TONGUES false teaching.

[SomeDisciple]

from a year ago

I guess one revolution around the sun illustrates this timeless piece of septic tank sediment is still popular with the man made religion crowd

ho hum

Interesting, considering this thread was resurrected after being dead for 6 months by people that speak in tongues.

I don't think anyone actually agrees with the OP, but the title makes for good topical discussion. I think it's a subject that people need to talk about once in a while- Personally, I'm not a cessationist, so I believe in spiritual gifts- but you hear a LOT of different explanations of tongues from a lot of different people. This thread is the first time I've ever seen someone claim they actually saw 'tongues as of fire' descend on them... Not saying the person was making stuff up, but its the first time (besides the account of Acts, obviously). I could see God doing that for converts from Judaism, I suppose. It would be pretty awesome to see, honestly.

 

[JTB]

Interesting, considering this thread was resurrected after being dead for 6 months by people that speak in tongues.

I don't think anyone actually agrees with the OP, but the title makes for good topical discussion. I think it's a subject that people need to talk about once in a while- Personally, I'm not a cessationist, so I believe in spiritual gifts- but you hear a LOT of different explanations of tongues from a lot of different people. This thread is the first time I've ever seen someone claim they actually saw 'tongues as of fire' descend on them... Not saying the person was making stuff up, but its the first time (besides the account of Acts, obviously). I could see God doing that for converts from Judaism, I suppose. It would be pretty awesome to see, honestly.

Dead threads get resurrected from time to time. I think they pop up in a search or on a page and people don't realize how old they are.

 

[Absolutely]

from a year ago

I guess one revolution around the sun illustrates this timeless piece of septic tank sediment is still popular with the man made religion crowd

ho hum

That was more than lol.
A nice belly laugh.
Glad you are back

 

[studentoftheword]

Title of This Thread ------
TONGUES false teaching.


Speaking in tongues is alive and well today and is NOT A FALSE TEACHING -------------This Gift is a very Special gift that is given by and through the Holy Spirit ----It is one of the 9 gifts of the Spirit -----

I say --------After I became Born Again the Padre and His wife took me to the church and anointed me with oil and prayer that I would have the gift of tongues -----they both had this gift told me that when a situation arose that I didn't know the words to pray about it ---Praying in tongues is the way as you speak directly to God and He knows what you are praying as the Holy Spirit is actually doing the praying for you -----

The Spirit intercedes for us ------

I use this gift a lot and sometimes tears will stream down my face and such a peace will come over me that when I am finished praying I feel so uplifed and so much Closer to my Father in Heaven ------

When my son was in Afghanistan ---who is a BOMB Technician I prayed every day in tongues that he would return home safe and sound ----One day I got a call from his Commanding Officer that my son's Tank was hit head on by a car bomber and all 5 guys came out of that alive ------my son had some burns on his wrists but he was OK -------

So for me tongues is truly a gift that is very real and very useful today -----

I do not believe in all the spooky pooky falling down --laughing ----being slain in the spirit and all the rest of the loopla ----that you see in some Religions ----to me is not from God ----no where in scripture does it say that we are to have visual displays of fits of laughter ----or falling backwards to the floor ----etc -----crazy spooky pooky stuff ------that I would tell people to Run Forest Run from -------

So we can believe or disbelieve ---that is our choice -------IF we disbelieve in tongues which is one of the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit then we can't believe in any of the gifts -----which are listed

! Corinthians 12 NiV

4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit distributes them. 5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord. 6 There are different kinds of working, but in all of them and in everyone it is the same God at work.
7 Now to each one the manifestation of the Spirit is given for the common good.

8 To one there is given through the Spirit a message of wisdom,

to another a message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,

9 to another faith by the same Spirit,

to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,

10 to another miraculous powers,

to another prophecy,

to another distinguishing between spirits,

to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a]

and to still another the interpretation of tongues.

11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he distributes them to each one, just as he determines.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

This video is actually a medical experiment that was carried out by a DR taking a brain scan of a person praying in English and then praying in tongues ----which showed the frontal lobe to be less active when speaking in tongues -----

Believe it or Not ------
Speaking in Tongues Medical Study proves Holy Spirit praying

 

[SophieT]

Interesting, considering this thread was resurrected after being dead for 6 months by people that speak in tongues.

I don't think anyone actually agrees with the OP, but the title makes for good topical discussion. I think it's a subject that people need to talk about once in a while- Personally, I'm not a cessationist, so I believe in spiritual gifts- but you hear a LOT of different explanations of tongues from a lot of different people. This thread is the first time I've ever seen someone claim they actually saw 'tongues as of fire' descend on them... Not saying the person was making stuff up, but its the first time (besides the account of Acts, obviously). I could see God doing that for converts from Judaism, I suppose. It would be pretty awesome to see, honestly.

three are many threads on tongues in this forum, so you should be busy

 

[SophieT]

That was more than lol.
A nice belly laugh.
Glad you are back

thanks

but when was I gone?

 

[studentoftheword]

There is a better gift to have than speaking in tongues Folks -----as the personal gift of tongues only edifies the individual and if one uses tongues in a Church setting they should have the gift of interpretation as well as it would do no good for the minister to speak in tongues to the congregation who has not this gift as it would be of no understanding to them ------

The gift of Prophecy is the better gift as it edifies and encourages the whole Church not just the one person ------

But the Greatest Gift of all is the Gift of Agape which is the First fruit of the Spirit ------So We are to pursue Agape --------and through our Agape for God and Neighbour we should Earnestly Desire the Gifts of the Spirit -----

 

[Nehemiah6]

You left out Greek.

While the NT was written in Greek, communications were in Aramaic or Hebrew since that was the native language in Palestine.

 

[Absolutely]

thanks

but when was I gone?

I may have confused you with seven seas rekeyed

 

[SophieT]

I may have confused you with seven seas rekeyed

I have been confused with worse and once someone actually reported me for being a banned member that came back

yeah

not me

 

[CS1]

Merry Christmas to all God bless

 

[TDidymas]

Almost all other Pentecostals such as the Assemblies of God and many nondenominational churches believe that speaking in tongues is available for all believers but not required for salvation. They teach that the Holy Spirit is given when one is born again. They teach that there is an Empowering of the Holy Spirit to be a witness and with it comes the gift of tongues freely available to all saints.

"Available for all believers" and "freely available to all saints" is unbiblical, even if Paul said "I would..." The gifts of the Spirit are given as He wills, not as the desiree wills. "Do all speak in tongues" is proof that the Spirit never intended to give everyone that gift.

This idea that those who have the gift of tongues are saying that they are an elite group is not logical.

And yet, many who do it treat those who don't as second-class, ignorant, and outside the 'inner circle'.

If I pray an hour a day for the Lord to anoint me with the Holy Spirit and use me in ministry do you think that He would do it? What if another brother never prays, do you think it is possible that his ministry might be less effective?

Do you think it is possible that the latter brother's ministry might be more effective? If the person prays an hour in meaningless repetition, what good is it? Imagination of something while saying random syllables doesn't constitute praying any more than a person saying nothing but thinking to God.

When people in your church see this phenomenon they do not say "My faith is destroyed" they say "Look, just like in the book of Acts" and their faith is encouraged.

I don't know who "they" are, but I'm not encouraged in my faith around modern tongues.

I get that you're trying, and you do exercise restraint in your language, and I commend you for that.

 

[Knowledged]

If you have attended as many Pentecostal church meetings as I have you will agree that what is seen in all of them is the habit of "SPEAKING" in Tongues.

It is a method of speaking in such a way that no one understands what is said.
No one interprets what is muttered.
Women it seems are the ones who do most of the "Tongues" noises.

Now, allow me to say that I have been there and done that. However as I grew older and actually READ what the Bible says it becmae very clear that what is seen today is NOT BIBLICAL tongues as recorded in the Bible.

So then, instead of just accepting what we have been told or doing what we WANT to do, shall we actually see what the Bible does it fact say??????

Acts 2:7-11............

"And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." ​

Notice the phrase in Acts 2:11, "our tongues." The crowds heard the Apostles preach in their own native tongues, not some unknown heavenly jibber jabber. There was NEVER any heavenly languages spoken that no one understood and required an interpreter.

There is a drastic difference between Biblical tongues and the heretical speaking in tongues we see in churches today.

The "speaking in tongues" which the Pentecostals foolishly practice are UNKNOWN tongues, not anything found on earth. Supposedly, those unknown tongues can only be interpreted by ONE spirit-filled member of the congregation.

The Apostle Paul speaks common sense to us Corinthians 14:19...
"Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."

Now before replying to this post from an "Emotional" response, and actually that is what speaking in tongues is, an EMOTIONAL event, take the time to do the work first.

Read 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14. Anyone can see that they are "Corrective" Chapters from Paul to the church and the CONTEXT is .....ready.....
Speaking in tongues".

Now that being the correct hermeneutical point then notice carefully chapter 14:34........
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. "

Literally....the CONTEXT demands that "women are not permitted to speak in TONGUES in church".

Without women speaking in tongues there is then in fact no tongues movement at all.

​

Totally agree! Finally somebody that knows the Bible!

1 Corinthians 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1 Corinthians 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
Tongues just means language not that gibberish that’s just a very poor performance!
they don’t even know what they said. When you are teaching Gods people you suppose to give the since.

Nehemiah 8:8 So they read in the book in the law of God distinctly, and gave the sense, and caused them to understand the reading.

 

[Knowledged]

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. No women Pastors!

Ezekiel 34:31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD
The Lord said his Pastors are Men.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Not to be over the Congregation or have any authority over the Man.

This is the order: God, Christ Man and Woman
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

You have A very important role to play but you falling miserably! Looking at these women out here
Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accusers, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;
Titus 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,
Titus 2:5 To be discreet, chaste, keepers at home, good, obedient to their own husbands, that the word of God be not blasphemed.
Older Women should be teaching the younger Women. To love the Husbands
God doesn’t allow any boyfriend and girlfriends, friend with benefits none of that foolishess!
It looks like your following them, gramma ain‘t baking cooks no more, she puffing too
get it together sisters no one is reaching maturity any more!

 

[Knowledged]

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
1 Corinthians 14:35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. No women Pastors!

Ezekiel 34:31 And ye my flock, the flock of my pasture, are men, and I am your God, saith the Lord GOD
The Lord said his Pastors are Men.

1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
Not to be over the Congregation or have any authority over the Man.

This is the order: God, Christ Man and Woman
1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.
1 Corinthians 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
You have A very important role to play but you falling miserably! Looking at these women out here

If you have attended as many Pentecostal church meetings as I have you will agree that what is seen in all of them is the habit of "SPEAKING" in Tongues.

It is a method of speaking in such a way that no one understands what is said.
No one interprets what is muttered.
Women it seems are the ones who do most of the "Tongues" noises.

Now, allow me to say that I have been there and done that. However as I grew older and actually READ what the Bible says it becmae very clear that what is seen today is NOT BIBLICAL tongues as recorded in the Bible.

So then, instead of just accepting what we have been told or doing what we WANT to do, shall we actually see what the Bible does it fact say??????

Acts 2:7-11............

"And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born? Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God." ​

Notice the phrase in Acts 2:11, "our tongues." The crowds heard the Apostles preach in their own native tongues, not some unknown heavenly jibber jabber. There was NEVER any heavenly languages spoken that no one understood and required an interpreter.

There is a drastic difference between Biblical tongues and the heretical speaking in tongues we see in churches today.

The "speaking in tongues" which the Pentecostals foolishly practice are UNKNOWN tongues, not anything found on earth. Supposedly, those unknown tongues can only be interpreted by ONE spirit-filled member of the congregation.

The Apostle Paul speaks common sense to us Corinthians 14:19...
"Yet in the church I had rather speak five words with my understanding, that by my voice I might teach others also, than ten thousand words in an unknown tongue."

Now before replying to this post from an "Emotional" response, and actually that is what speaking in tongues is, an EMOTIONAL event, take the time to do the work first.

Read 1 Corinthians chapters 12-14. Anyone can see that they are "Corrective" Chapters from Paul to the church and the CONTEXT is .....ready.....
Speaking in tongues".

Now that being the correct hermeneutical point then notice carefully chapter 14:34........
"Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. "

Literally....the CONTEXT demands that "women are not permitted to speak in TONGUES in church".

Without women speaking in tongues there is then in fact no tongues movement at all.

​

 

[justbyfaith]

I don't find any scriptures prohibiting humans from jumping off a skyscraper and flying either. You want to be the one to try it out?

I would certainly be one to try out speaking in the tongues of angels if I have that gift.

 

[ResidentAlien]

I would certainly be one to try out speaking in the tongues of angels if I have that gift.

Nice dodge.

 

[Gardenias]

Is God's word truth?

Nothing God promises and gives to his people is false!

What is false is the outrageous teachings about the word by those who want everything EASY!

Salvation DOES NOT come without repentance!
Love does not come unless you allow the Holy Spirit full reign in your life!
Forgives comes by forgiving!


The word is truth and God will give unto those with pure motivations and clean hearts.

The enemy may have counterfeits,but we are told to resist him and he will flee from you.
We are to be fully dressed in the amour and be open to the way of escape God provides us!

Sincerely seeking GOD and not MAN'S ways opens a world of promises and blessing to those who seek and ask!

 

[justbyfaith]

Nice dodge.

Actually, bringing it back to the original point.

 

[jb]

Merry Christmas to all God bless

Thank you, and a Happy New year to you, and all!