Why do Christians believe in a place of torment called Hell?

[Duckybill]

I think you have just run out of things to justify. And now Focus on me personally.

Unsaved humans will suffer the exact same fate as Satan and his angels! FOREVER and EVER!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

 

[laymen]

Bosting clams? lol

You have not proven they can so its just bosting clam at them moment.

 

[laymen]

Unsaved humans will suffer the exact same fate as Satan and his angels! FOREVER and EVER!

Matthew 25:41 (NKJV)
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Revelation 20:10 (NKJV)
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Telling me your point of view of a verse does not make something true. nor help you broaden your horizons

 

[Duckybill]

You have not proven they can so its just bosting clam at them moment.

And you still haven't disproved the Scripture that Jesus gave DETAILED description!

"The rich man also died"
"being in torments"
"he cried"
"I am tormented in this flame"
"this place of torment"

 

[Duckybill]

Telling me your point of view of a verse does not make something true. nor help you broaden your horizons

I quoted perfectly clear Scripture. You didn't.

 

[laymen]

I quoted perfectly clear Scripture. You didn't.

And the topic was?? When you get up set you lose focus. I pray we can stay on topic without slander or attacking one another. Bless you.

 

[Duckybill]

And the topic was?? When you get up set you lose focus. I pray we can stay on topic without slander or attacking one another. Bless you.

Is Michael your God?

 

[Duckybill]

Until layman states they are indeed SDA you're jousting with such remarks at your own strawman. You're attacking your own imagination thinking it insults someone else.

@layman, your profile limits who may view it. Why was it funny that I asked you to clarify if you are SDA when I am not able to see your personal profile info due to your settings?

It helps if you are not, to say so. This may alleviate the personal attack and slander headed your way as some think right here.

Is Michael your God?

 

[laymen]

God is a consuming fire. Heb 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

The Goodness of God is so Good that we must have Him in us to survive seeing him in all his glory. AMP 2 Th 2:8 And then the lawless one (the antichrist) will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by His appearing at His coming. [Isa. 11:4.]10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

KJV 2th 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming

2 peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will vanish (pass away) with a thunderous crash, and the [material] elements [of the universe] will be dissolved with fire, and the earth and the works that are upon it will be burned up.

Everything we know now will no longer be here, the Heavens and earth will vanish. And everything will burn up

KJV Rev 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


KJV Mal 4:1 For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.

When God burns up something its gone all consuming.

 

[laymen]

Is Michael your God?

God bless you brother for you know not what you do nor say. I believe the topic is Hell.

 

[Duckybill]

God bless you brother for you know not what you do nor say. I believe the topic is Hell.

Jesus is my God. Michael is an angel. Don't SDA's believe Michael is their God? That might be an interesting thread.

 

[laymen]

Jesus is my God. Michael is an angel. Don't SDA's believe Michael is their God? That might be an interesting thread.

To my knowledge some might...

 

[Duckybill]

To my knowledge some might...

I know some SDA's insist that Michael is Jesus / God. But the Bible says he isn't.

 

[laymen]

I know some SDA's insist that Michael is Jesus / God. But the Bible says he isn't.

Well Good for them. I think you insist or obsess a little to much. But the bible says we have to put up with each other.

 

[Duckybill]

Well Good for them. I think you insist or obsess a little to much. But the bible says we have to put up with each other.

Their God is Michael and you say "good for them"? The Bible says VERY BAD for them! Yeah, I "obsess" that the Bible overrules Satanic opinions like Michael is God.

 

[rayzor]

In a way every one is God.It's just god & his imagination.

 

[TheLearner]

Did God say... they would be punished "forever" night and day with everlasting punishment.... Well forever doesn't mean forever and everlasting punishment doesn't mean everlasting....You'll just be anilliated forever doesn't really mean forever.

Now that sounds like something the SNAKE in the garden would've said.

You are guilty of a word study fallacy just like the Concordant Translation.

see page 45 https://books.google.com/books?id=t...dant Translation fallacies age to age&f=false

see page 90 https://books.google.com/books?id=S...ge&q=Concordant Translation fallacies&f=false

"
Questions Concerning His Concordant Version
All along Knoch worked on his Concordant Version of the scriptures, for which he is best known and I believe he would consider his life’s accomplishment. The question that arises is whether or not he allowed his doctrinal prejudice to influence his translation. Up until now I had thought it an unbiased translation and for the most part it may very well be. However, holding such strong views we can not but expect that they have had some influence. After looking deeper into his doctrines I have found some matters I am concerned about. They are the translations of some verses on which hangs his doctrine which states Christ to be a creature and not of the Godhead:
https://agatheringinchrist.com/articles/ae-knoch-errors-in-doctrine.html


"

 

[TheLearner]

It doesn't say person the doesn't die, does it? It wouldn't be called second death if the person stays alive.





That is only written to happen to devil, not anyone else and that is likely a figure of speech rather than literal.

Why in the same passage that happens to the devil is literal and to humans figurative?

 

[TheLearner]

Oh dear,

Have fun with that. The whole Body soul and spirit thing. The book of Gen is clear the body plus spirit = Living soul. No There is no spirit of your self that floats up to heaven when you die. It is the breath of life that goes back to God. This whole Body soul spirit thing was made up by pagan teachings. The Vs you posted about the worm dies not, As Major, Manson, and Wright (The Mission and Message of Jesus, p. 123) comment, “The undying worm is not the symbol of a soul which cannot die, but is the symbol of corruption which cannot be purged.” In v. 43 “ of mark 9:48 life” is set forth in contrast with “the fire that never shall be quenched.” In Rom. 6:23 and many other scriptures “life” stands in contrast with “death.” In John 3:16 the contrast is between “everlasting life” and “perishing.” It is obvious that Jesus here intends the same contrast.

The living soul thing is outdated. Scripture is progressive Paul wrote somewhere humans have a Body, soul and spirit.

 

[TheLearner]

I'll take the Bible over Strong's any day.

That's your opinion. Everlasting fire is Jesus' "opinion". I'll take His Word.

The Christian Bible is about the FEAR of God.

A SDA did publish Clear Word Translation. https://www.amazon.com/Clear-Word-Jack-Blanco-ebook/dp/B006GWSTB8