50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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IT SAYS HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU, SO THE HOLY SPIRIT NEVER WAS THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
IF YOU GET AROUND TRUE CHRISTIANS, SUCH AS A CHURCH SETTING, YOU CAN FEEL THE PRESENTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT. NOT THAT HE IS IN YOU, BUT RATHER HE IS THE OTHERS. SOME PEOPLE THINK THAT IS PROOF THAT YOU HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN, WHEN IT NEVER HAPPENED.
WHERE I COME FROM, THAT IS CALLED THE SPLASH EFFECT. THEY GET SOME OF BENIFITS OF BEING AROUND THE HOLY SPIRIT, WITHOUT ACTUALLY HAVING HIM ENTER YOUR HEART. THE BIBLE CALLS THAT ONLY TASTING THE HOLY SPIRIT. WHILE WE LITERALLY RECEIVE HIM, WE TAKE HIM INTO OUR HEARTS, BIG DIFFERENCE.
Hebrews 6:4-6 (HCSB)
4 For it is impossible to renew to repentance those who were once enlightened, who tasted the heavenly gift, became companions with the Holy Spirit,
5 tasted God’s good word and the powers of the coming age,
6 and who have fallen away, because, to their own harm, they are recrucifying the Son of God and holding Him up to contempt.
Therefore that is a pretend psuedo Christian, who has never been Genuinely SAVED. They like being around other Real Christian, because of splash effect of the Holy Spirit they get. BUT eventually they will fall away.
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us.
However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
Sometimes I can feel another REAL CHRISTIAN around me, even on a crowded bus. I strike up a conversation with that person, and we have the most marvelous conversion about the LORD.
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Hebrews 6 & 10 definitely does NOT speak to losing your salvation.
There are three basic categories of pronouns used: "we" "you" and "them"
"we" "ye" and "you" are SAVED
"them" and "those" are UNSAVED
Do yourself the huge favor and listen to these sermons. MacArthur does a MAGNIFICENT JOB. And he is DEFINITELY CORRECT.
Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3
Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2
You must understand the Jewish nuances of the text to comprehend the message.
For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These two verses are speaking about OLD TESTAMENT principles well knows to Jew of that day.
Dispel your doubts and the false doctrine that ignorance brings and take a couple of days to listen to these sermons. Top notch exegesis. Glad I did.....
There are three basic categories of pronouns used: "we" "you" and "them"
"we" "ye" and "you" are SAVED
"them" and "those" are UNSAVED
Do yourself the huge favor and listen to these sermons. MacArthur does a MAGNIFICENT JOB. And he is DEFINITELY CORRECT.
Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3
Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2
You must understand the Jewish nuances of the text to comprehend the message.
For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These two verses are speaking about OLD TESTAMENT principles well knows to Jew of that day.
Dispel your doubts and the false doctrine that ignorance brings and take a couple of days to listen to these sermons. Top notch exegesis. Glad I did.....
YOU ARE WRONG. READ MY POST #5,396 .
Those who other Christians that think they lost their faith, but never had GENUINE FAITH in the HEART.
Head Knowledge will NOT SAVE, it is only HEART KNOWLEDGE THAT SAVES.
I knew all about JESUS in my head, Still I know I was standing in the Gates of Hades, about to walk in; I was UNSAVED as I pressed that pistol against my TEMPLE with the TRIGGER HALF PULLED. I did that twice, and the third time that week, last week of 1977, I tried to end my life was I tried arrange a FATAL Motorcyle accident on VERY Loose gravel, just poured that afternoon. GOD HAD TO HAVE REACHED DOWN, and grabbed my bike, implying, "NO YOU DON'T, I have a Plan for your live." I rode that whole mile of loose gravel, wide open, and it was as smooth as if I was riding on Pavement.
Like I Said, "I HAVE BEEN THERE!"
OSAS is REALLY PERMANENT! People who think they lost their FAITH, have never had HEART KNOWLEDGE FAITH, they only have HEAD KNOWLEDGE Faith.
James 2:19 (NJB)
19 You believe in the one God—that ibs creditable enough, but even the demons have the same belief, and they tremble with fear.
HEAD KNOWLEDGE FAITH, DOES NOT SAVE.
You see, I was on the BROAD ROAD - LABELED this way to HEAVEN. But that road only leads to Hades/Hell, to destruction. AND MANY GO IN THROUGH THAT GATE. BUT ONLY A FEW FIND THE TRUE PATH TO HEAVEN. Mat. 7:13-15.
You see the night of my third attempt at suicide was the longest night of my life. After my failed attempt to arrange a fatal a motorcycle accident, I went home. I had to sit up on the couch trying to figure out what had just happened, because I was as drunk as three guys on an all night bender. It was not until about 4:00 A.M. that I could think straight. I went to the kitchen table and sat their for away, then I thought I had better get to bed. And as Entered the Bedroom door, a thought hit me like a TON OF BRICKS. "I cannot ride a motorcycle, like that, even sober. GOD had to have reached down and grabbed my bike, as if to say, 'No you don't, I have a plan for your life." At that instant wave, after wave, after wave hit me with incredible GRIEF over my whole life style, keep beating me down as I CRIED, and CRIED like a baby. I fell on my knees STILL WEEPING AND CRYING out, LORD please forgive me, over and over again. Then I went prone, face down on the floor. I must have cried for at least an hour or two. Some where near the end of that night, the Holy Spirit absolutely came into my heart and gave me a Prayer, that no body had ever Taught Me. THAT IS WHERE I WAS BORN AGAIN, AS I PRAYED: "LORD, Please forgive me, LORD, Please Forgive me! If you have a plan for my life, you will have to come into it, and run my life. I cannot do it, because I am making a total mess of it."
DID HE ? ? ? OH, YES! And HE has been running my life a whole lot better than I ever did.
I deliberately left out a part of my testimony. If you want to hear the Rest, I will tell you in a private post. There are just too many SCOFFERS here, for me to tell it all.
More verses that CONVINCED ME that HIS OSAS is as real as it can get.
Ephesians 2:8-9 (NJB)
8 Because it is by grace that you have been saved, through faith; not by anything of your own, but by a gift from God;
9 not by anything that you have done, so that nobody can claim the credit.
1 Samuel 15:29 (NCV)
29 The LORD is the Eternal One of Israel. He does not lie or change his mind. He is not a human being, so he does not change his mind.
Romans 9:16 (HCSB) 16 So then it does not depend on human will or effort but on God who shows mercy.
Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.
2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.
Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will, {Our names were written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the Earth.}
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory. {GOD foreknows every thought or decision we will make in our entire life. Therefore He knows who will forsake him, and he or she was not sealed.}
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
Since when does any human being have the POWER to BREAK GOD's SEAL ? ? ?
1 John 2:19 (HCSB)
19 They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.
HEAD KNOWLEDGE = Unsaved pretend Christians, on the Broad Road to destruction.
HEART KNOWLEDGE = NARROW ROAD - Born Again Real Christians with personal INVITE to the Wedding of the LAMB.
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Probably not the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is God and He isn't something you can run out of like oil. You either have the Holy Spirit or you don't. Besides, there isn't a verse that says anything about the Holy Spirit leaving believers. If there is please provide it.
Given this parable is about a wedding, the oil is most likely love. Who wants to marry a bride who doesn't love them? No one I can think of.
On the other hand, you can run out of love and, in turn, cease watching for the return of Christ. Your love for God and others can wax cold.
There is plenty of Biblical support for this. Most recent example I've seen is Revelation 1:1-7, regarding the Ephesian church. Jesus warned them to repent by returning to their First Love (God) or else He would remove their candlestick. Revelation 1:20 says the candlestick represents the church congregation. Some versions/translations use the term lampstand instead of candlestick, which is probably more accurate since candlesticks weren't invented until much later, but I digress.
The oil that churches burn, figuratively speaking, is love. This is supposed to be the only reason a church congregation exists: love for God and love for neighbor. If love is missing from a church then there's a big problem.
To run out of oil means to run out of love. Don't run out of love for God or your neighbor, these are the greatest commandments.
Given this parable is about a wedding, the oil is most likely love. Who wants to marry a bride who doesn't love them? No one I can think of.
On the other hand, you can run out of love and, in turn, cease watching for the return of Christ. Your love for God and others can wax cold.
There is plenty of Biblical support for this. Most recent example I've seen is Revelation 1:1-7, regarding the Ephesian church. Jesus warned them to repent by returning to their First Love (God) or else He would remove their candlestick. Revelation 1:20 says the candlestick represents the church congregation. Some versions/translations use the term lampstand instead of candlestick, which is probably more accurate since candlesticks weren't invented until much later, but I digress.
The oil that churches burn, figuratively speaking, is love. This is supposed to be the only reason a church congregation exists: love for God and love for neighbor. If love is missing from a church then there's a big problem.
To run out of oil means to run out of love. Don't run out of love for God or your neighbor, these are the greatest commandments.
There is the falling away Apostasy which is when people leave God for a false god so that could be represented as running out of oil like running out of faith in God for faith in a false god.
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
The foolish take only their lamps, which have a reservoir of oil but doesnt hold an overly large amount. The wise take extra containers of oil, vessels, so they have a larger supply.
Many believe that the oil is truth, or The Holy Spirit. It doesn't really matter for the purpose of the parable which it represents since all the virgins are intending to meet the bridegroom as verse 1 says, and all have lamps and oil, though some have more oil. However, I believe it represents truth and will allude to that in this work.
So who would have "some" truth and who want to meet Christ but fall short? I would say they are most Christians of today. They have the milk of the word, and they certainly want to go to Christ, but they dont have the whole truth and they believe doctrines like the pre-tribulation rapture.
The wise ones have more of the truth, they carry it on purpose, its more labor but they know its important. These will have enough truth to know about the tribulation and the false Christ and they will stay true to Christ until He returns.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
The darkness at midnight will be the tribulation. The cry being made is by those who are the watchers, who are telling that the true Christ is coming even though the whole world sleeps because of the darkness. The 5 wise virgins are the elect and the ones "calling" that the true Christ is coming are the watchers and the two prophets. When this call is made by them the elect will "wake up" and trim their lamps and use that oil they have. They get all this extra oil before the tribulation, which is now, through the teachings of those God has anointed with truth, that oil. So, even the wise 5 virgins slumber right until Christ was announced!
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
The lamps of the foolish are out because they were on all night and they ran out of oil, and they didnt have enough oil to light them up again. At some point in the night the foolish ones were in complete darkness, their "nightlights" went out. The wise had light/truth all night (think of the night as the tribulation). The lamps of the wise did not go out during the early part of the night.
The wise had a lamp that had oil plus they brought an oil container like above. The foolish only had a lamp with some oil and it was lighted but they didn't have the oil container which is why their lamps went out while the slept. This means they were in darkness without even knowing it. Those that take the mark of the beast and those who commit Apostasy will also be in spiritual darkness in the Great Tribulation and they won't even know it until it is too late to do anything about it.
Also, this trimming of lamps has something to do with adjusting the wick. In the days before electricity most people had either candles or oil lamps going through the night. The trimming probably refers to extending the wick so the flame would grow larger and emit more light. Only a modest flame would have been needed while they slept.
G2885
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Thayer Definition:
1) to put in order, arrange, make ready, prepare
2) to ornament, adore
3) metaphorically to embellish with honour, gain honour
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2889
Citing in TDNT: 3:867, 459
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Certainly this is another reference to the tribulation:
Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
"they bought, they sold". If this example was compared to the end times before the destruction came would be like the tribulation period, this buying and selling etc....and the destruction would be Christ's return and the wrath of God 7th trump. Lot would be the elect who are gathered by angels.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
I think the foolish "bought" or bartered their "virginity" for the oil they got. There were no 24 hour stores in this time as there is today. No honest person would be selling after midnight so where they went, who they bought from and what they had to give is seriously questionable. Regardless, the wise ones are TAKEN to the marriage by the bridegroom and the foolish will be LEFT behind.
In my opinion, when it says the 5 foolish go out to buy, they do buy "false oil", false teachings....they take the mark and are therefore allowed to "buy and sell".
The elect in the tribulation won't take the mark and won't be allowed to buy and sell, but if the parable of the ten virgins helps at all then we know that there won't be any need for any wise virgins to buy anything because they prepared ahead of time with extra oil.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
One interesting thought is what would have happened had the 5 foolish virgins remained, with unlit lamps, and were there while Christ had returned? It seems a critical element is that they were gone when he arrived. They were late because they hadn't been properly prepared for his return. They were lacking something and realized it too late.
This whole parable applies to His return and symbolically how the world will be divided up, those who are foolish and those who are wise, those with enough oil and those that had some of the oil but ran out of it at the wrong time.
they all were virgins
they all had lamps
they all had some oil for part of the night
They all had lamps that were lit for part of the night
they all waited for the bridegroom
they all slept
they all awoke when the watchman called out
they all trimmed their lamps
the part that is different is that the wise had plenty of oil and the
foolish didn't.
then the differences start:
the wise are taken to the wedding
the foolish are left out of the wedding
the wise get ready for the bridegroom
the foolish leave in search for oil
the wise meet the bridegroom
the foolish arent there to meet him
the wise are accepted
the foolish are not
Luk 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Luk 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Luk 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
This is also the same type of people as the foolish virgins:
Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Not enough oil, not enough earth. Same problem.
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Also had another thought: You do not understand GOD's Omniscience do you ? ? ?
HE HAS UTIMATE KNOWLEDGE, which means HE understand every Plan or Thought, of every man, woman, or child on the Planet.
1 Chronicles 28:9 (ESV)
9 “And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the LORD searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever. {Before the foundation of the EARTH.}
That means GOD IS MUCH MORE POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING, and Omni-Present than you THOUGHT.
2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began. {THAT, is when he wrote our names in the BOOK OF LIFE.}
Give a much deeper, more powerful Meaning to this VERSE:
2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His,
and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.
AND THIS:
Isaiah 46:10 (HCSB)
10 I declare the end from the beginning, and from long ago what is not yet done, saying: My plan will take place, and I will do all My will.
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There is the falling away Apostasy which is when people leave God for a false god so that could be represented as running out of oil like running out of faith in God for faith in a false god.
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
The foolish take only their lamps, which have a reservoir of oil but doesnt hold an overly large amount. The wise take extra containers of oil, vessels, so they have a larger supply.
Many believe that the oil is truth, or The Holy Spirit. It doesn't really matter for the purpose of the parable which it represents since all the virgins are intending to meet the bridegroom as verse 1 says, and all have lamps and oil, though some have more oil. However, I believe it represents truth and will allude to that in this work.
So who would have "some" truth and who want to meet Christ but fall short? I would say they are most Christians of today. They have the milk of the word, and they certainly want to go to Christ, but they dont have the whole truth and they believe doctrines like the pre-tribulation rapture.
The wise ones have more of the truth, they carry it on purpose, its more labor but they know its important. These will have enough truth to know about the tribulation and the false Christ and they will stay true to Christ until He returns.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
The darkness at midnight will be the tribulation. The cry being made is by those who are the watchers, who are telling that the true Christ is coming even though the whole world sleeps because of the darkness. The 5 wise virgins are the elect and the ones "calling" that the true Christ is coming are the watchers and the two prophets. When this call is made by them the elect will "wake up" and trim their lamps and use that oil they have. They get all this extra oil before the tribulation, which is now, through the teachings of those God has anointed with truth, that oil. So, even the wise 5 virgins slumber right until Christ was announced!
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
The lamps of the foolish are out because they were on all night and they ran out of oil, and they didnt have enough oil to light them up again. At some point in the night the foolish ones were in complete darkness, their "nightlights" went out. The wise had light/truth all night (think of the night as the tribulation). The lamps of the wise did not go out during the early part of the night.
The wise had a lamp that had oil plus they brought an oil container like above. The foolish only had a lamp with some oil and it was lighted but they didn't have the oil container which is why their lamps went out while the slept. This means they were in darkness without even knowing it. Those that take the mark of the beast and those who commit Apostasy will also be in spiritual darkness in the Great Tribulation and they won't even know it until it is too late to do anything about it.
Also, this trimming of lamps has something to do with adjusting the wick. In the days before electricity most people had either candles or oil lamps going through the night. The trimming probably refers to extending the wick so the flame would grow larger and emit more light. Only a modest flame would have been needed while they slept.
G2885
??sµe´?
kosmeo¯
Thayer Definition:
1) to put in order, arrange, make ready, prepare
2) to ornament, adore
3) metaphorically to embellish with honour, gain honour
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2889
Citing in TDNT: 3:867, 459
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Certainly this is another reference to the tribulation:
Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
"they bought, they sold". If this example was compared to the end times before the destruction came would be like the tribulation period, this buying and selling etc....and the destruction would be Christ's return and the wrath of God 7th trump. Lot would be the elect who are gathered by angels.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
I think the foolish "bought" or bartered their "virginity" for the oil they got. There were no 24 hour stores in this time as there is today. No honest person would be selling after midnight so where they went, who they bought from and what they had to give is seriously questionable. Regardless, the wise ones are TAKEN to the marriage by the bridegroom and the foolish will be LEFT behind.
In my opinion, when it says the 5 foolish go out to buy, they do buy "false oil", false teachings....they take the mark and are therefore allowed to "buy and sell".
The elect in the tribulation won't take the mark and won't be allowed to buy and sell, but if the parable of the ten virgins helps at all then we know that there won't be any need for any wise virgins to buy anything because they prepared ahead of time with extra oil.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
One interesting thought is what would have happened had the 5 foolish virgins remained, with unlit lamps, and were there while Christ had returned? It seems a critical element is that they were gone when he arrived. They were late because they hadn't been properly prepared for his return. They were lacking something and realized it too late.
This whole parable applies to His return and symbolically how the world will be divided up, those who are foolish and those who are wise, those with enough oil and those that had some of the oil but ran out of it at the wrong time.
they all were virgins
they all had lamps
they all had some oil for part of the night
They all had lamps that were lit for part of the night
they all waited for the bridegroom
they all slept
they all awoke when the watchman called out
they all trimmed their lamps
the part that is different is that the wise had plenty of oil and the
foolish didn't.
then the differences start:
the wise are taken to the wedding
the foolish are left out of the wedding
the wise get ready for the bridegroom
the foolish leave in search for oil
the wise meet the bridegroom
the foolish arent there to meet him
the wise are accepted
the foolish are not
Luk 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Luk 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Luk 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
This is also the same type of people as the foolish virgins:
Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Not enough oil, not enough earth. Same problem.
1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
The foolish take only their lamps, which have a reservoir of oil but doesnt hold an overly large amount. The wise take extra containers of oil, vessels, so they have a larger supply.
Many believe that the oil is truth, or The Holy Spirit. It doesn't really matter for the purpose of the parable which it represents since all the virgins are intending to meet the bridegroom as verse 1 says, and all have lamps and oil, though some have more oil. However, I believe it represents truth and will allude to that in this work.
So who would have "some" truth and who want to meet Christ but fall short? I would say they are most Christians of today. They have the milk of the word, and they certainly want to go to Christ, but they dont have the whole truth and they believe doctrines like the pre-tribulation rapture.
The wise ones have more of the truth, they carry it on purpose, its more labor but they know its important. These will have enough truth to know about the tribulation and the false Christ and they will stay true to Christ until He returns.
5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
The darkness at midnight will be the tribulation. The cry being made is by those who are the watchers, who are telling that the true Christ is coming even though the whole world sleeps because of the darkness. The 5 wise virgins are the elect and the ones "calling" that the true Christ is coming are the watchers and the two prophets. When this call is made by them the elect will "wake up" and trim their lamps and use that oil they have. They get all this extra oil before the tribulation, which is now, through the teachings of those God has anointed with truth, that oil. So, even the wise 5 virgins slumber right until Christ was announced!
7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
The lamps of the foolish are out because they were on all night and they ran out of oil, and they didnt have enough oil to light them up again. At some point in the night the foolish ones were in complete darkness, their "nightlights" went out. The wise had light/truth all night (think of the night as the tribulation). The lamps of the wise did not go out during the early part of the night.
The wise had a lamp that had oil plus they brought an oil container like above. The foolish only had a lamp with some oil and it was lighted but they didn't have the oil container which is why their lamps went out while the slept. This means they were in darkness without even knowing it. Those that take the mark of the beast and those who commit Apostasy will also be in spiritual darkness in the Great Tribulation and they won't even know it until it is too late to do anything about it.
Also, this trimming of lamps has something to do with adjusting the wick. In the days before electricity most people had either candles or oil lamps going through the night. The trimming probably refers to extending the wick so the flame would grow larger and emit more light. Only a modest flame would have been needed while they slept.
G2885
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Thayer Definition:
1) to put in order, arrange, make ready, prepare
2) to ornament, adore
3) metaphorically to embellish with honour, gain honour
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: from G2889
Citing in TDNT: 3:867, 459
9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Certainly this is another reference to the tribulation:
Luke 17:28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
Luke 17:29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
Luke 17:30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
"they bought, they sold". If this example was compared to the end times before the destruction came would be like the tribulation period, this buying and selling etc....and the destruction would be Christ's return and the wrath of God 7th trump. Lot would be the elect who are gathered by angels.
10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
I think the foolish "bought" or bartered their "virginity" for the oil they got. There were no 24 hour stores in this time as there is today. No honest person would be selling after midnight so where they went, who they bought from and what they had to give is seriously questionable. Regardless, the wise ones are TAKEN to the marriage by the bridegroom and the foolish will be LEFT behind.
In my opinion, when it says the 5 foolish go out to buy, they do buy "false oil", false teachings....they take the mark and are therefore allowed to "buy and sell".
The elect in the tribulation won't take the mark and won't be allowed to buy and sell, but if the parable of the ten virgins helps at all then we know that there won't be any need for any wise virgins to buy anything because they prepared ahead of time with extra oil.
11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.
One interesting thought is what would have happened had the 5 foolish virgins remained, with unlit lamps, and were there while Christ had returned? It seems a critical element is that they were gone when he arrived. They were late because they hadn't been properly prepared for his return. They were lacking something and realized it too late.
This whole parable applies to His return and symbolically how the world will be divided up, those who are foolish and those who are wise, those with enough oil and those that had some of the oil but ran out of it at the wrong time.
they all were virgins
they all had lamps
they all had some oil for part of the night
They all had lamps that were lit for part of the night
they all waited for the bridegroom
they all slept
they all awoke when the watchman called out
they all trimmed their lamps
the part that is different is that the wise had plenty of oil and the
foolish didn't.
then the differences start:
the wise are taken to the wedding
the foolish are left out of the wedding
the wise get ready for the bridegroom
the foolish leave in search for oil
the wise meet the bridegroom
the foolish arent there to meet him
the wise are accepted
the foolish are not
Luk 12:35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
Luk 12:36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
Luk 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Luk 12:38 And if he shall come in the second watch, or come in the third watch, and find them so, blessed are those servants.
This is also the same type of people as the foolish virgins:
Mat 13:5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
Not enough oil, not enough earth. Same problem.
2 Timothy 4:8
8Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that love his appearing.
Hebrews 9:28
28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
Side question: what's your take in John 6:50-71? Is this an often overlooked reference to His second coming?
YOU ARE SPIRITUALLY DEAD WRONG. Are you sure you are not part of the Great Apostacy ? ? ?
OIL in a Vessel it the life giving element that produces the FLAME in the HEART OF THE LAMP.
THE HOLY SPIRIT is the Life Giving DEITY that produces the Flame of LOVE in the HEART of the BORN AGAIN HUMAN.
You have NO SPIRITUAL UNDERSTANDING.
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (NIV)
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us.
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.
14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.
15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment:
16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ.
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You're wrong.
This is the Bible discussion forum. This is where people discuss the Bible. Tearing everyone down who disagrees with you is decidedly not showing the gentle and measured response someone with fruits of the Holy Spirit should have.
You rarely ever end any of your points in something constructive to learning and encouragement. I don't see love in your posts, just recklessness.
You end with condemnation of the person rather than offer a solution to what you perceive is false or bad.
The reason I'm telling you this is not because it's my problem, but because maybe it'll make you realize it's your problem. You should ask God to help you learn humility.
This is the Bible discussion forum. This is where people discuss the Bible. Tearing everyone down who disagrees with you is decidedly not showing the gentle and measured response someone with fruits of the Holy Spirit should have.
You rarely ever end any of your points in something constructive to learning and encouragement. I don't see love in your posts, just recklessness.
You end with condemnation of the person rather than offer a solution to what you perceive is false or bad.
The reason I'm telling you this is not because it's my problem, but because maybe it'll make you realize it's your problem. You should ask God to help you learn humility.
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Hebrews 6 & 10 definitely does NOT speak to losing your salvation.
There are three basic categories of pronouns used: "we" "you" and "them"
"we" "ye" and "you" are SAVED
"them" and "those" are UNSAVED
Do yourself the huge favor and listen to these sermons. MacArthur does a MAGNIFICENT JOB. And he is DEFINITELY CORRECT.
Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3
Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2
You must understand the Jewish nuances of the text to comprehend the message.
For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These two verses are speaking about OLD TESTAMENT principles well knows to Jew of that day.
Dispel your doubts and the false doctrine that ignorance brings and take a couple of days to listen to these sermons. Top notch exegesis. Glad I did.....
There are three basic categories of pronouns used: "we" "you" and "them"
"we" "ye" and "you" are SAVED
"them" and "those" are UNSAVED
Do yourself the huge favor and listen to these sermons. MacArthur does a MAGNIFICENT JOB. And he is DEFINITELY CORRECT.
Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3
Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2
You must understand the Jewish nuances of the text to comprehend the message.
For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These two verses are speaking about OLD TESTAMENT principles well knows to Jew of that day.
Dispel your doubts and the false doctrine that ignorance brings and take a couple of days to listen to these sermons. Top notch exegesis. Glad I did.....
These two verses are speaking about OLD TESTAMENT principles well knows to Jew of that day.
Not exactly true.
When Christ or His apostles write about the LAW they are usually referring to TWO LAWS, both of which were commonly known in Jesus' day. In addition the writings of the New Testament also refer to Jewish tradition, which cannot save.
TRADITIONS
Most Christians will nod their bobble-heads and agree that Jewish traditions won't save anybody. Neither will Christian traditions, which they don't consider. Santa Claus, the Easter bunny and your Halloween pumpkin witch won't save anybody either yet the Christian church ACTS as though they will. This is so obvious that many are called C&E Christians by their own leaders. C&E Christians are those who only attend a worship service on Christmas or Easter - assuming that bi-annual attendance will serve to buy a ticket through the pearly gates of heaven.
Communion is a false Christian tradition that millions assume will save. It won't. A magic act performed by a Catholic priest won't convert common wine and bread into the body and blood of Christ. Romans 6:10 says Jesus died ONCE for all. Therefore it isn't necessary to kill Him again upon an altar every Sunday. Protestants follow in lock step with RCC doctrine in that they practice the exact same ritual. They deny the magic act of course, but they swallow everything else - including the presumption that this TRADITION will save them or contribute to their glorification. It won't.
TWO LAWS
There are TWO laws in Judaism. One is the LAW of Grace given by God to Moses. The other is the law of works written by the Jewish rabbinate during their captivity in Babylon.
It is the reference to Talmud, the law of works, that Jesus and the apostles most often rejected. Torah, the LAW of grace, is rejected by Christians even though it is THIS LAW that Jesus lived by, taught, and died to fulfill. (Matt 5:17)
If Jesus didn't come to abolish the LAW, then it is STILL IN EFFECT. If it is still in effect, then Christians need to examine their life style in a rigorous fashion and perhaps do a lot of repenting for the SINS they hold close so dearly - or mask from the eyes of others.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft....
I agree with you.
Christians act as though they are little 'lights of God'. In reality they resort to insults and personal attack when confronted with an argument or idea they are unfamiliar with or disagree with.
The typical response to moderators of discussion groups is to censor the words or shut down the offending person entirely.
In my opinion they should be labeled as that which they represent - scoffers who deserve to be ignored.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
Christians act as though they are little 'lights of God'. In reality they resort to insults and personal attack when confronted with an argument or idea they are unfamiliar with or disagree with.
The typical response to moderators of discussion groups is to censor the words or shut down the offending person entirely.
In my opinion they should be labeled as that which they represent - scoffers who deserve to be ignored.
that's me, hollering from the choir loft...
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Hebrews 6 & 10 definitely does NOT speak to losing your salvation.
There are three basic categories of pronouns used: "we" "you" and "them"
"we" "ye" and "you" are SAVED
"them" and "those" are UNSAVED
Do yourself the huge favor and listen to these sermons. MacArthur does a MAGNIFICENT JOB. And he is DEFINITELY CORRECT.
Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3
Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2
You must understand the Jewish nuances of the text to comprehend the message.
For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These two verses are speaking about OLD TESTAMENT principles well knows to Jew of that day.
Dispel your doubts and the false doctrine that ignorance brings and take a couple of days to listen to these sermons. Top notch exegesis. Glad I did.....
There are three basic categories of pronouns used: "we" "you" and "them"
"we" "ye" and "you" are SAVED
"them" and "those" are UNSAVED
Do yourself the huge favor and listen to these sermons. MacArthur does a MAGNIFICENT JOB. And he is DEFINITELY CORRECT.
Hebrews 6
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 1
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 2
The Tragedy of Rejecting Full Revelation, Part 3
Hebrews 10
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 1
Apostasy: The Negative Response to the New Covenant, Part 2
You must understand the Jewish nuances of the text to comprehend the message.
For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
These two verses are speaking about OLD TESTAMENT principles well knows to Jew of that day.
Dispel your doubts and the false doctrine that ignorance brings and take a couple of days to listen to these sermons. Top notch exegesis. Glad I did.....
Salvation is a covenant.
Start there
Not baptist teachers.
I can preach osas better than anyone. ( probably not, but i do have my moments)
I DO BELIEVE all those in and going to heaven are once saved always saved.
The only plus i see for the radical osas adherents is that verse in 1 or 2 corinthians " some are saved as through fire, they make heaven but their works are burned up."
(A plus for your position)
Another is the 10 virgins.
I totally believe the 5 foolish are believers. And i believe they make it to the wedding in heaven as they are most likely martyred during the trib.
Another plus for your position
But just arbitrarily rejecting heb 6 is bad exegesis.
Here is the very heart of the matter;
Christianity REQUIRES death to ones self and any right one has to ones self.
It is not " OSAS" AT ISSUE.
GET OUT OF THAT APOLOGY and into what following Jesus is.
What is behind a pastor of a flock that repeatedly programs " OSAS" Into his flock????
I hope osas is true.
But there is a trap in that EMPHASIS. OSAS is like a battleground to them and those adherents.
TO THE OSAS ADHERENT , OSAS IS ALMOST A DNA.
NOPE heb 6 is there not for crafty reframing and protecting a " hey we all sin so dont even repent...its all good"
That is what i hear everytime someone PARKS there.
That is the thing.....holiness is removed as the target.
There is 2 sides to that debate.
But OSAS IS CIRCULAR.
The pastor leaves his wife for the church secretary.
Osas adherent " that ole boy was never saved"
Rediculous
"""For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."""
^^^^^^^That is reframing what was originally written.
Laying on of hands
Baptism
Raising the dead
Are not EXCLUSIVE ORTHODOX JEW TRADITIONS.
Not even remotely close.
Clearly referring to believers parked on elemental basic
Paul said " i want to give you meat, but no, i have to breast feed you babies"
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."""
^^^^^^^That is reframing what was originally written.
Laying on of hands
Baptism
Raising the dead
Are not EXCLUSIVE ORTHODOX JEW TRADITIONS.
Not even remotely close.
Clearly referring to believers parked on elemental basic
Paul said " i want to give you meat, but no, i have to breast feed you babies"
""For example, Hebrews 6:1-2 should read:
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."""
Show this to john mcarthur;
Heb 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Thank you Jesus for your word.
I thank God i did not get under those teachers that teach stuff that is not biblical
Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of MESSIAH, let us go on to MATURITY, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of WASHINGS, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment."""
Show this to john mcarthur;
Heb 5
12 For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
13 For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
14 But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Thank you Jesus for your word.
I thank God i did not get under those teachers that teach stuff that is not biblical