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Thanks.
Please do presume I don't know what the Orthodox believe.n't presume I dont
No, not doing it. You ask, state clearly, or I will not answer. And you have some typos, cannot make out the last portion, and the entire thing is vague, so obviously impossible for me to reply to apart from telling you that I will not assume or presume. If you seek answers, you will find a way to get it. Seek and you shall find, I am not a missionary. You do you, not going to push you. I do not think anybody should be guided by another man, only be made awere, then you find it on your own. I find no gospel in what any modern day missionaries say, so can only share views, cannot tell you what you should do. The gospels have been written a long time ago, consider them for yourself. All I can say is that the apostles had apostles under them who carried on the works, and they point back to the OT. You find for yourself. Add what you want, discard what you want, your faith, your choice, your limitations and wants.
 

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No, not doing it. You ask, state clearly, or I will not answer. And you have some typos, cannot make out the last portion, and the entire thing is vague, so obviously impossible for me to reply to apart from telling you that I will not assume or presume. If you seek answers, you will find a way to get it. Seek and you shall find, I am not a missionary. You do you, not going to push you. I do not think anybody should be guided by another man, only be made awere, then you find it on your own. I find no gospel in what any modern day missionaries say, so can only share views, cannot tell you what you should do. The gospels have been written a long time ago, consider them for yourself. All I can say is that the apostles had apostles under them who carried on the works, and they point back to the OT. You find for yourself. Add what you want, discard what you want, your faith, your choice, your limitations and wants.
Definately the wrong member for your reply. Not a thing in my quote you have there warrants your reply attached to it.
 
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Definately the wrong member for your reply. Not a thing in my quote you have there warrants your reply attached to it.
You chose to reply to my comment, which was pasted when I replied to you. If you just wanted to make a speech or make a jab, that is your choice. But your reply to my comment will be adressed, just the way it is.

1. You started by calling me judgemental in my comment, I explained it was judgement from God. After you took 3% of my response to another nick out of context by pasting it and replying to it. I clarified in good faith, telling you that we had to be perfect to get into heaven.

2. Then you pivoted to asking me if I was a perfect christian, as I explained I was not. And typing that God judges, not us, as I just clarified that was my reason, pretending like it opposed my comment. Stated clearly that I would go to hell if I died tomorrow, since I have not prayed yet, telling you I am an unperfect christian, have got the faith, have not done the work yet. According to my belief.

3. Then you dodge, and I again replied in good faith, in full, telling you to do what is right for you, and you dodge totally, pretending that my replies was not warranted to you. It is not honest, and hard to pretend it is good faith and not report you. Think it over. If I had a problem with being attacked for my faith, or being victim of bad faith, I would act differently. But I want to live christlike, so I ignore it, and ask you to respect our differences in faith instead, and we move along. Not trying to win you over, not trying to dictate your life.
 
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Nope. Not doing it.
I know, you do not reply to my comment here either, you backtrack. For some reason you do not want to go into any specifics now. After accusing much. You did more than challenge as you know. I forgive you. Move along. No more beef here.
 

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Lets see its His books, man always tellings few will be saved. Man also telling us what Gods word is really saying. I personally believe who ever simply calls on His name will be saved. I personally believe that many millions if not billions can be blind and if blind they would have no sin. Some say they can see so there sin remains. HAHA in this movie I just watched.. its perfect here. The man was saying "we should all pray to God" Guy walks up asks "whos God we praying to?"

Which "Jesus" is God holding man accountable, as in to be saved? Do all denominations preach the same? Just read here what some personally believe Gods word says. As we look we see so many are blind. Don't we each know what groups out there are not of God right :). If I take what is written in REV.. that number of those US in heaven.. how great is that number? Or let me guess what that really mean is haha. "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"

Hmm gee who are those FEW that were saved.
 

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I know, you do not reply to my comment here either, you backtrack. For some reason you do not want to go into any specifics now. After accusing much. You did more than challenge as you know. I forgive you. Move along. No more beef here.
I don't need your forgiveness nor accept it.

You're like another one here. You make statements, then when those are addressed or countered as not as factual as you perceive, you backtrack. Then, as now, you put the blame onme so to avoid responsibility for your statements.
Your self righteous demeanor is flawed by your back tracking inconsistencies.

And casting blame on those you pull that stunt on in no way makes us guilty of your behavior you're not mature enough to stop, or accept responsibility for.

And you'll pull that again in replying to this I'm sure. And that will prove it.

People come to a CF and enter BDF in hopes of engaging in sincere Exegesis.

Finding those whose purpose and intent is to make that forum a garbage pit of dysfunctional trolling acting out against the faithful they loath and despise, while transparently losing in their effort to pass as one of us, only reiterates the truth in scripture.
We don't war against enemies and principalities that are flesh and blood. But against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms, who occupy flesh and blood servants and then join forums committed to Christ.

Thinking their pathetic, evil, fallen, corrupt, demonic intent and behavior, while putting on the transparent disguise of Christ, will make the faith appear to be counterfeit by their sorry example.

That shouldn't upset us much. Rather, it should assure Christians Satan is mighty threatened to resort to such efforts in recruiting to his service such pliable minds lacking character.

And if that gets me banned?
I forgive you. It had to be said. For they are legion.
 

Icedaisey

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Lets see its His books, man always tellings few will be saved. Man also telling us what Gods word is really saying. I personally believe who ever simply calls on His name will be saved. I personally believe that many millions if not billions can be blind and if blind they would have no sin. Some say they can see so there sin remains. HAHA in this movie I just watched.. its perfect here. The man was saying "we should all pray to God" Guy walks up asks "whos God we praying to?"

Which "Jesus" is God holding man accountable, as in to be saved? Do all denominations preach the same? Just read here what some personally believe Gods word says. As we look we see so many are blind. Don't we each know what groups out there are not of God right :). If I take what is written in REV.. that number of those US in heaven.. how great is that number? Or let me guess what that really mean is haha. "After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;"

Hmm gee who are those FEW that were saved.
Guaranteed, the one casting such assumptions is certain they're among that number.

Or are they. Lower case "c" , when referring to Christian(s). Referring to the books, instead of Bible. Bible being derived from Biblos.
Lower case "g" for God too? Likely.

I investigated a few atheist forums years ago to see what they were about.

Wry humor turns out.
The most popular topics bar none? God and Christianity.
Lower case, god, christ,christianity. Why? They had no respect for the claims of the faith, so why respect its proper spellings?
 
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I don't need your forgiveness nor accept it.

You're like another one here. You make statements, then when those are addressed or countered as not as factual as you perceive, you backtrack. Then, as now, you put the blame onme so to avoid responsibility for your statements.
Your self righteous demeanor is flawed by your back tracking inconsistencies.

And casting blame on those you pull that stunt on in no way makes us guilty of your behavior you're not mature enough to stop, or accept responsibility for.

And you'll pull that again in replying to this I'm sure. And that will prove it.

People come to a CF and enter BDF in hopes of engaging in sincere Exegesis.

Finding those whose purpose and intent is to make that forum a garbage pit of dysfunctional trolling acting out against the faithful they loath and despise, while transparently losing in their effort to pass as one of us, only reiterates the truth in scripture.
We don't war against enemies and principalities that are flesh and blood. But against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms, who occupy flesh and blood servants and then join forums committed to Christ.

Thinking their pathetic, evil, fallen, corrupt, demonic intent and behavior, while putting on the transparent disguise of Christ, will make the faith appear to be counterfeit by their sorry example.

That shouldn't upset us much. Rather, it should assure Christians Satan is mighty threatened to resort to such efforts in recruiting to his service such pliable minds lacking character.

And if that gets me banned?
I forgive you. It had to be said. For they are legion.
You chose to de engage me, after attacking me personally, your choice. I can take back my forgiveness of you, fine. If Satan wants you to stay or go, or God, that is not up to me. Did I say I was going to report you? No, I said I could. I will not report you. People make mistakes, people get angry, I am not reporting you. Not going into your thing about leaders and not holding ourself accountable, that is your thing, not mine. I wish you good night. If you do not want to be banned after getting reported, this is not a good comment to make, just FYI
 
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This question was posed to the Lord. The answer was to enter by the narrow gate ( Jesus ). Why do one question the faith of christians, it is not our job. But consider how many today believe every religion will get us to heaven.

Luke 17:34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”
 

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Seems to me He answered pretty directly: "For many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."—Luke 13:24

He doesn't give a specific number, but many will seek to enter and not be able.

In Mathew 7 He contrasts many with few: Many find the road that leads to destruction; but few find the way that leads to life.
Billy Graham was one of the few, John Wesley ... they went straight down to the broad path to bring out great multitudes from off it, got 'em saved.

I see many, many [if I can say without being over judgemental] christians who are saved and yet are still on the same broad path they were on before they were saved, they are not on the narrow path of the gladsome heart, they are not happy and blest christians, rather they are still being destroyed so far as this life is concerned.
 

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Billy Graham was one of the few, John Wesley ... they went straight down to the broad path to bring out great multitudes from off it, got 'em saved.

I see many, many [if I can say without being over judgemental] christians who are saved and yet are still on the same broad path they were on before they were saved, they are not on the narrow path of the gladsome heart, they are not happy and blest christians, rather they are still being destroyed so far as this life is concerned.
Billy Graham wasn't one of the few. He sold out and hopped on the broad road of ecumenism. This clip may surprise a lot of people.


I don't know a lot about John Wesley. I do know he practiced divination (bibliomancy); and he carried out many emotional affairs with women in his ministry: today we'd call it abuse of power.

They were both on the broad way but not in a good sense. I don't believe either one was all that sincere; they were self-aggrandizers.

If someone is walking the same way they were before getting "saved," I hate to give you the bad news—they're not saved. God will give a person time to change, but if they refuse and continue to walk their own way, they've rejected Him.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."—1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Unfortunately, too many are deceived.
 

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Billy Graham wasn't one of the few. He sold out and hopped on the broad road of ecumenism. This clip may surprise a lot of people.


I don't know a lot about John Wesley. I do know he practiced divination (bibliomancy); and he carried out many emotional affairs with women in his ministry: today we'd call it abuse of power.

They were both on the broad way but not in a good sense. I don't believe either one was all that sincere; they were self-aggrandizers.

If someone is walking the same way they were before getting "saved," I hate to give you the bad news—they're not saved. God will give a person time to change, but if they refuse and continue to walk their own way, they've rejected Him.

"Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God."—1 Corinthians 6:9-11

Unfortunately, too many are deceived.
Your opinion is out there. I don't agree with Billy here and I don't agree with your spirit.

BG tightened up his testimony in his last years. MILLIONS were reached through his testimony. Your views on John Wesley are wrong and ill informed.
 

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I firmly believe that only 1% of christians will get to go to heaven.
100% of Christians will go to heaven but I agree with what you meant to say, 1% of professing Christians will enter the kingdom.

Over 200m professing Christians in the US divided by 50 states 4m in each state. Now divide by the number of counties in your state and take a look around…
Obviously flawed mathematically but you get the point.
 
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100% of Christians will go to heaven but I agree with what you meant to say, 1% of professing Christians will enter the kingdom.

Over 200m professing Christians in the US divided by 50 states 4m in each state. Now divide by the number of counties in your state and take a look around…
Obviously flawed mathematically but you get the point.
You got it, that is what I meant. Just being careful to not call other proclaimed christians for fake christians. Since we should conversate in harmony with eachother. And yes, you get the number by stats and math, we have the numbers of members in various denominations, so can do good guestimates.
 

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According to Jesus Christ's testimony as a credible expert witness in all
matters pertaining to the afterlife; the majority of the world's responsible
souls haven't been making it to safety when they cross over to the other
side.

Luke 13:22-24 . . And he went through the cities and villages, teaching,
and journeying toward Jerusalem. Then said one unto him, master, are there
few that be saved? And he said unto them: Strive to enter in at the strait
gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.

Matt 7:13-14 . . Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and
broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But
small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find
it.

Matt 22:14 . . For many are called, but few are chosen.

Webster's defines "many" as consisting of, or amounting to, a large but
indefinite number; while "few" is defined as consisting of, or amounting to,
only a small number; viz: relative to many then, few is the lesser. Bear with
me while I flesh this out.

According to the US Census Bureau: as of Sept 11, 2021 @ 08:34 am New
York Time, the resident population in the United States was approximately
332,733,456with a death rate of approximately one every 12 seconds; which
translates to an average of 7,200 American deaths of all ages, races, and
genders during just one 24-hour calendar day.

According to 2009 US Census data; roughly 27.3% of America's daily deaths
were under the age of 19, which would indicate that approximately 5,234 of
the current daily death rate per 24 hours are adults.

Giving the "many" the benefit of the doubt by limiting their maximum
percentage to 51%, would indicate a minimum of 2,669 American adults
transferring to perdition every day: which translates to roughly 111 per
hour.

That's a very conservative estimate as Christ didn't really specify exact
percentages to represent the quantities of "few" and "many". But just think:
by the time CBS completes its half hour evening news report, a bare-bones
minimum of 55 Americans become new arrivals in the fiery sector of the
netherworld.

Using the ratio of 2,669 condemned souls per 332,733,456 population:
computing the number of condemned souls worldwide from a currently
estimated global population of 7,788,708,475 people, would suggest
something like 62,477 new arrivals in the fiery sector of the netherworld
every 24 hours; which translates to roughly 2,603 souls every sixty minutes
on the clock.

Yankee Stadium's football seating capacity is 54,251. At the rate of 2,603
souls per hour, those seats would be filled in roughly 20 hours and 50
minutes. In other words: if the world's daily number of condemned souls
started filing into the stadium at 06:00 am this morning, then by 02:50 am
tonight the stadium's seats would be maxed.

Christmas and New Year are even worse. A study done of 26 years of death
certificates shows that coronary fatalities are, on average, 11.9% higher on
those days than any other days of the year; with non-heart deaths spiking to
12.2% higher.

The netherworld never closes; no, not at all: it's open for business 24/7/365
nonstop and indifferent to climate change, Wall Street crashes, massive
layoffs, outsourcing, high school shootings, terrorism, tsunamis,
earthquakes, hurricanes, storm surges, nuclear meltdowns, air, water, and
soil pollution, a mission to Mars, freeway pile-ups, brown-outs, threatened
species, the price of oil, election fraud, pipelines, student debt, GMO, trade
deficits, Antifa, Black Lives Matter, North Korea's nukes, Federal debt,
factory recalls, overpopulation, desertification, genocides, revolutions, civil
wars, Covid-19, acid rain, road rage, oil spills, conscious decoupling, ISIS,
LGBT marriage, blood diamonds, fracking, twerking, Taliban, and/or the
spread of Communism.

If standard Christianity's perception of Jesus Christ and the hereafter is
correct; then it's apparent that souls never stop cascading into the abyss in
an endless procession like the unbelievable millions of poultry broilers
passing annually through Tyson chicken-processing plants on their way to
Wendy's, McDonalds, Carl's Junior, Jack in the Box, Burger King, Chic-fil-A,
KFC, A&W, Arby's, Dairy Queen, Taco Bell, et al; and to supermarkets and
restaurants all over the USA and wherever else Tyson vends its meats. The
slaughtering and the butchering never stop.
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Your opinion is out there. I don't agree with Billy here and I don't agree with your spirit.

BG tightened up his testimony in his last years. MILLIONS were reached through his testimony. Your views on John Wesley are wrong and ill informed.
You're wrong about Wesley. His marriage was a disaster; he was verbally and emotionally abuse to his wife and he sought solace with his female disciples during his long periods away from his wife. You're the one ill-informed.

The only thing you object to about my spirit is that I love the truth, which obviously you don't.
 

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You're wrong about Wesley. His marriage was a disaster; he was verbally and emotionally abuse to his wife and he sought solace with his female disciples during his long periods away from his wife. You're the one ill-informed.

The only thing you object to about my spirit is that I love the truth, which obviously you don't.
You're wrong about Wesley. His marriage was a disaster; he was verbally and emotionally abuse to his wife and he sought solace with his female disciples during his long periods away from his wife. You're the one ill-informed.

The only thing you object to about my spirit is that I love the truth, which obviously you don't.
I am aware of everything concerning ... if you ever find yourself in the front lines like he was you will understand better about spiritual warfare. Before you slag down other servants of God.
 

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Every one who God chose will be saved without fail, Praise our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who cannot fail,

What a blessing to Know the son of God I hope you do also Dont worry about others how many or why or how.

Just give God all the credit for a perfect job thru his son the risen exalted God His name is JESUS CHRIST THE LORD
 

ResidentAlien

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Every one who God chose will be saved without fail, Praise our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who cannot fail,

What a blessing to Know the son of God I hope you do also Dont worry about others how many or why or how.

Just give God all the credit for a perfect job thru his son the risen exalted God His name is JESUS CHRIST THE LORD
AMEN, I totally agree.

I don't concern myself with others unless they start teaching lies. My concern is for the body, and defending her against fraud and heresy. The problem is, fraud has become so common we've accepted it into the body and it's leading too many people down the wide road.