We the new chosen people, are Jews no longer chosen people?

[Blik]

Scripture tells us we are chosen. 1 Peter 2: 8-9 "………They (Jews) stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for. 9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 10 Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; once you had not received mercy, but now you have received mercy “

"Those who belong to Christ are God’s chosen people: “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s descendants, heirs according to promise” (Galatians 3:26-29).

We are the new chosen people, but God has not rejected his people, they rejected God.

Romans 11:1-2 "I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the passage about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?"

We are to condemn the rejection of Christ that many Jews have done, but we are not to judge the people who reject Christ—we are to feel sorry for them. The Lord still blesses them for being the people he chose to show the idol worshiping nations who he is and how he works. We are asked to bless them for doing this. That does not mean that we are not to judge their acts of denying Christ.

 

[Moses_Young]

We are children of Abraham by grace through faith, just as the Jews were, and the remnant will be.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

To say Jews are going to wake is the exact same thing as saying atheists will wake.

People that call themselves "Jews" are just as lost as atheists or any religion that ignores King JESUS being right now.

"Jews" are not to be hated, but they are not GOD'S People. "Jews" have tricked you into thinking there is something special about them and that they only need to be woken, they are claiming ownership of the Torah when it doesn't belong to them. You don't get to make your own rules about what constitutes an authentic "Jew". JESUS left them desolate on purpose. 70 A.D. is something that changed the world.

Dispensational Premills have fake Jews at the core of their view ...it means it isn't right.

 

[studentoftheword]

We should all respect and be thankful to the Jews as if it wasn't for them being God's chosen Nation --we Gentiles would have not been grafted into the sheep fold -----God made a Covenant with His Chosen Nation and God honors that Covenant with them during the 7 year Tribulation ---He marks them and brings them through the tribulation unharmed ------as a matter of fact the Jews that do accept Jesus during the tribulation are sent to preach the Gospel to others -----Every jew today belongs to one of the 12 tribes of Israel ---and God honors His Chosen in the last days ------see verse 3 below


Revelation 7 NIV
144,000 Sealed

7 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:

3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000

 

[pittsburghjoe]

We should all respect and be thankful to the Jews as if it wasn't for them being God's chosen Nation --we Gentiles would have not been grafted into the sheep fold -----God made a Covenant with His Chosen Nation and God honors that Covenant with them during the 7 year Tribulation ---He marks them and brings them through the tribulation unharmed ------as a matter of fact the Jews that do accept Jesus during the tribulation are sent to preach the Gospel to others -----Every jew today belongs to one of the 12 tribes of Israel ---and God honors His Chosen in the last days ------see verse 3 below


Revelation 7 NIV
144,000 Sealed

7 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. 2 Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:

3 “Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.” 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000

You are right ...but somehow miss that this all went down around 70 A.D. ...when those Tribes were still a thing. And it's odd because i think only Judah and Benjamin were around at that point.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

Until the Temple was destroyed, which lineage did the Priest come from?
They clearly still existed, Levites.

 

[inukubo]

What does Scripture say? (Romans 11:25-32)

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

 

[studentoftheword]

.but somehow miss that this all went down around 70 A.D. ...when those Tribes were still a thing. And it's odd because i think only Judah and Benjamin were around at that point.

Well I say --you can think that but ----the 12 tribes are mentioned in Revelation which is in the FUTURE -and the Jews today came from one of the 12 Tribes ----many Jews do not know from what tribe they came from ---BUT God does ------you need to read the Book of Revelation to really understand the Love God shows for His Chosen Nation -----Revelation is all about God saving His Chosen Nation ---Israel ----

It is an amazing Book of GOD's LOVE __GRACE AND MERCY for His Jewish nation -----who rejected His Free gift of Salvation -----

 

[pittsburghjoe]

What does Scripture say? (Romans 11:25-32)

25 Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
27 “and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Kind of hard to wake non-existent Jews up when they don't even have a Covenant anymore.

Hebrews 8:13
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.


Hebrews 9:10
Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them UNTIL THE TIME OF REFORMATION.

Galatians 3:19
Wherefore then serveth the law? IT WAS ADDED BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSIONS, TILL THE SEED SHOULD COME to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

Galatians 3:25
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

The Remnant was 2,000 years ago.

"blindness in part " means part of the Jews of the day.

All Israel being saved is us ...that are in The Body of CHRIST. JESUS is ISRAEL.

Premills have a big ...big problem if this is saying JESUS is Israel:

Isaiah 49:3
And said unto me, Thou art my servant, O Israel, in whom I will be glorified.

See the surrounding Scripture to understand that It is.

Does the following sound like current day Israel has anything to do with eschatology?


John 4:20-24
Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.

21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Rabbis had a problem after 70 A.D., JESUS left them without a way to Atone. They had to cobble something together that sounded like a religion. JESUS is obviously the High Priest now, but they refuse Him. They wanted a physical beast king and to rule the planet …well, sorry, that’s not how this works.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:

“I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.”


Calling yourself a "Jew" doesn't mean anything anymore. There is no more sea. There is no more distinction.

Revelation 21:1
And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 2:14-18
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 

[inukubo]

You cannot interpret Israel as the modern day church in the context of Romans 11, because the entire section of chapters 9-11 Paul is specifically referring to ethnic Israel. It doesn't make sense any other way.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

You cannot interpret Israel as the modern day church in the context of Romans 11, because the entire section of chapters 9-11 Paul is specifically referring to ethnic Israel. It doesn't make sense any other way.

If you want the truth ...which i know you don't want, you would jump to 40 min in on this video and see if what he is saying is interesting:

 

[JaumeJ]

All who praise God are Jews, all. The original flock and those the Good Shepherd brought to be kept with the original. gentiles.

A Jew is anyone who praises God, Yahweh.

Yet we are warned to beware of those who "say" they are Jews and are not, rather they are a synagogue of Satan. :

Note", synagogue is taken from the Greek for an assembly or gathering. It was never used for a temple before the advent of Salvation, Jesus Yeshua.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

All who praise God are Jews, all. The original flock and those the Good Shepherd brought to be kept with the original. gentiles.

A Jew is anyone who praises God, Yahweh.

Yet we are warned to beware of those who "say" they are Jews and are not, rather they are a synagogue of Satan. :

Note", synagogue is taken from the Greek for an assembly or gathering. It was never used for a temple before the advent of Salvation, Jesus Yeshua.

If you are Messianic Jew ...that is fantastic and don't change anything ...but don't pretend a regular "Jew" is someone that praises GOD. Everything changed in 70 A.D. They don't get to call themselves "Jews" without a High Priest or Atonement. Did you skip this part of my post?:


Galatians 3:28-29
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Ephesians 2:14-18
Eph 2:14
For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15
Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16
And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17
And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18
For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19
Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
Eph 2:20
And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

 

[studentoftheword]

This is from David Jeremiah ---who is an end times Pastor


https://www.davidjeremiah.org/age-o...hat-preach-jesus-during-the-tribulationThough

Though His Spirit will not be holding back evil on the earth, God will preserve a remnant of His people to proclaim His Name during the Tribulation.

Jews Will Come to Christ in the Tribulation

In Revelation 7:2–4 John writes, "Then I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God. And he cried with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, saying, 'Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants of our God on their foreheads.' And I heard the number of those who were sealed. One hundred and forty–four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel were sealed" (emphasis added).
In the verses that follow, details are shared. From each of the twelve tribes, 12,000 will be sealed with God's protection during the seven years of Tribulation. These men, along with the two evangelists, are the only ones that will not be harmed during the judgment on earth.
Though these 144,000 Jews would have rejected Christ as Messiah, their eyes will be opened after the Tribulation, and they will spend the next seven years spreading the Gospel and stirring up the greatest revival man has ever seen (Revelation 7:12–15).

They Will Lead a Massive Revival
The Old Testament prophet Joel foresaw the result of the ministry of the 144,00 servants of God and described how they will be agents of the Holy Spirit's power in the Tribulation period:
(Joel 2:28—32)

The 144,000 Jewish men will be virgins, serving God without the distraction of relational ties. Their heart and soul will be poured into their ministry, just as Paul wrote to the Corinthians, "He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord—how he may please the Lord…. And this I say for your own profit, not that I may put a leash on you, but … that you may serve the Lord without distraction" (1 Corinthians 7:32, 35).

They Will Stand for Christ in the World of the Antichrist
Not only are they sealed with the Holy Spirit as every believer is promised, the witnesses are sealed with the Name of the Lord on their foreheads. This physical mark will protect them from the judgment that will be released when Jesus begins to open the seals (Revelation 7:3; 14:1). The mark of the Lord will stand in stark contrast to the Mark of the Beast. They will be servants of the Lord who will never bow to the Antichrist and his power. They will not be passive believers, hiding and running from the Antichrist's law. They will be bold and defiant, unashamedly preaching the Gospel. And God will protect them.

Even today and throughout history, when you are God's child, in God's will, you are immortal until God is finished with you. That doesn't mean that you should live life recklessly. But it does mean that God's plan prevails. He preserves His people for the ministry He has set before them.

They Will Be Preserved for All Seven Years of Preaching,
We don't know how it will happen exactly. But all 144,000 will survive the Tribulation by God's divine protection. Despite not taking the mark needed for buying food and necessities, and the war and bloodshed against those who do not follow the Antichrist, each of these men will live and proclaim the Gospel until the seven years is done.

Then I looked, and behold, a Lamb standing on Mount Zion, and with Him one hundred and forty–four thousand, having His Father's name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven, like the voice of many waters, and like the voice of loud thunder. And I heard the sound of harpists playing their harps. They sang as it were a new song before the throne, before the four living creatures, and the elders; and no one could learn that song except the hundred and forty–four thousand who were redeemed from the earth. (Revelation 14:1–3)

All 144,000 will stand with the Lord when their work is done. They will see the fruit of their labor in the number of souls in heaven and sing praises to God that only they will know.

What Does This Mean for Us Today?
God always fulfills His promises. He always preserves a remnant of His people. Even in the Tribulation, God will set apart His people to proclaim His Name and preserve His light in the world. We don't want to lean on the hope of tomorrow as an excuse to put off our salvation, because tomorrow is never guaranteed. But we can have hope that God is always in control of this world, that He is faithful to fulfill His promises. And from history to eternity, He will preserve a remnant of His people to glorify His Name until the earth is finally purified and evil is forever eradicated.

 

[studentoftheword]

We need to really read and study the Word ------we are great at just reading into scripture whatever we want to ---and to lazy to spend time researching what the Word really is saying ------sad but true ----

God made a covenant with Abraham who was and is a Jew and that Covenant with the Jewish people stands today -------and God honors it in the end times -----

 

[pittsburghjoe]

The Church is Israel

Galatians 6:15-16
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.

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“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
Isaiah‬ 24:5-6‬ KJV‬‬

 

[inukubo]

Pittsburgh, do you not see that you are directly violating the warning that Paul himself gave in 11:17-24?

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.

Do not despise those to whom the Covenant was given, even if the majority remain in unbelief and hardness of heart today. Rather, gratitude, fear, and -- above all -- humility is what Scripture calls for, especially knowing that it is ONLY by God's grace that you stand where you are today.

 

[pittsburghjoe]

Pittsburgh, do you not see that you are directly violating the warning that Paul himself gave in 11:17-24?

17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. 19 Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear.

Do not despise those to whom the Covenant was given, even if the majority remain in unbelief and hardness of heart today. Rather, gratitude, fear, and -- above all -- humility is what Scripture calls for, especially knowing that it is ONLY by God's grace that you stand where you are today.

You keep pretending 70 A.D. didn't happen.

i beg you, just watch 20min of that video starting at the 40min mark.

 

[Heaven_Bound]

If you want the truth ...which i know you don't want, you would jump to 40 min in on this video and see if what he is saying is interesting:

This guy said there are no more living blood relatives of Abraham left. Yet, even if we remove the Jews, whom the Sephardims can trace their Ancestry back before 70 A.D., we still have Abraham's offspring from Ishmael, and his children's offspring from Keturah that makes up the entire Middle East.

This Chuck Baldwin is as bright as a burnt out bulb broken into a thousand pieces!

 

[Nehemiah6]

We are to condemn the rejection of Christ that many Jews have done, but we are not to judge the people who reject Christ—we are to feel sorry for them.

Correct. They have judged themselves.

Getting back to the issue of "God's Chosen People" it is now the Church (redeemed Jews and Gentiles in one Body) which is deemed to be the Royal Priesthood by God. But all Christ-rejecting Jews will be in Hell.

At the same time we need to look beyond the Church Age. A day will come when the "fulness of the Gentiles" is fulfilled, and the Church is raptured to Heaven. God will then begin His direct dealings with all Jews worldwide. And as we see in Romans 11 "all Israel shall be saved". This does not mean every Jew, but it does mean every tribe of the twelve tribes of Israel (as noted in Revelation 7 and 14, and Ezekiel 48). According to Scripture only one-third of all Jewry worldwide will be saved after the Second Coming of Christ.

And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the LORD, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein. And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The LORD is my God. (Zech 13:8,9)