Are curses still relevant to the Christians?
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From the study I have made, using multiple sources, you are correct. It is only through Christ that demons can be ejected, they will not listen to anything else.
Once demons have established themselves it is very difficult to get rid of them. The rules the exorcists I have read about all said it takes a team of strong Christians and is dangerous. They spend hours struggling with the demons.
A Christian missionary who worked in South America where there was voodoo told of a team working for about six hours with one lady who was under a curse. They were exhausted when they were finally done.
Demons do not look to see if you are in Christ, they watch to see if you accept a sin as OK. They look at a person's repentance. People who preach against the spirit of the law are very dangerous. To accept sin as perfectly OK opens people to being influenced by demons.
Once demons have established themselves it is very difficult to get rid of them. The rules the exorcists I have read about all said it takes a team of strong Christians and is dangerous. They spend hours struggling with the demons.
A Christian missionary who worked in South America where there was voodoo told of a team working for about six hours with one lady who was under a curse. They were exhausted when they were finally done.
Demons do not look to see if you are in Christ, they watch to see if you accept a sin as OK. They look at a person's repentance. People who preach against the spirit of the law are very dangerous. To accept sin as perfectly OK opens people to being influenced by demons.
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Depends on what is meant by curses. There is certainly the principle of sowing and reaping. For example, the best way to lose a job is to complain about it constantly. God may well remove his favour and blessing. Then the individual has something else to complain about, unemployment.
Unforgiveness is a major source of blight on a Christian's life. So is unconfessed sin. It's not so much being cursed as it is God's blessing being removed. For sure it can seem as if you are cursed. We need God's blessing in every aspect of life.
Something controversial is the idea of soul prayer. This is when a Christian prays against an individual, contrary to God's will and without using the name of Jesus. I met a woman who asked God to kill her husband because she considered him spiritually inferior. He did indeed die. What I believe happens is that God will not answer such a prayer. However, Satan surely can. If the victim is not alert spiritually, if he does not believe in spiritual warfare, he may suffer in line with the prayer.
Something we pray from time is for God to cause the Destroyer to pass over us, as in Egypt. We plead the blood of Christ over our lives and ask on that basis.
Unforgiveness is a major source of blight on a Christian's life. So is unconfessed sin. It's not so much being cursed as it is God's blessing being removed. For sure it can seem as if you are cursed. We need God's blessing in every aspect of life.
Something controversial is the idea of soul prayer. This is when a Christian prays against an individual, contrary to God's will and without using the name of Jesus. I met a woman who asked God to kill her husband because she considered him spiritually inferior. He did indeed die. What I believe happens is that God will not answer such a prayer. However, Satan surely can. If the victim is not alert spiritually, if he does not believe in spiritual warfare, he may suffer in line with the prayer.
Something we pray from time is for God to cause the Destroyer to pass over us, as in Egypt. We plead the blood of Christ over our lives and ask on that basis.
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People equate curses to God and evil for example, in the OT
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
New International Version
26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— 27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; 28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.
Some blame Demons or Satan but in the OT it seems curses came from disobeying God.
These are supernatural in nature.
As a modern Christian I do not see this type of discipline for a Christian afterall we are redeemed, justified, and there is now no condemnation. It is only a reap and sow response.
Paul was given a thorn in the flesh by Satan, was that a curse?
God allowed it, same with Job.
I also see once you become a Christian, you may still deal with generational problems due to past damage with the genes. Nothing like a curse but simply a byproduct of a fallen world.
People equate curses to God and evil for example, in the OT
Deuteronomy 11:26-28
New International Version
26 See, I am setting before you today a blessing and a curse— 27 the blessing if you obey the commands of the Lord your God that I am giving you today; 28 the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known.
Some blame Demons or Satan but in the OT it seems curses came from disobeying God.
These are supernatural in nature.
As a modern Christian I do not see this type of discipline for a Christian afterall we are redeemed, justified, and there is now no condemnation. It is only a reap and sow response.
Paul was given a thorn in the flesh by Satan, was that a curse?
God allowed it, same with Job.
I also see once you become a Christian, you may still deal with generational problems due to past damage with the genes. Nothing like a curse but simply a byproduct of a fallen world.
P
Blessings and cursings are true or God would of not said so.
As our technology has evolved we see that hereditary deficits can be found in dna structure.
Mental illness, alcoholism, diabetes, cancer ect can be detected and make one more prone.
Spiritual curses spoken hexes are also relavent. Powers of darkness and evil.
Jobs wife....curse God and die.
Paul asked the galatians...who has bewitched you?
The story of baalam.
He who hangs from a tree is cursed.
God cursed the ground in genesis.
Some examples.
I agree not much is known but they do exist. Remembering that God does not use or allow these things to destroy but to redeem is what we must focus on.
Affliction is a purging process that God does use and has in the past.
God controls all things for his glory.
As our technology has evolved we see that hereditary deficits can be found in dna structure.
Mental illness, alcoholism, diabetes, cancer ect can be detected and make one more prone.
Spiritual curses spoken hexes are also relavent. Powers of darkness and evil.
Jobs wife....curse God and die.
Paul asked the galatians...who has bewitched you?
The story of baalam.
He who hangs from a tree is cursed.
God cursed the ground in genesis.
Some examples.
I agree not much is known but they do exist. Remembering that God does not use or allow these things to destroy but to redeem is what we must focus on.
Affliction is a purging process that God does use and has in the past.
God controls all things for his glory.
We are perfected through Christ and our sins are forgotten.
Anything in the OT that could of led to a curse can now for the Christian who stumbles in their faith will now reap Earhly consequences and a self inflicted damage to the relationship between the believer and God. In this age of grace we see a totally different way to discipline. The Holy Spirit now convicts us as like a conscience that will not allow us to feel okay with any sin.
I believe now we are only attacked by the world and spiritual forces against us but not in us. Satan may have wanted to attack Peter but Jesus prevented it.
We are actually promised this life will be difficult. None of the apostles or early church had it easy and in fact the victory was mostly seen in the Kingdom to come.
The same hardships related to a curse can be misguided to have people think if they are not healed, see prosperity, etc they are not faithful, have the power, or not worthy to defeat the curse.
It sounds like extra theology on top of a simple truth. Just submit to Jesus in all things and you will be okay, spiritually if not physically.
Anything in the OT that could of led to a curse can now for the Christian who stumbles in their faith will now reap Earhly consequences and a self inflicted damage to the relationship between the believer and God. In this age of grace we see a totally different way to discipline. The Holy Spirit now convicts us as like a conscience that will not allow us to feel okay with any sin.
I believe now we are only attacked by the world and spiritual forces against us but not in us. Satan may have wanted to attack Peter but Jesus prevented it.
We are actually promised this life will be difficult. None of the apostles or early church had it easy and in fact the victory was mostly seen in the Kingdom to come.
The same hardships related to a curse can be misguided to have people think if they are not healed, see prosperity, etc they are not faithful, have the power, or not worthy to defeat the curse.
It sounds like extra theology on top of a simple truth. Just submit to Jesus in all things and you will be okay, spiritually if not physically.
I hear what you're saying. According to Colossians 2:9-15, Satan is defeated. I could very well be wrong here, for even Paul said that a messenger of Satan was sent to buffet him, but this doesn't mean necessarily an attack or a curse. When the seventy returned from casting out demons and healing, etc., Jesus said that He saw satan falling from the sky like lightening bolts. That's defeat in a person's life.
So, I tend to believe that hardship in life is designed to keep us dependent upon the Lord. We are told that we must Endure, a most Holy Word, so this means that hardship will ensue. But is this Satan or is this God Transforming us . . . Holy Discipline? I would tend to say that God is constantly Disciplining me to keep me humble, quiet, if not "lowly." Why would the Lord do this? I would say that He does so, so that we will focus on how His Grace is sufficient for us. And what is the ultimate sense of Grace? Circumcision of the heart . . . the removal of the Curse of the Lord so that we would be made Right with the Eternal I AM.
2 Corinthians 12:7-9 KJV - "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
Exodus 33:19 KJV - "And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."
Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... 13 "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."
So, I tend to believe that hardship in life is designed to keep us dependent upon the Lord. We are told that we must Endure, a most Holy Word, so this means that hardship will ensue. But is this Satan or is this God Transforming us . . . Holy Discipline? I would tend to say that God is constantly Disciplining me to keep me humble, quiet, if not "lowly." Why would the Lord do this? I would say that He does so, so that we will focus on how His Grace is sufficient for us. And what is the ultimate sense of Grace? Circumcision of the heart . . . the removal of the Curse of the Lord so that we would be made Right with the Eternal I AM.
2 Corinthians 12:7-9 KJV - "And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me."
Exodus 33:19 KJV - "And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy."
Colossians 2:11, 13 NLT - "When you came to Christ, you were "circumcised," but not by a physical procedure. Christ performed a spiritual circumcision--the cutting away of your sinful nature." ... 13 "You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ, for he forgave all our sins."
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We shouldn't believe what we want. We should only believe what is. Perception, life experience, or emotional events can be different but what matters is can something be defended by scripture.
Someone can defend it easily using the Old Testament. But can it be defended under the New Testament, under a new covenant? That is debated.
Someone can defend it easily using the Old Testament. But can it be defended under the New Testament, under a new covenant? That is debated.