50 Reasons For a Pretribulational Rapture By Dr. John F. Walvoord
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10 virgin parable shows 10 saved entities
all 10 had:
oil= Holy Spirit
Light= illumination or revelation of the things of God
lamps = the word of God
were waiting on Jesus return
were in close fellowship with other believers
Had faith because they went out to meet Jesus.
all were christians
only half were worthy of being the bride.
all 10 had:
oil= Holy Spirit
Light= illumination or revelation of the things of God
lamps = the word of God
were waiting on Jesus return
were in close fellowship with other believers
Had faith because they went out to meet Jesus.
all were christians
only half were worthy of being the bride.
They SERIOUSLY have a Vendetta against Darby, to the point that I think some of them would like to boil him in oil.
That type of hatred is not only SICK, but it is completely NON-CHRISTIAN. And that is despite that I have never read a thing that he has written, and Never even heard a single sermon where Darby or a single quote was ever mentioned. I have been involved with several Bible Teaching Churches, (only because we moved a lot), since the early 80's.
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[pre-tribber here 
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You're right about one thing.
Luke 21:36 is NOT a "rapture" verse [/context].
Rather, it is addressed to those existing in that [Trib] time period (same as is the verse ALSO using this same "ekpheugó / ekphygein / ekphygōsin [G1628 ('escape')]" word: 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (where "ruination" COMES UPON them suddenly--i.e. the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]," with MANY MORE OF THEM following on from that INITIAL one, just as Jesus spoke of in His Olivet Discourse [equivalent the SEALS in the EARLY part of the future 7-yr Trib]).
Note to readers: ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / coming of / etc" passages speak of His Second Coming to the earth Rev19 (NOT to "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]," per context; This means that Lk21:36 is NOT a "lose-your-salvation" context / idea, NOR a "partial-rapture theory" verse / idea---not that BenjaminN is saying either of THESE ideas)
]You're right about one thing.
Luke 21:36 is NOT a "rapture" verse [/context].
Rather, it is addressed to those existing in that [Trib] time period (same as is the verse ALSO using this same "ekpheugó / ekphygein / ekphygōsin [G1628 ('escape')]" word: 1 Thessalonians 5:3 (where "ruination" COMES UPON them suddenly--i.e. the INITIAL "birth PANG [SINGULAR]," with MANY MORE OF THEM following on from that INITIAL one, just as Jesus spoke of in His Olivet Discourse [equivalent the SEALS in the EARLY part of the future 7-yr Trib]).
Note to readers: ALL "Son of man cometh / coming / shall come / coming of / etc" passages speak of His Second Coming to the earth Rev19 (NOT to "our Rapture [IN THE AIR]," per context; This means that Lk21:36 is NOT a "lose-your-salvation" context / idea, NOR a "partial-rapture theory" verse / idea---not that BenjaminN is saying either of THESE ideas)
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Jesus was not standing on the Earth at the beginning of his first coming. Likewise, he is not standing on the Earth at the beginning of his second coming. His second coming is in the air at the clouds when the rapture happens and he will remain in the air to fight at Armageddon which is commonly understood as his second coming. By the time he steps foot on the Earth, his second coming is a past event and the 1000 reign of the rod of iron on Earth begins.
Now I have 3 posts of yours, that I want to address. I shows me YOU have a lot of learning to do. I will bunch them together.
In the above Post, You are counting everyone who claims to be a Christian, when at least 50% are NOT BORN AGAIN, according to the Parable you tried to quote.
Only Born Again Believers count.
John 3:2-7 (HCSB)
2 This man came to Him at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one could perform these signs You do unless God were with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
4 “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
5 Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
6 Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.
Philippians 1:6 (HCSB)
6 I am sure of this, that He who started a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.
2 Timothy 2:19 (HCSB)
19 Nevertheless, God’s solid foundation stands firm, having this inscription: The Lord knows those who are His, and Everyone who names the name of the Lord must turn away from unrighteousness.
2 John 1:2 (HCSB)
2 because of the truth that remains in us and will be with us forever.
Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, ⌊enabling you⌋ both to desire and to work out His good purpose.
Ephesians 1:11-14 (HCSB)
11 We have also received an inheritance in Him, predestined according to the purpose of the One who works out everything in agreement with the decision of His will,
12 so that we who had already put our hope in the Messiah might bring praise to His glory.
13 When you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and when you believed in Him, you were also sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.
14 He is the down payment of our inheritance, for the redemption of the possession, to the praise of His glory.
1 Peter 1:3-5 (HCSB)
3 Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. According to His great mercy, He has given us a new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead
4 and into an inheritance that is imperishable, uncorrupted, and unfading, kept in heaven for you.
5 You are being protected by God’s power through faith for a salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time.
["BenjaminN said"] Can a Christian run out of Holy Spirit?
Wow, you sure have an erroneous view of WHO you think the Holy Spirit is. IT IS NOT AN IT. HE is the third Person of the HOLY TRINITY.
And Scripture says HE WILL NEVER LEAVE YOU.
John 14:16-17 (HCSB)
16 And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Counselor to be with you forever.
17 He is the Spirit of truth. The world is unable to receive Him because it doesn’t see Him or know Him. But you do know Him, because He remains with you and will be in you.
["BenjaminN said"] There is no such thing as a non worthy Christian, you are either a Christian or a non-Christian. You either believe Jesus died for your sins or you do not.
A Christian can not miss the rapture (regardless of its timing).
I guess you have not had time to read Matthew Capture 7 yet.
Matthew 7:20-23 (HCSB)
20 So you’ll recognize them by their fruit.
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but ⌊only⌋ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’
Nor did you read THOROUGHLY Mat. 25.
Matthew 25:1-13 (HCSB)
1 “Then the kingdom of heaven will be like 10 virgins {Church goers} who took their lamps and went out to meet the groom.
2 Five of them were foolish and five were sensible.
3 When the foolish took their lamps, they didn’t take olive oil with them.
4 But the sensible ones took oil in their flasks with their lamps.
5 Since the groom was delayed, they all became drowsy and fell asleep.
6 “In the middle of the night there was a shout: ‘Here’s the groom! Come out to meet him.’
7 “Then all those virgins got up and trimmed their lamps.
8 But the foolish ones said to the sensible ones, ‘Give us some of your oil, because our lamps are going out.’
9 “The sensible ones answered, ‘No, there won’t be enough for us and for you. Go instead to those who sell, and buy oil for yourselves.’
10 “When they had gone to buy some, the groom arrived. Then those who were ready went in with him to the wedding banquet, and the door was shut.
11 “Later the rest of the virgins also came and said, ‘Master, master, open up for us!’
12 “But he replied, ‘I assure you: I do not know you!’
13 “Therefore be alert, because you don’t know either the day or the hour.
That KNOWING HIM PERSONALLY, INTIMATELY, with YOUR WHOLE HEART, as your PERSONAL LORD, meaning MASTER; is the deciding factor with your being TRULY Born Again, or just a psuedo Christian.
I used to BE a psuedo Christian, until two months before my 29th birthday. (now I am 72). I mean I had the whole order of service MEMORIZED, sat in a pew almost every Sunday, and day dreamed every sermon away. And then attempted SUICIDE 3 times in one week. I KNOW FOR SURE I WAS UNSAVED AS I COULD BE, and the TERROR of absolutely KNOWING I was going to go to HADES/HELL, if I finished pulling that TRIGGER on my Pistol.
Don't even try to tell me there is No SUCH THING as an FAKE CHRISTIAN. I went to SUNDAY SCHOOL, became an ACOLITE (altar boy), Went to Lutheran Services Volunteers, at the Lutheran College, AND WAS AS UNSAVED AS I COULD BE. You do not want to tell me that phony story, BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN THERE!
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That cannot be correct since they did have some oil but ran out while sleeping so they did have the Holy Spirit but they lost it somehow and I believe that is due to the false Christ/ antichrist and they becoming Apostates.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
A lamp that goes out was lit at some point and that means they had some oil.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
A lamp that goes out was lit at some point and that means they had some oil.