don’t even own. To top it off they hand The Covenant from Daniel’s 70 Weeks to the antichrist …sacrilegious.
They want some 1000 years where we have direct evidence of a physical GOD making Faith for SALVATION impossible.

Premillennialism is an elaborate excuse to avoid being a Citizen of The Kingdom today ...to be a Child of GOD ...to have a welcoming Temple for GOD'S Presence to be in. What do you think that Oil was about with the Parable of the Ten Virgins?

it's an excuse to not get Right with GOD. You tell yourself, "Oh, if i see that Temple being built or see a real mark of the beast, i'll stop sinning." You know a finite Reign with a physical GOD doesn't make any sense ...you just want to sin.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Kudos for posting that video. Well worth the watch from that 1:12:30 mark all the way to the end.

The only point that seemed questionable was the concept that hybridization disqualifies one from being a biological descendant (perhaps I am misunderstanding or poorly paraphrasing his point in that regard?). It certainly disqualifies one from being a pureblooded descendant, but he goes further to say that the modern Ashkenazi Talmudites have not even a single drop of authetic Israelite blood or genuine traceable geneology. And that all of the saved Israelites converted to Christianity early on.

While I agree with the possibility that only living Christians have true Israelite bloodline/ancestry, I also have no way to test or confirm that claim. But I also have no way to test whether the opposite might be the case either. If a nonChristian claimed to have Israelite ancestry, I would be unable to know one way or the other if that were true or not. But it would be a moot point either way as the New Covenant tells us that ancestry does not matter, only whether one is in Christ or not.

Aside from that one point on the knowability of the absence or presence of ancestry (which I don't necessarily disagree with, I just wish the subject was fleshed out more) I think that video clip was top quality. Thank you again for sharing.

JESUS made sure that any blood after 70 A.D. would never be confused with the blood that is required for The MESSIAH. "Jews", comically, think this type of blood is still possible today. They never stop and ask themselves why GOD hasn't Spoken to them for 2,000 years. Let's say someone does prove to have it ...what good are they without Atonement? You just can't be an authentic Jew anymore ...GOD made sure of it.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Guys and gals, i'm all fidgety and really want your thoughts in this other thread, the guy starts talking about Rev 20 and the Two Resurrections ...but i want to know if you think The Last Adam has something to do with it:

https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-found-in-amillennialism.203745/#post-4767382

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Why is it so impossible to get people to watch 5min of video?

have you ever considered the kingdom of Judah ? And when the Jews began to be called Jews ?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

have you ever considered the kingdom of Judah ? And when the Jews began to be called Jews ?

i think there is something weird with "Judahites" vs "Judaism".

Here is part of the youtube transcript, if you can't watch it:


73:54
to the religion of judaism
73:57
call themselves jews they are not
74:00
in judaism strange gods by michael
74:03
hoffman that we have carried for a
74:05
couple of years now which i'm very proud
74:08
to distribute
74:09
michael hoffman Christian scholar
74:12
documents the fact that judaism
74:15
is not the religion of the old testament
74:19
but it is an antichrist belief system of
74:22
the pharisees which arose in babylon
74:25
with the writing of the oral traditions
74:27
of the elders in the talmud
74:30
judaism is a name that they give to fool
74:34
Christians into thinking that this is
74:36
part of Old Testament
74:39
jewry
74:40
judaism is not
74:43
anything to do with Old Testament Israel
74:46
it is talmudism
74:49
judaism is talmudism
74:51
it is the doctrine of the pharisees
74:55
please understand
74:56
and you know of course the word judaism
74:58
does not appear one time
75:01
in the Bible at all

 

[Pilgrimshope]

i think there is something weird with "Judahites" vs "Judaism".

Here is part of the youtube transcript, if you can't watch it:


73:54
to the religion of judaism
73:57
call themselves jews they are not
74:00
in judaism strange gods by michael
74:03
hoffman that we have carried for a
74:05
couple of years now which i'm very proud
74:08
to distribute
74:09
michael hoffman Christian scholar
74:12
documents the fact that judaism
74:15
is not the religion of the old testament
74:19
but it is an antichrist belief system of
74:22
the pharisees which arose in babylon
74:25
with the writing of the oral traditions
74:27
of the elders in the talmud
74:30
judaism is a name that they give to fool
74:34
Christians into thinking that this is
74:36
part of Old Testament
74:39
jewry
74:40
judaism is not
74:43
anything to do with Old Testament Israel
74:46
it is talmudism
74:49
judaism is talmudism
74:51
it is the doctrine of the pharisees
74:55
please understand
74:56
and you know of course the word judaism
74:58
does not appear one time
75:01
in the Bible at all

I did watch it bro I just don’t see it the same as the video

what I’m saying is biblically there’s a definition of the Jews as a people and it’s defined by the promise to Abram the Hebrew and is brought to fruition by the law of Moses that’s all I’m getting at

the lord God created Judaism and it ran its course and served its purpose now Jews need to convert to Christianity or they are to be castaways and are indanger of being cursed as all
Men are who reject Jesus Christ jew or gentile

there’s no Difference either way gentuke os no better than a Jew and a Jew no better than a gentile we’re the same now everyone is chosen by the gospel we either respond or don’t being a Jew doesn’t have anything to do with anything

but this doesn’t discount that if there was no Jew there would be no Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews, from the tribe of Judah. The Jews were integral in spreading the word of God almost every writer in the Bible is a Jew

I think what happened was what prophets had said happened they waxed fat and said “ we’re the chosen God will never curse us like he said he’s too good he chose us “ so they started prophesying lies having sects and divisions among them and all along Gid kept earning them to repent and return to thier law but they wouldn’t and so he offered the messiah and they killed him

I’m not really sure brother for me it’s pretty clear that the Jewish people came from abrams blessing and then we’re cursed by breaking thier law leaving the land desolate and requiring a new covenant to be made

the validity or efficacy of Judaism has ended of course they like Gentiles have to and can only belong to God now if they repent and accept Jesus and the gospel his word of life and salvstion

so the validity or superiority of the Jew on earth is no more God no longer recognizes them as his people but they became his enemy actually

remember who it was that persecuted the church and apostles and Jesus and John the Baptist. Not a race of people that’s responsible but a people shaped by Jewish law. It was Gods design to bring abrahams promise to pass among all nations

 

[pittsburghjoe]

I did watch it bro I just don’t see it the same as the video

what I’m saying is biblically there’s a definition of the Jews as a people and it’s defined by the promise to Abram the Hebrew and is brought to fruition by the law of Moses that’s all I’m getting at

the lord God created Judaism and it ran its course and served its purpose now Jews need to convert to Christianity or they are to be castaways and are indanger of being cursed as all
Men are who reject Jesus Christ jew or gentile

there’s no Difference either way gentuke os no better than a Jew and a Jew no better than a gentile we’re the same now everyone is chosen by the gospel we either respond or don’t being a Jew doesn’t have anything to do with anything

but this doesn’t discount that if there was no Jew there would be no Jesus of Nazareth king of the Jews, from the tribe of Judah. The Jews were integral in spreading the word of God almost every writer in the Bible is a Jew

I think what happened was what prophets had said happened they waxed fat and said “ we’re the chosen God will never curse us like he said he’s too good he chose us “ so they started prophesying lies having sects and divisions among them and all along Gid kept earning them to repent and return to thier law but they wouldn’t and so he offered the messiah and they killed him

I’m not really sure brother for me it’s pretty clear that the Jewish people came from abrams blessing and then we’re cursed by breaking thier law leaving the land desolate and requiring a new covenant to be made

the validity or efficacy of Judaism has ended of course they like Gentiles have to and can only belong to God now if they repent and accept Jesus and the gospel his word of life and salvstion

so the validity or superiority of the Jew on earth is no more God no longer recognizes them as his people but they became his enemy actually

remember who it was that persecuted the church and apostles and Jesus and John the Baptist. Not a race of people that’s responsible but a people shaped by Jewish law. It was Gods design to bring abrahams promise to pass among all nations

i get that it all doesn't matter because they are not Saved anyways ...but you seem to think "Judaism" is Scriptural for some reason. The video said they used the term on purpose to trick you. i'm fighting for this because it could end the Premill's view. Why are they centered around current day Israel if it is filled with people only calling themselves Jews?

 

[Pilgrimshope]

It just occurred to me The Jews covenant is like ishmael the old covenant that made Jews , Jews was castaway like ishmael from abrahams house and inheritance

the covenant made them Jews and the covenant being like ishmael was cast out when the seed of promise came

So what I mean is the Jew is like ishmael , he was Abrahams son but when isaac was born ishmael and Hagar were cast out of abrahams house . That’s the old covenant which defines Jews being ishmael.

Christ and the gospel is like when Isaac was born only because God said he would be Isaac received all of abrahams inheritance and ishmael none so it is with the old and new covenant people the old covenant people the Jews and the new covenant people born of Christ and the promises of the gospel are the legitimate children

“For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;

the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

….Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭4:22-26, 30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jews are the children of the bond woman born at Sinai the flesh israel the flesh Jew and are engendered to bondage and servitude by their covenant of continuos frivolous works like ishmael they were illegitimate children proven when they killed Jesus.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

i get that it all doesn't matter because they are not Saved anyways ...but you seem to think "Judaism" is Scriptural for some reason. The video said they used the term on purpose to trick you. i'm fighting for this because it could end the Premill's view. Why are they centered around current day Israel if it is filled with people only calling themselves Jews?

no the term Judaism like I said earlier is something man made up to describe the religion of the Jews it’s like everything man makes up terms to describe things

If you want to say the Jewish religion in a word you say Judaism the Jewish form of religion

and yes brother lol I’m definately saying the Jewish religion is biblical it makes up the Old Testament ofnthe Bible

 

[Blik]

At your soonest convenience, please respond to post #34.

You ask who scripture tells us were the Jews.

God is eternal and so are his principles, yet God used our kind of time in dealing with the Jews. To further complicate it, God spoke of Jews spiritually, and at times spoke of them as a race. To further complicate it, actually Jews are only ethnic from Judah.

Spiritually, Jews are all the people who accept Christ. For the many years before Christ was literally crucified, belief in Christ was only done through the prophecy of Christ. Jesus fulfilled that prophecy. Jews believed in the forgiveness that system offered, and so were saved in sleep until they awoke as the curtain was split when Christ was crucified.

In Revelations 3 it speaks of a synagogue (Philadelphia) where each male member is circumcised, and based on the physical cut they say they are Jews, but the physical cut does not make them Jews. It must be a spiritual cutting away of flesh.

 

[JaumeJ]

If you are Messianic Jew ...that is fantastic and don't change anything ...but don't pretend a regular "Jew" is someone that praises GOD. Everything changed in 70 A.D. They don't get to call themselves "Jews" without a High Priest or Atonement. Did you skip this part of my post?:


Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 2:14-18
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

First what t is Abraham's seed today? Jews, according to its usage of the word today.
Now what is the true translation of Jew? Paul gives the description of a true Jew. However, when Leah gave birth to Judah, she named him so because she was prepared to Praise Yahweh, God. To be a Jew by translation is to be a true praiser of God.

All who believe in this understanding are true praisers of God, Jews.

It is available in the Word and through minor researching it linguistically.

The original assemblies were destroyed when mankind turned away from the faith of Abraham in favor of gentile only approaches to denominations.

 

[pottersclay]

Did you stop reading the thread after that post? Cause i don't think you would have asked and said that if you saw this: https://christianchat.com/bible-dis...-no-longer-chosen-people.203983/#post-4767849


i get it, you have guarded yourself, you like your view ...it lets you sin ..it doesn't end well though.

Premillennialism is thinking JESUS is going to Reign with a Rod of Iron …physically on earth for a thousand years …from Jerusalem. Premills want a beast king just like Jews wanted. They think some physical mark of the beast has to happen and for Jews to build a Temple on land they don’t even own. To top it off they hand The Covenant from Daniel’s 70 Weeks to the antichrist …sacrilegious.
They want some 1000 years where we have direct evidence of a physical GOD making Faith for SALVATION impossible.

Premillennialism is an elaborate excuse to avoid being a Citizen of The Kingdom today ...to be a Child of GOD ...to have a welcoming Temple for GOD'S Presence to be in. What do you think that Oil was about with the Parable of the Ten Virgins?

it's an excuse to not get Right with GOD. You tell yourself, "Oh, if i see that Temple being built or see a real mark of the beast, i'll stop sinning." You know a finite Reign with a physical GOD doesn't make any sense ...you just want to sin.

Oh that's just what we need...the gospel according to youtube.

I'd rather stick to the word of God according to revelation....where it is clearly written.

Just a word of warning.
I will bless those that bless you...and curse him that curse you....same God..same subject.

If God turned his back on Israel because of their failures. Then we live in glass houses and are about to get stoned.
God is not a convenant breaker. Wake up man.

 

[kaylagrl]

Because the Word says this

Gen 12:3
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”


Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.


Zech 2:8
For thus says the Lord of hosts, “After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Because the Word says this

Gen 12:3
I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”


Rom 11:28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers.


Zech 2:8
For thus says the Lord of hosts, “After glory He has sent me against the nations which plunder you, for he who touches you, touches the apple of His eye.

Who are these people that you think can call themselves "Jews" today?

Does anyone get what happened in 70 A.D.?

 

[kaylagrl]

Who are these people that you think can call themselves "Jews" today?

Does anyone get what happened in 70 A.D.?

No one here believes any of the foolishness you're posting. That's my answer.

 

[Jocund]

Oh that's just what we need...the gospel according to youtube.

I'd rather stick to the word of God according to revelation....where it is clearly written.

Just a word of warning.
I will bless those that bless you...and curse him that curse you....same God..same subject.

If God turned his back on Israel because of their failures. Then we live in glass houses and are about to get stoned.
God is not a convenant breaker. Wake up man.

Scripture directly answers your conjecture.

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" - Romans 9:6 KJV

By what measuring stick are you differentiating between true Jews and those that pretend to be Jews?

Who counts as a Jew? Who counts as Israel? Do you take someone's word on it, or is there a scriptural basis for this identification?

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Authentic Jews couldn't be Reborn like us ...they couldn't be spiritually resurrected like us ...they couldn't perceive the test we are in. If GOD Sealed a Jew, they had Faith in The City built without hands and were Later resurrected with/after CHRIST.

People that call themselves "Jews" today don't have access to the Image of The Last Adam because they REFUSE The High Priest, Lord JESUS CHRIST.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The City built without hands is The Kingdom of the Body of CHRIST. You can't be a Jew with Faith in It after JESUS Arrived!

 

[Edify]

Eph 2:11Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19So then you are no longer strangers and aliens,d but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God bye the Spirit.

Go back to the old paths.... read your Bibles, those of you who think Israel is cast off.
Romans 10:1 Brothers,a my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.b

Gee whiz, who wrote the 4 Gospels? Jews. Who was Paul? A Jew. Who do you think Peter preached to on the Day of Pentecost? Jews!

It's true there's other people besides Jews who are zealous for God but not according to knowledge.