THE WOMEN OF THE CHURCH
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actually you are the one doing the perverting here
because of your adherence to, and misguided belief that the KJ is the only viable English translation of the Bible, you go to extremes to try and convince YOURSELF that you are right
the rest of us are not convinced and know better
we all know that doctrine is formed with unifying passages of scripture and not cherry picking verses to create a disjointed and sloppy understanding that satisfies prejudice. from beginning to end the Bible forbids homosexual unions or behavior, so this nonsense of yours is contracted in an attempt to shore up your weak assertions
you refuse every posts that tries to educate you on the original languages and you dismiss the proof they offer that you are wrong
is that vanity of some sort? whatever it is, it is a great weakness in your comprehension and does not serve you well
because of your adherence to, and misguided belief that the KJ is the only viable English translation of the Bible, you go to extremes to try and convince YOURSELF that you are right
the rest of us are not convinced and know better
we all know that doctrine is formed with unifying passages of scripture and not cherry picking verses to create a disjointed and sloppy understanding that satisfies prejudice. from beginning to end the Bible forbids homosexual unions or behavior, so this nonsense of yours is contracted in an attempt to shore up your weak assertions
you refuse every posts that tries to educate you on the original languages and you dismiss the proof they offer that you are wrong
is that vanity of some sort? whatever it is, it is a great weakness in your comprehension and does not serve you well
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What difference does it make if he 'knows' the bible, but doesn't live by it? So did the Pharisees 'know' the bible and look where it got them.
"If anyone imagines that he knows and understands anything [of divine matters, without love], he has not yet known as he ought to know."--1st Corinthians 8:2 (Amplified)
"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."--1st Corinthians 13:1
I think Nehemiah should change his screen name to Cymbal...
"If anyone imagines that he knows and understands anything [of divine matters, without love], he has not yet known as he ought to know."--1st Corinthians 8:2 (Amplified)
"If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal."--1st Corinthians 13:1
I think Nehemiah should change his screen name to Cymbal...
As informative and entertaining as all these discussions are, I would still like to address the "issue of the OP."
I would love to hear from any of the women here who are Members of a Church that teach the writings of the Apostle Paul concerning women. Expressly how they feel about their Church Leaders (the men) only focusing on women not having authority while ignoring all the other statements the Apostle Paul made.
Has this approch by the Church Leaders effected the women of the Congregation in any way spiritually?
I would love to hear from any of the women here who are Members of a Church that teach the writings of the Apostle Paul concerning women. Expressly how they feel about their Church Leaders (the men) only focusing on women not having authority while ignoring all the other statements the Apostle Paul made.
Has this approch by the Church Leaders effected the women of the Congregation in any way spiritually?
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Absolutely. No earthly way I could view my wife as a child or treat her like one. Wouldn't DARE to, LoL. I'd receive some form of warning. She's my equal, mentally especially. I'm stronger spiritually and emotionally, but with the former that's how it should be if I am to lead, and with the latter it's just because we're different, and that's just the way I'm built.
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I think you're looking for a specific answer here. I cannot say I have experienced the situation you speak of. My pastor is male and we have different denominations under our tent so I'm not sure how all of them feel about having a female pastor. My sister and BIL attended a small church that had a female minister. But my BIL left the church when another female pastor took over who was married because he said he felt that wasn't in keeping with Scripture. Struck me as odd, but that was his feeling and my sister followed.
I've already said I have female pastors in my family, most are married. I was in evangelistic ministry many years myself. I grew up with many female Sunday school teachers, very little male teachers. My mother was a teacher for years, my father for a while but wasn't one for patience with misbehaving kids. I would say the cast majority of Sunday school teachers I grew up with were female, and the same in my travels. Instead of being offended by your OP I'm trying to get your point. Again I grew up in an era where female pastors were possible but saw very few myself and I grew up under male pastors. So may I ask, what specifically are you looking for in your answer? Perhaps I simply didn't experience what you're looking for and can't give a correct answer.
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The Greek word is "diakonos", which is rendered "deacon" in several places. However, in this one place where it is used in reference to a woman, it is translated "servant". Bias much? Absolutely! The NIV and other modern translations have it correct, while the KJV has it translated incorrectly.
By the way, Strong's says that this word means, specifically, a Christian teacher and pastor.
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Your unwillingness to consider the Greek undermines your position. Where there are actually pronouns in Greek in this passage, they are not gender-specific.
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No perversion dude. That is a translation. But the Greek word there is diakonos which is a root word for the English deacon. But a deacon's role is one who reads the Gospel in divine worship, one of a body of assistants to a priest or other clergyman. Servant of the church, religious official," literally "servant," from dia- here perhaps "thoroughly, from all sides," + PIE *kon-o-, from root *ken- "to hasten, set oneself in motion.
deacon (n.)
Middle English deken, "one who reads the Gospel in divine worship, one of a body of assistants to a priest or other clergyman," from Old English deacon, diacon, from Late Latin diaconus, from Greek diakonos "servant of the church, religious official," literally "servant," from dia- here perhaps "thoroughly, from all sides," + PIE *kon-o-, from root *ken- "to hasten, set oneself in motion." Related: Deaconess; deaconship.
So as you can see if we are looking for closeness in accuracy, deacon is a better word to fit diakonos. Servant is a true role of deacon but can be misunderstood on its own.
but you in your lack of honesty, say this means gay marriage.
there are others as well, but you choose to ignore them and make silly excuses as to why you reject them....well the excuses are because you believe the KJ is the only Bible....it may be the only Bible for you, an excellent source for miscomprehension and the basis for yours and others claims of your repetitive errors. that's on you
you have not shown any proof of what you say, but contend simply that you are right. which is ridiculous.
I don't need to repeat myself here...you have what you pretended does not exist so don't ask again as we all can read and knew when you asked, that you were just blowing smoke
it's really a waste of people's time when you have no intention of even briefly considering anything but what you already believe
By the way, Strong's says that this word means, specifically, a Christian teacher and pastor.
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Your unwillingness to consider the Greek undermines your position. Where there are actually pronouns in Greek in this passage, they are not gender-specific.
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No perversion dude. That is a translation. But the Greek word there is diakonos which is a root word for the English deacon. But a deacon's role is one who reads the Gospel in divine worship, one of a body of assistants to a priest or other clergyman. Servant of the church, religious official," literally "servant," from dia- here perhaps "thoroughly, from all sides," + PIE *kon-o-, from root *ken- "to hasten, set oneself in motion.
deacon (n.)
Middle English deken, "one who reads the Gospel in divine worship, one of a body of assistants to a priest or other clergyman," from Old English deacon, diacon, from Late Latin diaconus, from Greek diakonos "servant of the church, religious official," literally "servant," from dia- here perhaps "thoroughly, from all sides," + PIE *kon-o-, from root *ken- "to hasten, set oneself in motion." Related: Deaconess; deaconship.
So as you can see if we are looking for closeness in accuracy, deacon is a better word to fit diakonos. Servant is a true role of deacon but can be misunderstood on its own.
but you in your lack of honesty, say this means gay marriage.
there are others as well, but you choose to ignore them and make silly excuses as to why you reject them....well the excuses are because you believe the KJ is the only Bible....it may be the only Bible for you, an excellent source for miscomprehension and the basis for yours and others claims of your repetitive errors. that's on you
you have not shown any proof of what you say, but contend simply that you are right. which is ridiculous.
I don't need to repeat myself here...you have what you pretended does not exist so don't ask again as we all can read and knew when you asked, that you were just blowing smoke
it's really a waste of people's time when you have no intention of even briefly considering anything but what you already believe
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Paul used ONE Hebrew word (diakonos
Strong's Concordance 1249) to describe Phoebe (a woman) in Romans 16:1 and men 1 Timothy 3:12. Paul did not use separate words to describe Phoebe (a woman) in Romans 16:1 and men 1 Timothy 3:12. Paul used ONE Hebrew word to describe both. The English translators used two different words whereas Paul only used ONE Hebrew word. Some people put so much faith in the English translators. However, the English translators took liberties that the Apostle Paul did not take. According to some, the English translators knew better than Apostle Paul who wrote under the divine inspiration of God. Wow! Smh
Strong's Concordance 1249) to describe Phoebe (a woman) in Romans 16:1 and men 1 Timothy 3:12. Paul did not use separate words to describe Phoebe (a woman) in Romans 16:1 and men 1 Timothy 3:12. Paul used ONE Hebrew word to describe both. The English translators used two different words whereas Paul only used ONE Hebrew word. Some people put so much faith in the English translators. However, the English translators took liberties that the Apostle Paul did not take. According to some, the English translators knew better than Apostle Paul who wrote under the divine inspiration of God. Wow! Smh
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