No, the earth is not flat

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I'm still not getting your point. Forgive me.
What would happen to your skin if it were heated up and then cooled down repeatedly? First, it would be sunburned and then frozen. Then repeat this day after day, year after year, decade after decade. Physical material decays and cannot endure such harsh conditions. Does that help? Sorry, I'm not very good at this stuff. :)
 
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What would happen to your skin if it were heated up and then cooled down repeatedly? First, it would be sunburned and then frozen. Then repeat this day after day, year after year, decade after decade. Physical material decays and cannot endure such harsh conditions. Does that help? Sorry, I'm not very good at this stuff. :)
Actually you are very good at it. I'm just missing the conclusion you wish to draw. Could you clarify that?
 

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Actually you are very good at it. I'm just missing the conclusion you wish to draw. Could you clarify that?
Yep. This all started with what was written on the earlier page . . .

"There are no photographs of a globe Earth. The next-gen satellite just launched on Christmas won't be giving us any either. Officially, the back of the satellite is covered with sensitive electronics which would be damage by direct sunlight, so the satellite will sit at the Lagrange point and NEVER turn to face the Earth. How about that."
 
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Ok - what point are you drawing from that?
 

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Since the earth whips around the sun once per year, why wouldn't we all get an eventual 360 view of the night sky?

Again, I'm not trying to be a jerk. This is a serious question that I don't know the answer to. I'm not trying to trap anyone.
Short answer, because the earth doesn't flip upside down. It tilts a bit on it's axis but it doesn't flip over.

Think of it like this: take a big empty box and uniquely decorate the inside by drawing little pictures all over it. Then imagine pinning a big ball somewhere in the middle of that box (our substitute sun), and attaching a little ball (our earth) to that big ball with a rod stuck into a collar that goes around the big ball which allows the little ball to spin freely around the big ball. all the bacteria on the top of the little ball will never see the pictures on the bottom of the box and vice a versa.

And if you build one of these, we want pictures.
 

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And if you build one of these, we want pictures.
Haha . . . I won't be building one.

But here's the thing: Let's say that I'm on the inside of the earth but to the "right" of the sun. If I'm on the inside, I'll see all that is to the left. But as the earth whips to the complete other side, the left side, in about half the year, you now get the view of what's on the right. I don't see how the earth needs to flip. And so it goes if one is on the outside of the earth. When you're on either side of the sun, your view changes, and I can't imagine it being any other way. I mean, this is a visual one can create within their own mind. :)
 

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Haha . . . I won't be building one.

But here's the thing: Let's say that I'm on the inside of the earth but to the "right" of the sun. If I'm on the inside, I'll see all that is to the left. But as the earth whips to the complete other side, the left side, in about half the year, you now get the view of what's on the right. I don't see how the earth needs to flip. And so it goes if one is on the outside of the earth. When you're on either side of the sun, your view changes, and I can't imagine it being any other way. I mean, this is a visual one can create within their own mind. :)
Yes and I think both hemispheres show some seasonal variation in the constellations (though all I'm super clear on is that I can't see orion in the summer but seems like it's always there in the winter. ) And my example was limited because everything is moving ( earth is spinning on its axis and moving around the sun, sun is orbiting the center of the galaxy (I think but not sure of that), galaxy is moving relative to other galaxies (which I think are all far enough away they look like stars), etc).
 

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Yes and I think both hemispheres show some seasonal variation in the constellations (though all I'm super clear on is that I can't see orion in the summer but seems like it's always there in the winter. ) And my example was limited because everything is moving ( earth is spinning on its axis and moving around the sun, sun is orbiting the center of the galaxy (I think but not sure of that), galaxy is moving relative to other galaxies (which I think are all far enough away they look like stars), etc).
I hear you. Honestly, I don't know that we're spinning around the sun. I have no idea. The fact that we're told that we're in the middle of a super-bright galaxy, yet it's pitch black out here in Wenatchee Washington at night . . . it makes no sense. All my life I have noted that the closer I am to a source of light, the brighter it is (headlights, flashlights, even a candle flame). I've noted that the further away I get from light, the less likely I'm able to see it until it is truly gone. Incredibly, the light of our galaxy can only be seen if a person were a bajillion light-years away. Seriously . . . why aren't we calling bullcrapio on this stuff?

I guess that I'm reaching a stage in my life where I've begun to think for myself. No longer do I believe in what "man" says, but I now tend to believe in what seems reasonable and rational to me. I don't trust people because "they" said something. At some point, I think that it's wise that everyone takes this stance, and if we don't, we might believe even the things I say!

Did you know that at the edge of the universe that there is a six-foot wall of cement?

See what I mean? Why believe what I just said about the six-foot wall of cement? Just because someone makes a claim doesn't mean that it's true.
 
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I hear you. Honestly, I don't know that we're spinning around the sun. I have no idea. The fact that we're told that we're in the middle of a super-bright galaxy, yet it's pitch black out here in Wenatchee Washington at night . . . it makes no sense. All my life I have noted that the closer I am to a source of light, the brighter it is (headlights, flashlights, even a candle flame). I've noted that the further away I get from light, the less likely I'm able to see it until it is truly gone. Incredibly, the light of our galaxy can only be seen if a person were a bajillion light-years away. Seriously . . . why aren't we calling bullcrapio on this stuff?

I guess that I'm reaching a stage in my life where I've begun to think for myself. No longer do I believe in what "man" says, but I now tend to believe in what seems reasonable and rational to me. I don't trust people because "they" said something. At some point, I think that it's wise that everyone takes this stance, and if we don't, we might believe even the things I say!

Did you know that at the edge of the universe that there is a six-foot wall of cement?

See what I mean? Why believe what I just said about the six-foot wall of cement? Just because someone makes a claim doesn't mean that it's true.
Here's a freebie. I though of this one for myself. Maybe not the first person to do so, but I was really tickled when it struck me.

Modern scientism says that because the Sun is so far away, its rays must come to the Earth in parallel. This is a major cornerstone of modern scientism; if it is not true, Eratosthenes' work was meaningless. But here's the thing... we can 100% prove that the Sun's rays DO NOT reach the Earth in parallel.

Did you ever build a pinhole camera/viewer in science class when you were in school? This is a simple device for viewing the Sun or a solar eclipse that can be made with a cardboard box, tinfoil, and tape. A pinhole is made in the tinfoil at one end of the box. This pinhole aperture is then pointed at the Sun to project an image at the back of the box, allowing you to view the Sun or eclipse indirectly. It's pretty cool! I made one when I was a kid. You can see images on Google.

Thing is, this device WOULD NOT WORK if the Sun's rays were coming in to the Earth in parallel. Parallel rays would simply come through the pinhole aperture and project a pinprick of light on the back of the box the same size as the pinhole aperture. It is because the Sun's rays are NOT reaching the Earth in parallel that this device works and projects an image that is bigger than the pinhole!

Man, it was such a rush to debunk a dogmatic claim of scientism that has deceived people for millennia! :D
 

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Here's a freebie. I though of this one for myself. Maybe not the first person to do so, but I was really tickled when it struck me.

Modern scientism says that because the Sun is so far away, its rays must come to the Earth in parallel. This is a major cornerstone of modern scientism; if it is not true, Eratosthenes' work was meaningless. But here's the thing... we can 100% prove that the Sun's rays DO NOT reach the Earth in parallel.

Did you ever build a pinhole camera/viewer in science class when you were in school? This is a simple device for viewing the Sun or a solar eclipse that can be made with a cardboard box, tinfoil, and tape. A pinhole is made in the tinfoil at one end of the box. This pinhole aperture is then pointed at the Sun to project an image at the back of the box, allowing you to view the Sun or eclipse indirectly. It's pretty cool! I made one when I was a kid. You can see images on Google.

Thing is, this device WOULD NOT WORK if the Sun's rays were coming in to the Earth in parallel. Parallel rays would simply come through the pinhole aperture and project a pinprick of light on the back of the box the same size as the pinhole aperture. It is because the Sun's rays are NOT reaching the Earth in parallel that this device works and projects an image that is bigger than the pinhole!

Man, it was such a rush to debunk a dogmatic claim of scientism that has deceived people for millennia! :D
I must say, I enjoyed your post. However, the science aspect of it went straight over my head. haha

What [did] make me laugh, though, was your opening statement of . . .

"Here's a freebie." - I knew straight away that it was going to be good. :D
 
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I must say, I enjoyed your post. However, the science aspect of it went straight over my head. haha

What [did] make me laugh, though, was your opening statement of . . .

"Here's a freebie." - I knew straight away that it was going to be good. :D
Well, if you are ever bored, you can look up a video on how to make a pinhole viewer to see the sun indirectly. :D It's easy and fun.
I might do it myself soon if I have some free time... relive my childhood, hehehe :p
 

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The fact that we're told that we're in the middle of a super-bright galaxy, yet it's pitch black out here in Wenatchee Washington at night . . . it makes no sense. All my life I have noted that the closer I am to a source of light, the brighter it is (headlights, flashlights, even a candle flame). I've noted that the further away I get from light, the less likely I'm able to see it until it is truly gone. Incredibly, the light of our galaxy can only be seen if a person were a bajillion light-years away. Seriously . . . why aren't we calling bullcrapio on this stuff?
It's like when a car is coming toward you at night with it's headlights on. When it's really far away the two headlights look like one light until it gets close enough for your eyes to separate the two (also similar to how close all the city lights look from an airplane even those they're quite a few feet away (or more) from each other when you're down on the ground. So we see the light of our galaxy as the light of each individual star, but an observer very far away sees them all merged together as one point of light. Which is why we see other glaxies as looking like a single star but ours as stars (or if you're in the right spot (which I think is usually in the southern hemisphere) looking back towards the center a whole band of brightness across the night sky.
 

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Well, if you are ever bored, you can look up a video on how to make a pinhole viewer to see the sun indirectly. :D It's easy and fun.
I might do it myself soon if I have some free time... relive my childhood, hehehe :p
I've tried multiple times . . . it just makes a dot in the back of the box. lol
 

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It's like when a car is coming toward you at night with it's headlights on. When it's really far away the two headlights look like one light until it gets close enough for your eyes to separate the two (also similar to how close all the city lights look from an airplane even those they're quite a few feet away (or more) from each other when you're down on the ground. So we see the light of our galaxy as the light of each individual star, but an observer very far away sees them all merged together as one point of light. Which is why we see other glaxies as looking like a single star but ours as stars (or if you're in the right spot (which I think is usually in the southern hemisphere) looking back towards the center a whole band of brightness across the night sky.
I hear you, but if each individual light disappears when you get away from it, how do they magically appear when they're a pagrillion miles away? It makes knew sense at all. :D
 
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I hear you, but if each individual light disappears when you get away from it, how do they magically appear when they're a pagrillion miles away? It makes knew sense at all. :D
And I'm still waiting for my super high definition photo of the globe Earth. Any news on that, NASA? :D
 

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And I'm still waiting for my super high definition photo of the globe Earth. Any news on that, NASA? :D
There's a guy in his bedroom with a vast array of empty beer cans on the floor . . . working on it.