What are you thoughts on Annihilation?

[Laura798]

You just keep trying to rewrite the Bible! OT NEVER overrules perfectly clear NT! Unless you're not Christian.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

What kind of bible do you have? Does it only have that one verse?

Curious how you weren't able to give a simple YES or NO answer. You'd prefer to hold on to your false doctrine rather than the Word of God.

I think it's best not respond to you anymore DB--I want to have mature theological discussions--this is not good use of my time or anyone else's.

 

[Duckybill]

What kind of bible do you have? Does it only have that one verse?

I have about 40 English translations. They all say the "eternal punishment" is "forever and ever". How many do you have?

Curious how you weren't able to give a simple YES or NO answer. You'd prefer to hold on to your false doctrine rather than the Word of God.

I think it's best not respond to you anymore DB--I want to have mature theological discussions--this is not good use of my time or anyone else's.

Well yeah, I don't think you're qualified to rewrite our English Bibles.

"Eternal life" and "Everlasting punishment" EXACT same Greek word! You don't believe in eternal life?

 

[Yahshua]

I have about 40 English translations. They all say the "eternal punishment" is "forever and ever". How many do you have?

Well yeah, I don't think you're qualified to rewrite our English Bibles.

"Eternal life" and "Everlasting punishment" EXACT same Greek word! You don't believe in eternal life?

Hi and welcome to Christian Chat. You seem fun. Let's dialog.

I was wondering, are you a Christian, and do you study the bible? Because if you say that "eternal life" and "everlasting punishment" are the exact same Greek word then there's a problem.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Warning. Ducky is intentionally misrepresenting this verse by not including parts of it that prove his doctrine to be wrong.

 

[ewq1938]

You just keep trying to rewrite the Bible! OT NEVER overrules perfectly clear NT! Unless you're not Christian.

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Ducky is the one re-writing bible by partially quoting a verse which is deceptive behavior.

 

[Magenta]

Hi and welcome to Christian Chat. You seem fun.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

Duckybill said: "Eternal life" and "Everlasting punishment" EXACT same Greek word!

I was wondering, are you a Christian, and do you study the bible? Because if you say that "eternal life" and "everlasting punishment" are the exact same Greek word then there's a problem.

Surely you realize he meant the words he bolded, within his quotation marks.



[Strong's G166]

 

[Magenta]

I was wondering, are you a Christian, and do you study the bible? Because if you say that
"eternal life" and "everlasting punishment" are the exact same Greek word then there's a problem.

Perhaps he would find these verses helpful?

"Forever"

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

[quoting from Post #196 and Post #230]


"unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" -

[always means the same thing, even in Rev20:10... and NEVER means a "limited" time-frame]


(what we call "forever" / "eternity" / "eternal" / endlessness, etc),


...found in the following verses:


--Galatians 1:5;
Philippians 4:20;
1 Timothy 1:17;
2 Timothy 4:18;
Hebrews 13:21
("[to Whom] be glory _____" ; "be honour and glory _____");


--1 Peter 4:11;
1 Peter 5:11;
Revelation 1:6
("to Him/Whom be glory/praise/dominion ____");


--Revelation 1:18;
Revelation 4:9;
Revelation 4:10;
Revelation 5:14;
Revelation 10:6;
Revelation 15:7
("I am alive ____" ; "[Him] Who/that liveth ____" ; "God, Who liveth ____");


--Revelation 5:13;
Revelation 7:12;
Revelation 11:15;
Revelation 22:5
("and unto the Lamb ___" ; "be unto our God ____" ; "and He shall reign ____" ; "and they shall reign ___");



[which ones of the above look to be saying something like "long-but-limited-time-period"??]





--and used in the 3 verses usually "under question":

Revelation 14:11 [regarding those who receive the mark and worship the beast and his image]; and...

Revelation 19:3 [regarding the judgment of "the great whore"]; and...

Revelation 20:10 [regarding "the devil" and where "the beast and the false prophet" already are/will have been for the 1000 yrs]



[21x TOTAL]



____________



Rev20:10 - "And the devil, the one deceiving them, was cast into the lake of fire and of sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet also are; and they will be tormented day and night to/unto the ages of the ages."

 

[Yahshua]

Surely you realize he meant the words he bolded, within his quotation marks.



[Strong's G166]

He quoted phrases and then questioned the member on the full phrase, not the bolded adjective. Clearly he doesn't mind "done unto him" what he's "doing unto others", as that's the tenet we're all held to. So he needs to be accurate else he makes himself look foolish

Romans 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

I typically seek peace with all men regardless of the difference in views and doctrine, being gracious as we're commanded to do (as I'm sure you've witnessed on here over the years)...but I don't take kindly to trolls and bullies. Ad Hominem attacks etc. Not here. Not professing what we claim to.

 

[Magenta]

[quoting from Post #196 and Post #230]

"unto the ages [plural] of the ages [plural]" -

[always means the same thing, even in Rev20:10... and NEVER means a "limited" time-frame]

(what we call "forever" / "eternity" / "eternal" / endlessness, etc),

...found in the following verses:

--Galatians 1:5;
Philippians 4:20;
1 Timothy 1:17;
2 Timothy 4:18;
Hebrews 13:21
("[to Whom] be glory _____" ; "be honour and glory _____");


--1 Peter 4:11;
1 Peter 5:11;
Revelation 1:6
("to Him/Whom be glory/praise/dominion ____");


--Revelation 1:18;
Revelation 4:9;
Revelation 4:10;
Revelation 5:14;
Revelation 10:6;
Revelation 15:7
("I am alive ____" ; "[Him] Who/that liveth ____" ; "God, Who liveth ____");


--Revelation 5:13;
Revelation 7:12;
Revelation 11:15;
Revelation 22:5
("and unto the Lamb ___" ; "be unto our God ____" ; "and He shall reign ____" ; "and they shall reign ___");

[which ones of the above look to be saying something like "long-but-limited-time-period"??]

--and used in the 3 verses usually "under question":

Revelation 14:11 [regarding those who receive the mark and worship the beast and his image]; and...

Revelation 19:3 [regarding the judgment of "the great whore"]; and...

Revelation 20:10 [regarding "the devil" and where "the beast and the false prophet" already are/will have been for the 1000 yrs]



[21x TOTAL]

When eternal is used in relation to God, Who is Himself eternally Self existent, do you not think it prudent to consider the context and allow His eternality to be something quite different than how the same word is used in relation to men? For it is obvious in many verses (such as those on the panel I provided in the post preceding yours) that forever in those verse does not mean without end. Look again:

"Forever"

 

[Magenta]

I don't take kindly to trolls and bullies.

I agree with your assessment.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

@Magenta , regarding your box of scripture references... (Post #1351 addressed to me)...


I had responded to a similar post made by another member,

in my Post #737 (page 37): https://christianchat.com/threads/what-are-you-thoughts-on-annihilation.201874/post-4685555


... please see the point I was making, in response, there. = )

 

[Duckybill]

Warning. Ducky is intentionally misrepresenting this verse by not including parts of it that prove his doctrine to be wrong.

What parts? You want me to cite the entire Bible? Your ridiculous argument is that "they will be tormented day and night forever and ever" doesn't mean what it says.

 

[Duckybill]

Ducky is the one re-writing bible by partially quoting a verse which is deceptive behavior.

See above #1354
I didn't rewrite any of it. But you sure are trying to take part of it away.

 

[Duckybill]

Hi and welcome to Christian Chat. You seem fun. Let's dialog.

I was wondering, are you a Christian, and do you study the bible? Because if you say that "eternal life" and "everlasting punishment" are the exact same Greek word then there's a problem.

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Exact same Greek word!

 

[ewq1938]

See above #1354
I didn't rewrite any of it. But you sure are trying to take part of it away.

No, you left out part of a verse which is taking away part of the writing of the book of Reveleation.

You posted:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV) 10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


The actual verse is this:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You intentionally left out most of the verse, which taking away from the verse.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

I typically seek peace with all men regardless of the difference in views and doctrine, being gracious as we're commanded to do (as I'm sure you've witnessed on here over the years)...but I don't take kindly to trolls and bullies. Ad Hominem attacks etc. Not here. Not professing what we claim to.

Well, no offense (I like you Yahshua ), but you didn't seem to blink an eye to the following comment quoted from Post #222 (page 12), which you gave a hearty "LIKE" to:


"Frankly I feel like I am trying to share rational arguments with people from the dark ages who did not have at their disposal the Holy Scriptures."



I mean, that comment seems to be directed at "people" (in this thread), right?

Are those words particularly "gracious"? (especially since the "people" really were providing scriptural reasons for the viewpoint they were presenting, just as that person/commenter perceived themselves to be doing).

 

[ewq1938]

Matthew 25:46 (KJV)
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Exact same Greek word!

Yeah it is but the everlasting punishment is not torture. It's death. The wicked get everlasting death as a punishment, not life in torture. Only the righteous get eternal life.


Wicked= everlasting death as punishment.
Righteous= eternal life as reward.

The wicked DO NOT get to live forever. They will die and get burned up into nothingness.

 

[Duckybill]

No, you left out part of a verse which is taking away part of the writing of the book of Reveleation.

You posted:
Revelation 20:10 (NKJV) 10 they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.


The actual verse is this:

Rev 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You intentionally left out most of the verse, which taking away from the verse.

Rev 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Did I wrongly assume that most here are intelligent enough to look it up in the Bible?

And YOU didn't even cite which translation. What are you hiding?