How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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And you shouldn't see it there because it had already happened by time of those passages. You have to look elsewhere to find rapture being presented. Same reason why we don't see the rapture in Rev21-22, or in the reverse for somewhere far too early like Mathew 2-3.
Zec 14:5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee
1Th_3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
1Th_4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
Jud 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,
Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
Dear Brother - the angels are coming with Christ - you should know this according to Scripture.
Well, I'm sorry you see it as a dilemma--I find it quite clear--Christ's Second Coming is both NOiSY and NOTiCEABLE.
Christ came once to die and is coming again for the believers. 1+1 = 2 , not 3
Lots of bad stuff will happen before he comes. Christ and the apostles said to tell you, "Don't say we didn't warn you."
Matthew 24 Jesus warns the disciples--who put it ALL down in writing so there would be no misunderstanding--or so they thought...
4 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.
22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.
These verses are a warning to the believer--if we are still alive, we will be facing terrible times, but we CAN pray for a 'way of escape'--some will survive. "Watch therefore, praying at every season, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things which are about to come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."--Luke 21:36
21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again. 22 “If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
Oh I see. However, Saints, also translates as 'Holy Ones' in Hebrew. I guess since believers are also called Saints people take it that believers will somehow join Christ? I'm not sure how that works since it is the 'armies IN heaven' and I see it as Christ coming with his angels to gather his elect 'from the 4 corners'. I guess since we are in the air we could be joining Him. I'll have to think on that one
Absolutely correct....
Jesus will appear first to His own, those who are eagerly waiting for Him. And of course to be harpazo-ed FROM the time and place of God's wrath. This occurs without signs, without warning, at any moment. PRECISELY as per the Jewish wedding ceremony where the bridegroom surprises the BETROTHED wife, taking her to the fathers house to consummate the UNION.
THEN and only then does prophecy (Dan 70 weeks) kick into gear.....with VAST SPECTACULAR SIGNS so stupendous that EVEN ISRAEL will come to believe the OT prophecies of their Messiah, and BEG JESUS to return. Which He does in GREAT MAJESTY AND GLORY to the earth, and every eye will see him, both saved and unsaved....a mixed multitude.
Except I was speaking directly to DAVIDTREE'S viewpoint that it (the "SNATCH [G726]") happens AFTER what we see in Rev20:4b (resurrection of the "BEHEADED" saints ["beheaded" in / during SECOND HALF of the "7 Trib yrs"], who are resurrected at the END of those years).
I'm pointing out where his viewpoints' flaws are evident.
Nope. No punishment/wrath of God shall befall perfectly righteous and holy Christians justified by the Blood of the Lamb. To do so would be contrary to God's eternal nature.
It will befall Israel and the other "earth dwellers" though......
Oh....It COULD be that "Bride" that follows Christ withersoever He goeth.......
What I'm pointing out is, I do not see where "ARMIES [PLURAL; G4753]" is ever used IN THE "PLURAL" of the "angels"
[IOW, the word "ARMIES [PLURAL; G4753]" in Rev19:14 must be referring to more than merely the "angels"... though certainly may (and likely DOES) INCLUDE them!]
Correct. Aaaaand.....the rapture of the Church per se is found NOWHERE in Revelation after Ch 5.
You know.....clear cut unequivocal bombastic glorious passages portraying the Church residing in heaven in a flourish of worship and praise to His majestic glory sung redoundingly by the angelic choir etc.
You would think that such an omission would raise some eyebrows lol...
***BUT WAIT.....doesn't this fit the bill.....?????***
Rev 5:8-14
Now when He had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each having a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying:
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
And have made us kings and priests to our God;
And we shall reign on the earth.”
Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, saying with a loud voice:
“Worthy is the Lamb who was slain
To receive power and riches and wisdom,
And strength and honor and glory and blessing!”
And every creature which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, I heard saying:
“Blessing and honor and glory and power
Be to Him who sits on the throne,
And to the Lamb, forever and [g]ever!”
Then the four living creatures said, “Amen!” And the twenty-four elders fell down and worshiped Him who lives forever and ever.
You may be waiting for the SC to the earth. Just be prepared for all of the cosmic-level attendant horrors.
As for me, I am waiting for my Lord to return to harpazo me to the heavenly realm to consummate the ketubah that the Lord Jesus made in Matt 26:28, Luke 20:20 and Mark 14:24.....which by the way I have accepted.....
You may be waiting for the SC to the earth. Just be prepared for all of the cosmic-level attendant horrors.
As for me, I am waiting for my Lord to return to harpazo me to the heavenly realm to consummate the ketubah that the Lord Jesus made in Matt 26:28, Luke 20:20 and Mark 14:24.....which by the way I have accepted.....
Without Christ coming on the clouds with Great Glory and the Trumpet of God there will be No Resurrection and No rapture.
and to await His Son from heaven, whom He raised from the dead—Jesus our deliverer from the coming wrath.
1 Thessalonians 1:10
1.) wait for His Coming
2.) the Resurrection
3.) deliverance from His wrath
A tribulation ...which I go though frequently...probably you also...is vastly different than THE TRIBULATION.
Please be reminded God has no part of denominational establishments.
So, why do you ask?
Study scriptures. GEESSCCH.
God's church...in context.....is all of God's righteous people...regardless of affiliation with earthly denominations. It IS NOT considerate of earthly denominations and religious sections.
The Bible will tell you...google and study...it works. There are several points to the Bible teaching of the pre-triulation fact in scriptures. With study you will see it.