"Lord will only few be saved?"

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• 1Cor 16:22 . . If anyone love not The Lord, let him be accursed.

One's love of The Lord is exemplified by loyalty.

"If you love me, you will comply with what I command." (John 14:15)

"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me.
(John 14:21)

"If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who does not love me
will not obey my teaching." (John 14:23-24)

Does a Muslim have to be a terrorist to be accursed? No; they only have to
be a loyal follower of Muhammad ibn `Abdullāh instead of a loyal follower of
Jesus Christ; same goes for Atheists, Nonreligious, Baha'i, Buddhists,
Chinese Universalists, Confucianists, Jains, Kabbalah mystics, Shintoists,
Spiritists, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Jews, Sikhs, and Hindus-- they're all
accursed and there is nothing to be gained in arguing about it.

How many people are in the accursed crowd? Well, according to my sources,
as of mid 2020 there were approximately:

50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
16,500,000 . . . . .Mormons
8,200,000 . . . . . .Practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
8,531,000 . . . . . .Baha'i
545,584,000 . . . .Buddhists
468,411,000 . . . .Chinese Folk Religionists
8,606,000 . . . . . .Confucianists
269,498,000 . . . .Ethnic Religionists
1,062,595,000 . . .Hindus
6,135,000 . . . . . .Jains
14,779,000 . . . . .Jews
1,893,345,000 . . Muslims
64,549,000 . . . . .New Religionists
2,788,000 . . . . . .Shintoists
28,000,000 . . . . .Sikhs
14,851,000 . . . . .Spiritists
9,078,000 . . . . . .Taoists
1,757,433,000 . . .Non Religious/Atheists/Agnostics

The grand total of just those categories is 5,710,522,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical Christianity is the truth;
then at least 74% of the earth's current population of 7.78 billion people are
on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our
friends, our loved ones, and our associates.

NOTE: I'm not saying that all those people are going to Hell, only that they
are on a road to Hell; which isn't necessarily inescapable.
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[AandW]

No, not my judgement, the judgement of the books. If people choose denominations that does not adhere to the rules, what can I say? And am I supposed to pretend like it is OK to support abortion as a christian, and expect to get into heaven? 1% is a little more than the orthodox christians I guess, so am being generous. Think what you will, I read, and I follow the judgements in the books. And some other rules regarding being a perfect christian.

Have you reached that point in your inner awareness and understanding where you believe TRUTH can be found in ALL things? Do you think you've become Enlightened?

Mind + ful + zen = being one connected body to mind to soul.

What is a true example of a Christian today?
What are the characteristics that define a Christian, in your Viewpoint?

 

[mindfulzen]

Have you reached that point in your inner awareness and understanding where you believe TRUTH can be found in ALL things? Do you think you've become Enlightened?

Mind + ful + zen = being one connected body to mind to soul.

What is a true example of a Christian today?
What are the characteristics that define a Christian, in your Viewpoint?

The truth is revealed to those who seek it genuinly, in all things? I do not know what you mean by all things. Not sure what you mean by enlightened, I am somewhat, but have not finished reading, so I am diligently going to read more. Are you trying to make me guilty of the 7 deadly sins? Pride? Will not work if so.

chop up my nick and define it as you wish.

The true example of a christian today, is the same as it ever was, from the beginning. After Adam ate the apple and man was presented a new set of rules to abide by. It is very simple the basics, but in an everincreasing world of new inventions and opportunities to sin, we must think a little more and do not walk into sinful new pitfalls.

The characteristics is just about believing, full faith, not breaking the commendments, the 7 deadly sins, and a bunch of other rules that most people are unawere of. And get a personal relationship with God. Thinking for yourself after gathering the information to make an informed choice. Active faith, not passive, lead yourself, do not be lead by others preaching, let God lead you. And then narrow the path. A good start is to spend sunday working on your faith. Quiet time, reading verses, denying yourself cravings, just about God.

 

[AandW]

The truth is revealed to those who seek it genuinly, in all things? I do not know what you mean by all things. Not sure what you mean by enlightened, I am somewhat, but have not finished reading, so I am diligently going to read more. Are you trying to make me guilty of the 7 deadly sins? Pride? Will not work if so.

chop up my nick and define it as you wish.

The true example of a christian today, is the same as it ever was, from the beginning. After Adam ate the apple and man was presented a new set of rules to abide by. It is very simple the basics, but in an everincreasing world of new inventions and opportunities to sin, we must think a little more and do not walk into sinful new pitfalls.

The characteristics is just about believing, full faith, not breaking the commendments, the 7 deadly sins, and a bunch of other rules that most people are unawere of. And get a personal relationship with God. Thinking for yourself after gathering the information to make an informed choice. Active faith, not passive, lead yourself, do not be lead by others preaching, let God lead you. And then narrow the path. A good start is to spend sunday working on your faith. Quiet time, reading verses, denying yourself cravings, just about God.

Let me ask it this way:

You mentioned in another post only 1% of those calling themselves Christian are actually Christ Like enough to make it to Heaven.

Can you explain why the other 99% are not going, where their deceptions in false doctrines lie at, or is it something else keeping them back?

 

[mindfulzen]

Let me ask it this way:

You mentioned in another post only 1% of those calling themselves Christian are actually Christ Like enough to make it to Heaven.

Can you explain why the other 99% are not going, where their deceptions in false doctrines lie at, or is it something else keeping them back?

I do not believe I typed Christlike. I typed that they will not get to enter the kingdom of God. Americans are weird, it is all about the Jesus for you it seems, forgetting that he points to God. And let me give you a logical fail in that regards, if we had to be Christlike, how many would go to Heaven? Like 0%. The bar is not that high for us, and if it was it would be mission impossible for us. I explained where the guesstimate of 1% comes from, the denomination groups in statistics. I believe we must go the orthodox route. Deprive ourselves, not be so needy, being present, calm and concentrated while seeking God. Narrowing the path gradually, let nothing hold you back in this world. And something as easy as fear of death can certainly hold people back. If people fear death, and is not prepared and ready to go, it could be a big problem for the soul if they got covid and did not make it. And spent their last times being scared. Follow the rules, be prepared, and be ready to drop the anchors holding you to this world when the time comes.

 

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FAQ: God can see the future?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would regret creating mankind?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance, before creating even the first particle for the
cosmos, that the He would need to wipe out just about all mankind in a
global Flood?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would be condemning millions of
His creations to a fiery death in the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15?

A: Yes.

FAQ: And yet God proceeded to create mankind anyway; knowing in
advance what would befall so many of them?

A: Yes.
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[Blik]

I firmly believe that only 1% of christians will get to go to heaven.

Scripture tells us that every person who lives by faith in Christ will be saved. It also tells us that faith means all those whose faith leads them to do His will, faith as scripture tells of it is not a matter of belief that only the mind does, it means hanging our entire life on the words of Jesus.

We need to choose: Jesus or the world. The world is in our media, in newspapers, in our culture, and we are hammered with the world constantly. Very few are closing their minds to the world and only following Christ. It even includes how we handle our money and most keep their money apart from the Lord's instructions. I don't think the Lord wants us to spend His money that he gives us control of on buildings, but on people.

That was the church for 300 years after Christ until Constantine took control f the church as ran it as he ran his nation, with the ways of the world. He changed the church and it remains changed today.

Billy Graham was one of the few, John Wesley ... they went straight down to the broad path to bring out great multitudes from off it, got 'em saved.

I see many, many [if I can say without being over judgemental] christians who are saved and yet are still on the same broad path they were on before they were saved, they are not on the narrow path of the gladsome heart, they are not happy and blest christians, rather they are still being destroyed so far as this life is concerned.[/QUOTtE] If the Lord looks at Christians as the cchurch today does, then many will be saved. The church changed drtjamatically when Constantine took it over and ruled it as he ruled the world of Rome. The church for 300 years was a church of people who believed in living as Christ told them to live with perfect faith in that it was the right way. They gave away their wealth, their pleasures weren't in the sports arena but with loving and loving each other even eating their meals together. They grew in number under the world's ways but lost in devotion to the Lord.

Their faith in Christ wasn't limited to faith in his ability to save, it was faith in every word that came from him. Perhaps this is the walk we are required to walk. Christ said that the gate in narrow and few find it.

 

[Evmur]

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FAQ: God can see the future?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would regret creating mankind?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance, before creating even the first particle for the
cosmos, that the He would need to wipe out just about all mankind in a
global Flood?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would be condemning millions of
His creations to a fiery death in the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15?

A: Yes.

FAQ: And yet God proceeded to create mankind anyway; knowing in
advance what would befall so many of them?

A: Yes.
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[mailmandan]

Few will be saved because there are few who are genuinely by faith trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1) Sadly, many are trusting in works. (Matthew 7:22-23)

 

[Evmur]

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FAQ: God can see the future?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would regret creating mankind?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance, before creating even the first particle for the
cosmos, that the He would need to wipe out just about all mankind in a
global Flood?

A: Yes.

FAQ: God knew in advance that He would be condemning millions of
His creations to a fiery death in the lake of fire depicted by Rev 20:11-15?

A: Yes.

FAQ: And yet God proceeded to create mankind anyway; knowing in
advance what would befall so many of them?

A: Yes.
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Foreknowing is not foreplanning. Did God regret creating YOU? You need to dig deeper than this. He regretted creating those before the flood ... is that the end of the story? NO

No it is not the end of the story. Peter tells us that after Christ was raised He went into the spirit world to those who perished before the flood and preached the gospel unto them.

God did not plan or foreplan man' s sin He foreplanned their salvation in the light of His foreknowledge that man would rebel.

Who says there will be more goats than sheeps? that the tares would be more numerous than the wheat? or the vipers more in number than the doves?

The sheep in Matt 25 are not the church anyway ... "these My brethren" are the church.

 

[Evmur]

Few will be saved because there are few who are genuinely by faith trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1) Sadly, many are trusting in works. (Matthew 7:22-23)

There is yet an age to come

 

[Evmur]

Scripture tells us that every person who lives by faith in Christ will be saved. It also tells us that faith means all those whose faith leads them to do His will, faith as scripture tells of it is not a matter of belief that only the mind does, it means hanging our entire life on the words of Jesus.

We need to choose: Jesus or the world. The world is in our media, in newspapers, in our culture, and we are hammered with the world constantly. Very few are closing their minds to the world and only following Christ. It even includes how we handle our money and most keep their money apart from the Lord's instructions. I don't think the Lord wants us to spend His money that he gives us control of on buildings, but on people.

That was the church for 300 years after Christ until Constantine took control f the church as ran it as he ran his nation, with the ways of the world. He changed the church and it remains changed today.

That's a misquote and is a serious error.
It nowhere says every person who lives by faith in Christ will be saved. It says whosoever believeth in Him shall be saved. If we will be disciples we must be holy, we must manifest His works IN US. Never-the-less the condition for salvation is only grace through faith.

 

[Evmur]

Few will be saved because there are few who are genuinely by faith trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1) Sadly, many are trusting in works. (Matthew 7:22-23)

Hi Mailmandan

I think you believe in revival

I think you know that the church is not in a generally revived state though good things are happening. Let me pose this question.

If the church was in a generally revived state would more souls be saved?. If then there are more potentially who could be saved but who are not saved and may die in that condition who is to blame?

Put it another way MILLIONS are being saved in China today, they never heard the gospel before, if they had heard it earlier they would have been saved earlier. What about their forefathers who never heard the gospel? would they surely have not been saved?

How does this equate to Evangelical doctrine as it now stands concerning the last judgement? even among Pentecostal/Charismatics?

I think the doctrine is wrong ... the truth is most definitely in the bible but it is not being understood.

One third of the angels fell with Lucifer, I expect [despite everything our eyes may tell us] that one third of mankind will continue in rebellion.

I certainly believe that Jesus is the only Saviour.

 

[Evmur]

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• 1Cor 16:22 . . If anyone love not The Lord, let him be accursed.

One's love of The Lord is exemplified by loyalty.

"If you love me, you will comply with what I command." (John 14:15)

"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me.
(John 14:21)

"If anyone loves me, he will obey my teaching . . He who does not love me
will not obey my teaching." (John 14:23-24)

Does a Muslim have to be a terrorist to be accursed? No; they only have to
be a loyal follower of Muhammad ibn `Abdullāh instead of a loyal follower of
Jesus Christ; same goes for Atheists, Nonreligious, Baha'i, Buddhists,
Chinese Universalists, Confucianists, Jains, Kabbalah mystics, Shintoists,
Spiritists, Taoists, Zoroastrians, Jews, Sikhs, and Hindus-- they're all
accursed and there is nothing to be gained in arguing about it.

How many people are in the accursed crowd? Well, according to my sources,
as of mid 2020 there were approximately:

50,000 . . . . . . . . Scientologists
16,500,000 . . . . .Mormons
8,200,000 . . . . . .Practicing Jehovah's Witnesses
8,531,000 . . . . . .Baha'i
545,584,000 . . . .Buddhists
468,411,000 . . . .Chinese Folk Religionists
8,606,000 . . . . . .Confucianists
269,498,000 . . . .Ethnic Religionists
1,062,595,000 . . .Hindus
6,135,000 . . . . . .Jains
14,779,000 . . . . .Jews
1,893,345,000 . . Muslims
64,549,000 . . . . .New Religionists
2,788,000 . . . . . .Shintoists
28,000,000 . . . . .Sikhs
14,851,000 . . . . .Spiritists
9,078,000 . . . . . .Taoists
1,757,433,000 . . .Non Religious/Atheists/Agnostics

The grand total of just those categories is 5,710,522,000

If those figures are in the ball park, and if classical Christianity is the truth;
then at least 74% of the earth's current population of 7.78 billion people are
on a road to Hell; and no doubt some of those are people we know: our
friends, our loved ones, and our associates.

NOTE: I'm not saying that all those people are going to Hell, only that they
are on a road to Hell; which isn't necessarily inescapable.
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You are in the same trap the Jews got into. They believed that when Messias came He would kill everyone except the Jews ... you believe the same.

I believe when He comes He will set up His kingdom here on earth and the rest of mankind will come in.

Paul's understanding of the Day of the Lord was different to the Jewish understanding .... Amillennialism is the Jewish understanding.

 

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An interesting picture of Heaven is a tall mountain with many roads all
around the base heading towards the top. In Christianity, only one of those
roads makes it all the way up. The remainder are a confusing assortment of
loops that take people back down to where they started; making it difficult
for travelers to find a way up.

In interesting picture of Hell is an enormous crater with many roads all
around its rim heading towards the bottom. In Christianity, every one of
those roads make it all the way. None are loops taking people back up
to where they started; making it easy for travelers to find a way down.
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Did God regret creating YOU?

Yes.
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FAQ: Does John 3:16-17 indicate that God is affectionate?

"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that
whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God
sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should
be saved through him."

A: The Greek verb translated "loved" in that passage is conjugated from
agapao, which is typically impersonal. It's a benevolent kind of love that
expresses itself in neighborly ways like kindness, generosity, tolerance,
patience, courtesy, civility, pity, and good will. Agapao love is the kind love
depicted in the story of the Good Samaritan.

In other words: God sympathizes with the world's spiritual condition and has
offered to do something about it; but that shouldn't be construed to mean
that that God is fond of the world. In point of fact, God quite despises
human life on the whole and regrets its creation. (Gen 6:6)

God requires people to practice agapao with their enemies (Matt 5:43-48)
and He has exemplified that rule to an extreme.

• Rom 5:10 . .When we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the
death of his Son
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[mindfulzen]

Scripture tells us that every person who lives by faith in Christ will be saved. It also tells us that faith means all those whose faith leads them to do His will, faith as scripture tells of it is not a matter of belief that only the mind does, it means hanging our entire life on the words of Jesus.

We need to choose: Jesus or the world. The world is in our media, in newspapers, in our culture, and we are hammered with the world constantly. Very few are closing their minds to the world and only following Christ. It even includes how we handle our money and most keep their money apart from the Lord's instructions. I don't think the Lord wants us to spend His money that he gives us control of on buildings, but on people.

That was the church for 300 years after Christ until Constantine took control f the church as ran it as he ran his nation, with the ways of the world. He changed the church and it remains changed today.

No, this is wrong, you ignore God and rules. Do as you wish

 

[ResidentAlien]

No, this is wrong, you ignore God and rules. Do as you wish

Huh?

 

[Blik]

That's a misquote and is a serious error.
It nowhere says every person who lives by faith in Christ will be saved. It says whosoever believeth in Him shall be saved. If we will be disciples we must be holy, we must manifest His works IN US. Never-the-less the condition for salvation is only grace through faith.

I agree that misquoting scripture is very serious and I certainly want to be sure I do not do this. What scripture, please, do you think I am doing this to? If you are correct I need to change it.

Perhaps it is a difference in interpretation of "whoever believes in him". The early church felt that meant believing in all Christ said, today's church believes it only means believing that Christ can save. If this is the case, then it is a matter of interpretation, not a matter of misquoting scripture.