Touchy Subject - Deliverance Ministry/Mental Disorders(and just my life..)

[vahn]

Hello, I've been a believer for about two years now and floating around the cc threads for about a year. I have been extremely active in the deliverance ministry. With my recent diagnosis of schizophrenia or bi polar or obsessive compulsive disorder oh wait nope, I guess I have panic disorder. (they cant figure it out). (about a year ago)

Whatever they may call it, I have tried medication, I've had others pray over me, but I feel as if I am still over the top struggling with everything and it almost feels worse than it was, while other aspects feel better.

A big part of it happens to be my obsessiveness with beliefs (God, Satan, Medication, Demons, Chemical imbalances) Whenever I am confronted with an anxiety producing situation(talking to women or people in general) I find it much easier to believe that the root of all my problems are from Satan, which seems very comfortable to me for whatever reason. Maybe because I believe I have much to do for God, but then again what is it he wants me to do?

I'm at the point where I have endured every layer of hell. The psychological and physiological (yes, physiological) torment has been so physically, emotionally, and mentally draining that it prevents me from enjoying any aspect of my life.

I just want to get healthier. I have lost every relationship excluding my family, and its nearly impossible to maintain any sort of healthy relationship in my life. I'm tired and I just want to go be with God now( and no,im not in need of suicide assistance) because my life is way too exhausting.

 

[Stuey]

Will post more later, see a psychologist and remember. God loves you.

 

[AnandaHya]

Dear Lord, we lift Vahn up to you. we do not know his situation Lord but you do. you know what needs to be healed and what needs to be said. please cut whatever ties to darkness that bind him. We ask for his freedom Lord from all that does not come from you O God we ask for Your mercy, grace and wisdom. Dear God we know of Your healing power and we ask that you heal this brother in Christ and place in him a heart seeking after You and your will. Break the strongholds that would set themselves up against Your knowledge and love oh Lord and remind him always that you did not give us a Spirit of Fear but of love, power and a sound mind as it says in 2 Timothy. Lord, You are our Redeemer and our Savior. Guide and protect us and lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Forgive us our trespass as we forgive those who trespass against us. For Yours is the Kingdom the power and the glory forever and ever. Humbly cleansed of our sins through the blood of Jesus Christ we come before you, Amen.

 

[vahn]

Will post more later, see a psychologist and remember. God loves you.

What great advice!

 

[Pie]

Hey Vahn. I've also been involved in about 3 different deliverance ministries. I can't relate completely with your situation, but I can tell you I suffered with severe depression (antidepressants did nothing) for several years, sleep paralysis, night terrors, and a lot of mental torment (anxiety, fear) etc. I also struggled with cutting, bulimia, etc etc. But I'm free from all of that today.. Truly free.. thanks to God. I think everyone's journey to freedom is different and it certainly didn't happen for me overnight. I totally understand the obsessive part. I started to become that way and finally got so tired of everything being a demon that I just walked away from it all for awhile. It got out of balance. Our main focus should never be on Satan (or even a particular ministry). Our main focus should be on God. However, we do have to recognize we are in a spiritual war and learn to recognize what is the enemy. That discernment can come with simply diving into the Word of God and nurturing your relationship with him. (worship, prayer, fasting). Deliverance is very real and needed but some ministries make it their only focus. Something else I read once, that dealing with demons is NOT a power encounter..it is a truth encounter. They're already defeated and powerless. The only power they have is in their lies and what you give them. Have you ever read the Who Am I list? It's a list of verses that describes who you are in Christ..You can google it. You should read them and really let them soak into you and your soul. I posted that list on my wall so I can read and remember who I am in christ. Knowing who you are in Christ.. is the first step, in my opinion, to freedom.

The reason I say this is because I also had others pray over me and it only seemed to get worse after awhile. But I didn't know who I was in Christ.
Also, all mental problems are psychological and spiritual. Psychological because the mind is always involved... Spiritual because the mind is the battlefield and the Bible tells us to guard our ears, eyes, hearts and we are spiritual beings.

Another thing focusing soley on demons and Satan is incredibly exhausting and another form of bondage. We can become paranoidand anxious.. which is a form of fear... Rest in God... Keep your mind stayed on him. Even Jesus said to the disciples in Luke 10:20 "However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."

 

[Crypto]

Hello, I've been a believer for about two years now and floating around the cc threads for about a year. I have been extremely active in the deliverance ministry. With my recent diagnosis of schizophrenia or bi polar or obsessive compulsive disorder oh wait nope, I guess I have panic disorder. (they cant figure it out). (about a year ago)

Whatever they may call it, I have tried medication, I've had others pray over me, but I feel as if I am still over the top struggling with everything and it almost feels worse than it was, while other aspects feel better.

A big part of it happens to be my obsessiveness with beliefs (God, Satan, Medication, Demons, Chemical imbalances) Whenever I am confronted with an anxiety producing situation(talking to women or people in general) I find it much easier to believe that the root of all my problems are from Satan, which seems very comfortable to me for whatever reason. Maybe because I believe I have much to do for God, but then again what is it he wants me to do?

I'm at the point where I have endured every layer of hell. The psychological and physiological (yes, physiological) torment has been so physically, emotionally, and mentally draining that it prevents me from enjoying any aspect of my life.

I just want to get healthier. I have lost every relationship excluding my family, and its nearly impossible to maintain any sort of healthy relationship in my life. I'm tired and I just want to go be with God now( and no,im not in need of suicide assistance) because my life is way too exhausting.

Have you considered that maybe your issues are more of a self (flesh) issue than a Satanic attack? and that perhaps there is some unconfessed sin? I struggled with a similar issue for 5 or 6 years, I had problems with anxiety which got the the point one summer I left my house 3 times and I hated being around people. When I got saved I saw what the Bible says about being anxious and worry, and I confessed my attitude as a sin condition, and I found deliverance almost immediately and have never had a problem with it since.

 

[ark]

hey vahn, im thinking of you and will pray for you. Its so hard for us humans to decipher the trials that affect our lives. It's easy to just call it a disease and give up that God and the power of JEsus could never heal you. BUt thats what the enemy wants, right? Ever does he try to deter us from the truth, make our walk with God more difficult. It's also easy to give up after awhile, when prayer doesn't initially work. But we have to always strive in our walk with God. Constant prayer, continuing hope, we can't see the full plan, but if i know anything he will show, guide, and deliver us always. I didn't understand why God Let my grandma have Alzheimers, i didn't know why he would let her forget me and everyone she knew. I still don't, but God gave her rest, he taught me to love unconditionaly, he showed me that hes always in control, no matter what. That gets me through the days knowing that God is over Satan, that Satan tries but cannot succeed, as long as we have our precious lord Jesus, and our loving God.

 

[tif]

I work in mental health, and I carry a diagnosis of Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder myself.

And I can say one thing for certain: GOD CAN HEAL ANYTHING, BUT JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A SPIRITUAL CURE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A SPIRITUAL PROBLEM.

That is not to say that there is no spiritual realm or spiritual forces at work in our lives. But I've known women who are dedicated to God and still experience all the symptoms of their diagnoses. One of these women, I'll call hey Kay, lived 50 years of her life before getting a diagnosis of bipolar. She tried prayer and bible study, she tried church, she tried getting others to pray for her healing, she tried therapy, she tried EVERYTHING. She was dedicated to God, and still is. And, about six or seven years ago, Kay finally (under the urging of the psychologist/psychiatrist who had been counseling her for years) tried medication. She swears that was the last piece of the puzzle, and now lives a happy, fulfilled, God-filled life.

I was on medication for a long time, but am not now. And that isn't a choice I would recommend for anyone unless they are working with their doctor/therapist/support team. It was VERY difficult.

Medication doesn't mean you don't believe in God or trust Him. That would be a stupid assumption. There have been brain scans that show the shape of the human brain CHANGES when a person has schizophrenia. You wouldn't refuse chemotherapy if you had cancer, would you? Or insulin for diabetes?

Pray. Read God's word. See a doctor. And don't let people who have never traveled this road tell you it's all demonic if you know it isn't.

 

[Crypto]

And I can say one thing for certain: GOD CAN HEAL ANYTHING, BUT JUST BECAUSE THERE IS A SPIRITUAL CURE DOESN'T MEAN IT'S A SPIRITUAL PROBLEM.

Can you explain how that is possible? I'm seeing a contradiction right there.

 

[saintnickk]

Mental disorders do exist and yes Satan is alive an well. I am a counselor but it is difficult with the amount of info and time restraints. My thoughts is there a beginning to this happening, if so, what. Events can trigger these events. And yes, Satan can use these events, it is not that simple. It is easy the throw scripture out there, but being involved in an active church with true christian friends is a must. People will always let us down, but do not let that sway you. It is a mind set to stay plugged in and not get discouraged. I am glad you have not given suicide a foot hold, that would be satan's answer, that is something I have seen in my family. A solid Christian counselor who understands mental disorders and can discern properly the origins, can help

 

[tif]

Can you explain how that is possible? I'm seeing a contradiction right there.

Do you think that God has specifically caused every case of cancer, leprosy, lameness, blindness, illness and disability that He has healed, while here on the earth as Jesus Christ or through His followers? It is no contradiction. God can reach out and heal someone, but that doesn't mean He (or the spiritual realm) is the root of all the things He has healed. Otherwise, why didn't He cast demons out of the blind, the lame, the woman with the bleeding disorder?

Or, let's bring it into real world terms.

You have cancer. You see an oncologist who diagnoses you and starts chemotherapy. The chemo doesn't work. So, you see a surgeon who's going to remove the affected tissue. He is also going to put a radioactive pellet in a part of the tumor he can't extract.

Two years later, you're alive and in remission. So, what caused the cancer? Was it the oncologist or the surgeon? The chemo? The surgery or the pellet? I mean, those were all medical cures for the disease, right? So, if it's a medical problem, should there definitely be a medical cause? What if it was asbestos? Or too much sun? Or what if you had a cancer from birth? How about diabetes?

 

[Crypto]

Do you think that God has specifically caused every case of cancer, leprosy, lameness, blindness, illness and disability that He has healed, while here on the earth as Jesus Christ or through His followers? It is no contradiction. God can reach out and heal someone, but that doesn't mean He (or the spiritual realm) is the root of all the things He has healed. Otherwise, why didn't He cast demons out of the blind, the lame, the woman with the bleeding disorder?

Or, let's bring it into real world terms.

You have cancer. You see an oncologist who diagnoses you and starts chemotherapy. The chemo doesn't work. So, you see a surgeon who's going to remove the affected tissue. He is also going to put a radioactive pellet in a part of the tumor he can't extract.

Two years later, you're alive and in remission. So, what caused the cancer? Was it the oncologist or the surgeon? The chemo? The surgery or the pellet? I mean, those were all medical cures for the disease, right? So, if it's a medical problem, should there definitely be a medical cause? What if it was asbestos? Or too much sun? Or what if you had a cancer from birth? How about diabetes?

Caused? Maybe not, but allowed for His honor and glory? Definitely. The people who had demons had the demons cast out which healed the physical problem, that was a physical problem caused by a Spiritual problem, (which is exactly what I had in one of my previous posts), the spirit is the person, the body is just the shell. But I don't see anywhere in Scripture where a Spiritual problem is healed by anything non-spiritual.

 

[AnandaHya]

James 1: 12-18


12 Blessed is the man who endures temptation; for when he has been approved, he will receive the crown of life which the Lord has promised to those who love Him. 13 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone. 14 But each one is tempted when he is drawn away by his own desires and enticed. 15 Then, when desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, brings forth death.
16 Do not be deceived, my beloved brethren. 17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. 18 Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures.

 

[See_KING_Truth]

For a lot of diseases and disorders there are no known medicinal cures, doctors can only treat these things with medication, therapy ect. God has the power to deliver people from these things, has anybody ever heard Christ referred to as the Great Physician? With God all things are possible! I am not saying to drop your doctor or any medication being taken. However, I do believe that by putting faith in doctors and medicine that you are limiting the power of our Almighty God.

I don't exactly want to draw this into discussion, but I also feel like the FDA has cures for a lot of diseases and disorders, but they keep things things off the market in order to bring in more cash flow. It is all about the money! Think about this through greeds eyes, if they put out a cure for many of these diseases/disorders, then they could no longer collect the money from treatment, therapy ect. because it would not be needed. The FDA makes more money from the treatments and medications than they would from the cure. I have no proof of this, but it is something that I have spent a bit of time pondering...God Bless! Vahn, I pray that you be released from this bondage upon you in the name of Jesus Christ.

 

[tif]

Caused? Maybe not, but allowed for His honor and glory? Definitely. The people who had demons had the demons cast out which healed the physical problem, that was a physical problem caused by a Spiritual problem, (which is exactly what I had in one of my previous posts), the spirit is the person, the body is just the shell. But I don't see anywhere in Scripture where a Spiritual problem is healed by anything non-spiritual.

Now you're making my words into something they aren't.

There is NO non-spiritual cure for a spiritual problem. There can be, however, a spiritual cure for a non-spiritual problem.

It's a simple issue. God is the greatest Healer ever known, and He can heal all things, regardless of cause. Man's healers are limited by their finite power and ability. They can heal some physical/psychological things, some of the time. It therefore stands to reason that God can heal things of both a spiritual nature AND a physical or psychological nature.

Plus, the entire "illnesses are only caused by demonic forces/your unfaith/a deficit in character/etc" thing is very harmful to people. Stigma is a MAJOR problem with those who carry mental health diagnoses, and a major reason people don't seek the help that can save their lives.

 

[FrankensteinGirls]

vahn.
I have bipolar, anxiety,adhd.. some ocd issues and i have tactile issues..

it's something I am still dealing with. medication helps me sometimes, I have also started acupuncture which I feel is helping a bit.


I am at work now so I cant really type out much, but if you need to talk/vent or anything, please pm me. I can also give you my email as it is the best way to contact me.

 

[dovey]

I have struggled in those areas....and I am lifting you up in prayer!! just get connected with Jesus and ask Him what you need to do everyday!! I am believing that you will hear from Him! that has helped me more than anything, and be obiedent to whatever He says. Excercise is probably the second best thing....releases positive chemicals and makes me feel good about myself at the same time, which helps fight the depression Has been infinitaly more effective for me than meds ever were. God has healed me to a great extent! just wanted to let you know it is possible to be Joyfull genuinly joyfull!!!! message me if you ever want to chat God bless you and keep you

 

[Ugly]

hi Vahn
I struggled many years with bad depression. Even had minor paranoia on & off. For a while i had a good friend who was trying to overcome her severe bi-polar. I can tell you now, one of the Best things she ever did for herself. She stopped looking to blame her actions/thoughts/urges, etc, on other people, spiritual attacks, & even on her bipolar. She accepted the fact that she was capable of doing bad things. (she was a stripper, hardcore drug user, tried to kill her husband, almost left her husband for her drug dealer, cutter, multiple suicide attempts. etc) She tried, literally, ever drug they could think of to help her. She's now off meds completely & is more stable than ever. And a big part of all that was her acceptance over her sinfulness, i suppose you could say. She was a human being capable of great destruction & did need the excuse or help of a mental disorder to excuse her behavior. She knew there was no excuse. Not that 'm saying it will be some magic cure. She had other things going on as well, but it maybe help some, as something to consider. And of course, reminding yourself that not only are you capable of such deeds, but that God still forgives & loves regardless.

 

[Crypto]

Now you're making my words into something they aren't.

There is NO non-spiritual cure for a spiritual problem. There can be, however, a spiritual cure for a non-spiritual problem.

It's a simple issue. God is the greatest Healer ever known, and He can heal all things, regardless of cause. Man's healers are limited by their finite power and ability. They can heal some physical/psychological things, some of the time. It therefore stands to reason that God can heal things of both a spiritual nature AND a physical or psychological nature.

Plus, the entire "illnesses are only caused by demonic forces/your unfaith/a deficit in character/etc" thing is very harmful to people. Stigma is a MAJOR problem with those who carry mental health diagnoses, and a major reason people don't seek the help that can save their lives.

No, I wasn't making your words into anything, I was seeking clarity because what you said didn't seem right.

I agree, not all problems are "sin issues", but because some people teach that, the fact that SOME issues are related to sin is completely rejected when it is in fact true in some instances. I look at my own situation and use that as an example. It was an issue that was treated physically and never had any success because the problem was never physical it was spiritual.

 

[tif]

Crypto: If you had/have a spiritual problem, nothing apart from Jesus Christ is going to set it right.

I'm not saying all the issues we go through are physical in nature. But a Christian woman who is active in church, has a solid walk with God and tried every other avenue of treatment... That isn't a spiritual issue.

My own symptoms weren't spiritual, they were a reaction to years and years of abuse. The people who insisted it was demons really hurt me a lot. That's why I spoke up here. If it is a spiritual problem, no medication will solve it. But if it's a physical problem, putting blame on a person for not being a good enough Christian or not having enough faith is extremely detrimental.