Liberal and Conservative Christianity are both false
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We know our presidents are imperfect men, many who have done great good, but the purpose of this forum is not political--I believe Resident Alien started it because he sees the politicizing of Christianity problematic.
PS I knew Jefferson held slaves and the other thing that always bothered me is that he cut out parts of the bible he didn't like and created his own bible. https://www.christianitytoday.com/c...-biography-peter-manseau-religious-books.html
PS I knew Jefferson held slaves and the other thing that always bothered me is that he cut out parts of the bible he didn't like and created his own bible. https://www.christianitytoday.com/c...-biography-peter-manseau-religious-books.html
“Being an Abridgment of the New Testament for the Use of the Indians." Jefferson was concerned with the missionary work to convert the Indians, but it was never published or distributed to the Indians.
Almost like you see kids Bibles do not contain all the meaty parts of scripture he felt to reach the indians he needed to water it down to moral teachings in the hopes of helping them become civilized and then accepting Christ. Cilized indians would help assimilate them.
Very few people would come right out and say Trump is equal with Christ—he's my savior in other words. That isn't the issue though.
Many people look to Trump and other politicians to save them in this world; to give them the perfect world for which they so diligently strive. The Lord Jesus promised tribulation in this world; politicians offer worldly comfort. Hmm, which sounds better?
The megachurch and the prosperity gospel manifestation of this same cancer.
Many people look to Trump and other politicians to save them in this world; to give them the perfect world for which they so diligently strive. The Lord Jesus promised tribulation in this world; politicians offer worldly comfort. Hmm, which sounds better?
The megachurch and the prosperity gospel manifestation of this same cancer.
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Very few people would come right out and say Trump is equal with Christ—he's my savior in other words. That isn't the issue though.
Many people look to Trump and other politicians to save them in this world; to give them the perfect world for which they so diligently strive. The Lord Jesus promised tribulation in this world; politicians offer worldly comfort. Hmm, which sounds better?
The megachurch and the prosperity gospel manifestation of this same cancer.
Many people look to Trump and other politicians to save them in this world; to give them the perfect world for which they so diligently strive. The Lord Jesus promised tribulation in this world; politicians offer worldly comfort. Hmm, which sounds better?
The megachurch and the prosperity gospel manifestation of this same cancer.
Very few people would come right out and say Trump is equal with Christ—he's my savior in other words. That isn't the issue though.
Many people look to Trump and other politicians to save them in this world; to give them the perfect world for which they so diligently strive. The Lord Jesus promised tribulation in this world; politicians offer worldly comfort. Hmm, which sounds better?
The megachurch and the prosperity gospel manifestation of this same cancer.
Many people look to Trump and other politicians to save them in this world; to give them the perfect world for which they so diligently strive. The Lord Jesus promised tribulation in this world; politicians offer worldly comfort. Hmm, which sounds better?
The megachurch and the prosperity gospel manifestation of this same cancer.
Many Christians to day are making the same mistake, expecting their Christ to be a political figure who'll save them from the liberals in this world.
Thus they worship Trump.
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here is my stance on politics and Christianity I used to be niehter left or right I just wanted the right person to be president someone who would do the job right, but because of how biden and left have done so much wrong I am currently on the right but not just the political part. This country was founded on Godly princables it was originated by in God we stand that is the standard I stand by regardless of how politics has been divided that part and that honor that once resided in Gods name by country and by God is where I stand. I take honor and pride in that and my political view is now on the patriot that honors and takes pride in that phrase valuing true honor and justice in Godly form and values in what is good for both country and God a country that honors God is a country ruled by God but sadly this country has lost it's way and forgotten it's first love forgotten the one this country was founded in, thos country is therefor doomed to endure God's wrath but I value those who stand by what this country originally stood for
Those are patriot these same values are true Americans and true Christians
Those are patriot these same values are true Americans and true Christians
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Lol no one is expecting this 
or thinking this. There is a huge difference from stopping stupid policies versus thinking of a president as a Messiah lol.
This makes no sense.
or thinking this. There is a huge difference from stopping stupid policies versus thinking of a president as a Messiah lol.This makes no sense.
Did you read my initial post where the pastor's mother went on and on because I didn't vote? It is obvious by her response and the response of many other Christians they do indeed see him as a savior. Trump is a wolf in sheep's clothing and a mature believer will see this. We need to care about policies yes, but we need to stop thinking a man is going to make this present earth a 'paradise'--that won't happen until our Lord comes again.
Here is an article addressing this phenomena and there are numerous more if you care to open your eyes to the truth. This is precisely the kind of thinking that will cause 'believers' to be deceived by the anti-christ.
How self-proclaimed ‘prophets’ from a growing Christian movement provided religious motivation for the Jan. 6 events at the US Capitol
In addition to symbols of white supremacy, many of the rioters at the Capitol on Jan. 6 carried signs bearing religious messages, such as “Jesus Saves” and “In God We Trust” while others chanted “Jesus is my savior and Trump is my president.” In a video interview, one of those who breached the Senate floor describes holding a prayer to “consecrate it to Jesus” soon after entering.
‘Seven mountains of culture’
Before the 2016 election a group of INC “prophets” proclaimed Trump to be God’s chosen candidate, similar to King Cyrus in the Bible, whom God used to restore the nation of Israel. After their prophesies of Trump’s winning the election came true, these “prophets” became enormously popular in INC Christianity.
In our book, we showed that INC Christianity is significantly changing the religious landscape in America – and the nation’s politics – by providing an unorthodox theology to promote conservative Christians rising to power in all realms of society. It is the fastest-growing Christian group in America.
https://theconversation.com/how-sel...for-the-jan-6-events-at-the-us-capitol-152879
Yes I stay updated and wish I could be like an ostrich but unfortunately truth needs to be told.
How does A equal B? Did she say she saw Trump for eternal salvation?
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Good opinion but there are plenty of mature Christians who can see the good that was done.
Who is saying this? Do y'all have a quote of one individual? Or a poll to represent a majority who believes this? Or is it just opinion?
The majority at the Capitol was peaceful. And the Capitol police let them in the Capitol. In all aspects it was a pitiful attempt to overthrow the government and when compared to BLM and ANTIFA who the majority wasn't even prosecuted.
Anyways is there anything untrue about these statements above?
And now you speak of small minority groups. Hardly the majority.
It's a challenge to respond--it's sort of like how so many Jews didn't realize the seriousness of their situation in Germany until it was too late. you responded with:
Lol no one is expecting thisor thinking this. There is a huge difference from stopping stupid policies versus thinking of a president as a Messiah lol. This makes no sense.
You say "Who is saying this?" Do an internet search you will find plenty who are saying it. And it is on both sides. There are churches preaching 'social justice' --talking about how white people are the problem-and these are predominantly white churches! White isn't anything in and of it self--no color is---the gospel talks about SIN and WICKEDNESS--color has nothing to do with it. The Southern Baptist Convention voted in adopting Critical Race Theory to be brought into their churches--this is insane. Even parents who aren't Christians were going to board meetings to fight it being taught in schools, many who were people of color.
This is their wording in their 'charter': RESOLVED, That critical race theory and intersectionality should only be employed as analytical tools subordinate to Scripture—not as transcendent ideological frameworks;
https://www.sbc.net/resource-library/resolutions/on-critical-race-theory-and-intersectionality/
Sounds fuzzy to me--it is a worldly ideology that has no place in the church. The gospel+ nothing is the formula not the gospel+ xyz
You seem to have no understanding how we are using the term, even though we already explained they're not seeing him as THE Messiah, but rather a type of Messiah--we are to be looking to Christ and not man to make things right. Things will not be made right until Christ comes again.
Again that is the WHOLE point of this thread. You think these Christians are outlers--we see it as enough to be a problem--take as example the pastors' mother--she and her husband founded that church -- it is a church known for being gospel centered and yet she was so disturbed about me not voting as if Trump was some sort of 'savior' and Jack Hibbs church is into the thousands not to mention people that follow him throughout the U.S.--the home church as an example that invited me to their study.
It is dangerous and I can't imagine any Christian thinking this type of 'movement' is hilarious or something to joke about.
Lol no one is expecting this
or thinking this. There is a huge difference from stopping stupid policies versus thinking of a president as a Messiah lol. This makes no sense.You say "Who is saying this?" Do an internet search you will find plenty who are saying it. And it is on both sides. There are churches preaching 'social justice' --talking about how white people are the problem-and these are predominantly white churches! White isn't anything in and of it self--no color is---the gospel talks about SIN and WICKEDNESS--color has nothing to do with it. The Southern Baptist Convention voted in adopting Critical Race Theory to be brought into their churches--this is insane. Even parents who aren't Christians were going to board meetings to fight it being taught in schools, many who were people of color.
This is their wording in their 'charter': RESOLVED, That critical race theory and intersectionality should only be employed as analytical tools subordinate to Scripture—not as transcendent ideological frameworks;
https://www.sbc.net/resource-library/resolutions/on-critical-race-theory-and-intersectionality/
Sounds fuzzy to me--it is a worldly ideology that has no place in the church. The gospel+ nothing is the formula not the gospel+ xyz
You seem to have no understanding how we are using the term, even though we already explained they're not seeing him as THE Messiah, but rather a type of Messiah--we are to be looking to Christ and not man to make things right. Things will not be made right until Christ comes again.
Again that is the WHOLE point of this thread. You think these Christians are outlers--we see it as enough to be a problem--take as example the pastors' mother--she and her husband founded that church -- it is a church known for being gospel centered and yet she was so disturbed about me not voting as if Trump was some sort of 'savior' and Jack Hibbs church is into the thousands not to mention people that follow him throughout the U.S.--the home church as an example that invited me to their study.
It is dangerous and I can't imagine any Christian thinking this type of 'movement' is hilarious or something to joke about.
It seems to me that it is the left that is most likely to implement the mark and an Antichrist agenda;
So, in order to avoid that evil, I will choose the lesser of two evils (which may indeed be the greatest good) and vote in a government that will fight for my freedom (a conservative Republican government).
So, in order to avoid that evil, I will choose the lesser of two evils (which may indeed be the greatest good) and vote in a government that will fight for my freedom (a conservative Republican government).
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