How the Pre-Trib Rapture Became Popular in the Modern Church
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Nope.
All Revelation 19 says with regard to it (the wedding FEAST / SUPPER) is:
"BLESSED are those [plural] HAVING BEEN INVITED [<--that pertains to the "INVITED GUESTS [PLURAL]"; perfect participle (action COMPLETED in the past)] unto the wedding SUPPER of the Lamb"...
[corresponding to about 8 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of their ENTRANCE into the earthly MK age commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth]
The text refers to the fact that the "INVITING" has been completed (the text states NOTHING about the supper itself TAKING PLACE "in Heaven"--though "the MARRIAGE" ITSELF will have [already by this point]).
Then, in every context where "the wedding feast/supper" (or the "meal [G347]") is referenced (elsewhere), it is always upon His RETURN there to that location (earth). NONE OF THOSE folks (in those scenes [contexts]--even the "saved" among them) are LIFTING OFF THE EARTH. None. Rather, He is coming TO THE EARTH, in those contexts.
ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / coming of / comes / etc" passages speak to His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age.
[see Mt25:13 among these references to that phrase... as well as Matt24:42-51 as parallel with Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom")... THEN the "meal [G347]"]
All Revelation 19 says with regard to it (the wedding FEAST / SUPPER) is:
"BLESSED are those [plural] HAVING BEEN INVITED [<--that pertains to the "INVITED GUESTS [PLURAL]"; perfect participle (action COMPLETED in the past)] unto the wedding SUPPER of the Lamb"...
[corresponding to about 8 other "BLESSED" passages speaking of their ENTRANCE into the earthly MK age commencing upon His "RETURN" to the earth]
The text refers to the fact that the "INVITING" has been completed (the text states NOTHING about the supper itself TAKING PLACE "in Heaven"--though "the MARRIAGE" ITSELF will have [already by this point]).
Then, in every context where "the wedding feast/supper" (or the "meal [G347]") is referenced (elsewhere), it is always upon His RETURN there to that location (earth). NONE OF THOSE folks (in those scenes [contexts]--even the "saved" among them) are LIFTING OFF THE EARTH. None. Rather, He is coming TO THE EARTH, in those contexts.
ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / coming of / comes / etc" passages speak to His Second Coming to the earth FOR the promised and prophesied EARTHLY Millennial Kingdom age.
[see Mt25:13 among these references to that phrase... as well as Matt24:42-51 as parallel with Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 "when he will RETURN FROM the wedding" (i.e. as an ALREADY-WED "Bridegroom")... THEN the "meal [G347]"]
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What I think you are saying is that Jesus will never "return" to the earth (at all), per your view... Am I reading you right?
["...when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the "meal [G347]" - Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 parallel Matt24:42-51 (and Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN" also); and... just a caution... Tit1:14a
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["...when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the "meal [G347]" - Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 parallel Matt24:42-51 (and Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN" also); and... just a caution... Tit1:14a
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Good stuff bro. Yeah I agree the 10 virgins is in Mat 25. Which in his discourse part of what he is expounding upon is Ezekiel 34 and the separation of the sheep and goats. Not to quote the whole chapter but just some passages as to how what Christ says in Mat 24 and 25 is a expounding by Christ. Ezekiel 34:11-13 says, 11 For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out. 12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered; so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day. 13 And I will bring them out from the people, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them to their own land, and feed them upon the mountains of Israel by the rivers, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
Verse 17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
and then 20-22, 20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; 22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
The 10 virgins is Christ expounding also upon what he has already been telling the Jews throughout his ministry while he was on earth. He was expounding upon when he had told them they would see the patriarchs sitting down to eat with folks from the east and west yet the children of the kingdom would find themselves locked out. To include the other places he let them know as well how that just because he walked amongst them and visited their cities that would hold no sway.
When he told them they would be on the outside looking in concerning the patriarch's. He did so after the centurion had said I am a man under authority so I say go to one and he goeth and say come to another and he cometh. Christ said he had not found that great of faith in Israel.
Reason being the Jews where constantly asking by what authority do you do these things. Yet a gentile recognized authority and how being in authority came by being under authority. Christ had clearly told the Jews time and again he had come in the name of the Father. So the gentile recognized just how that authority worked yet the Jews were missing it and still questioning who did he think he was. So ultimately comes down to just who we believe Jesus is.
So again good stuff from you and I find that the ten virgins is Christ expounding upon what he had already told them in his ministry and it was in light of Ezekiel 34. It was him again telling of the separation and using another parable or example. I can never understand why the ten virgins is ever used as anything to do with the rapture as that is not what it is talking about.
Also have to scratch my head at at times because constantly hear show me one verse their is a pretrib rapture.
Which I don't see how Luke 21:35-36 is anything but, For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
All these things is encompassing it includes the other synoptic gospels as well be it they start with let no man deceive you or nation against nation. Christ said we could escape all these things so I have to read that as pre or before because that is the language he uses when says escape all these things, so to do just that you would have to escape prior.
Verse 17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I judge between cattle and cattle, between the rams and the he goats.
and then 20-22, 20 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD unto them; Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat cattle and between the lean cattle. 21 Because ye have thrust with side and with shoulder, and pushed all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad; 22 Therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between cattle and cattle.
The 10 virgins is Christ expounding also upon what he has already been telling the Jews throughout his ministry while he was on earth. He was expounding upon when he had told them they would see the patriarchs sitting down to eat with folks from the east and west yet the children of the kingdom would find themselves locked out. To include the other places he let them know as well how that just because he walked amongst them and visited their cities that would hold no sway.
When he told them they would be on the outside looking in concerning the patriarch's. He did so after the centurion had said I am a man under authority so I say go to one and he goeth and say come to another and he cometh. Christ said he had not found that great of faith in Israel.
Reason being the Jews where constantly asking by what authority do you do these things. Yet a gentile recognized authority and how being in authority came by being under authority. Christ had clearly told the Jews time and again he had come in the name of the Father. So the gentile recognized just how that authority worked yet the Jews were missing it and still questioning who did he think he was. So ultimately comes down to just who we believe Jesus is.
So again good stuff from you and I find that the ten virgins is Christ expounding upon what he had already told them in his ministry and it was in light of Ezekiel 34. It was him again telling of the separation and using another parable or example. I can never understand why the ten virgins is ever used as anything to do with the rapture as that is not what it is talking about.
Also have to scratch my head at at times because constantly hear show me one verse their is a pretrib rapture.
Which I don't see how Luke 21:35-36 is anything but, For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth. 36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
All these things is encompassing it includes the other synoptic gospels as well be it they start with let no man deceive you or nation against nation. Christ said we could escape all these things so I have to read that as pre or before because that is the language he uses when says escape all these things, so to do just that you would have to escape prior.
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Your problem is your starting point.
You actually missed what is happening in those verses when you transposed " return from the wedding" into " already wed and in the millineum"
Take a look;
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
That is the rapture.
Of course he "returns from the wedding"
WEDDING FESTIVITIES.
If you look at the jewish wedding the father tells the groom to go fetch his bride.
So the groom LEAVES THE WEDDING AND FETCHERS HER BACK TO THE WEDDING.
You took that verse and transposed it to the millineum.
You actually missed what is happening in those verses when you transposed " return from the wedding" into " already wed and in the millineum"
Take a look;
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
That is the rapture.
Of course he "returns from the wedding"
WEDDING FESTIVITIES.
If you look at the jewish wedding the father tells the groom to go fetch his bride.
So the groom LEAVES THE WEDDING AND FETCHERS HER BACK TO THE WEDDING.
You took that verse and transposed it to the millineum.
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What I think you are saying is that Jesus will never "return" to the earth (at all), per your view... Am I reading you right?
["...when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the "meal [G347]" - Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 parallel Matt24:42-51 (and Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN" also); and... just a caution... Tit1:14a ]
["...when he will RETURN FROM the wedding"... THEN the "meal [G347]" - Lk12:36-37,38,40,42-44 parallel Matt24:42-51 (and Lk19:12,15,17,19 "RETURN" also); and... just a caution... Tit1:14a
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Mat 25 is also against what you are teaching
amazing that you think luke 21:36 is the rapture ( of those worthy)
And turn around and see those worthy virgins of mat 25 is sheep/ goats.
Virgins are not goats.
They are believers. They had lamps, light, oil, were watching and waiting for Jesus, and had the Holy Spirit ( oil).
It is a vivid picture of the rapture in peacetime with no antichrist in sight, no white horses, and no conquoring king killing anyone.
And turn around and see those worthy virgins of mat 25 is sheep/ goats.
Virgins are not goats.
They are believers. They had lamps, light, oil, were watching and waiting for Jesus, and had the Holy Spirit ( oil).
It is a vivid picture of the rapture in peacetime with no antichrist in sight, no white horses, and no conquoring king killing anyone.
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Agreed.
He is not coming (in that context) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 or even 5 "virginS [PLURAL]". No.
[2Cor11:2 and the "A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]"!]
He is not coming (in that context) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 or even 5 "virginS [PLURAL]". No.
[2Cor11:2 and the "A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]"!]
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Bridegroom takes virgins into the marriage.
Impossible to miss it.
Agreed.
He is not coming (in that context) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 or even 5 "virginS [PLURAL]". No.
[2Cor11:2 and the "A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]"!]
He is not coming (in that context) for the purpose of "MARRYING" 10 or even 5 "virginS [PLURAL]". No.
[2Cor11:2 and the "A CHASTE VIRGIN [SINGULAR]"!]
There will be "saints" existing in the Tribulation period, those having come to faith in Christ FOLLOWING "our Rapture"!
And note (what I'd put in past posts about the "LAMPS LIT" issue [regarding the "NIGHT WATCHES" and the OT lighting of the LAMPS--AT NIGHT]), the text is speaking to the "IN THE NIGHT / DARK / DARKNESS" (i.e. 7-yr TRIB) aspect OF the very long TIME PERIOD known as "the DOTL"... where Paul had said its ARRIVAL is "as a thief IN THE NIGHT"
(this is the man of sin's "IN HIS TIME" thing [... "IN THE NIGHT"... see also Dan7:7 and Gen46:2, etc... a rare phrase in OT ])
And note (what I'd put in past posts about the "LAMPS LIT" issue [regarding the "NIGHT WATCHES" and the OT lighting of the LAMPS--AT NIGHT]), the text is speaking to the "IN THE NIGHT / DARK / DARKNESS" (i.e. 7-yr TRIB) aspect OF the very long TIME PERIOD known as "the DOTL"... where Paul had said its ARRIVAL is "as a thief IN THE NIGHT"
(this is the man of sin's "IN HIS TIME" thing [... "IN THE NIGHT"... see also Dan7:7 and Gen46:2, etc... a rare phrase in OT
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The Coming of the Son of Man
29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Those PLURAL "virginS" are not the "Bride [SINGULAR]"
--"and they that were ready went in with [G3326 - accompanying (NOT G4862 UNIONed-with!!)] him TO THE WEDDING FEAST/SUPPER" v.10 (not "the MARRIAGE")
[note the completely DISTINCT *WITH*-word used of US elsewhere... G4862 "UNIONed-with"... which is NOT the "with"-word USED HERE in Matt25 about the PLURAL VIRGINS!]
--"and they that were ready went in with [G3326 - accompanying (NOT G4862 UNIONed-with!!)] him TO THE WEDDING FEAST/SUPPER" v.10 (not "the MARRIAGE")
[note the completely DISTINCT *WITH*-word used of US elsewhere... G4862 "UNIONed-with"... which is NOT the "with"-word USED HERE in Matt25 about the PLURAL VIRGINS!]
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