Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?

[posthuman]

Salvation isn't by our love.
Salvation is by belief.

It is in faith we must endure.
Those who think something must be added to Christ's work do not have faith in Him any longer, if they ever did.

 

[Phoneman-777]

........says the dude who flatly refuses to accept that one is saved by faith and trust in Christ only, and keeps insisting more is needed....

Of course it's true that we're saved by grace through faith (and trust) in Christ alone, not by works.

What is false is the OSAS crowd's belief that "we're saved by faith and trust in Christ to keep on forgiving our habitual, deliberate, known sin from which we refuse to repent."

 

[Phoneman-777]

Is that the same verse ? Looks like a different one ?

I shouldn't have to point this out but "forgiven" and "pardon my transgression" is the same thing - and both mean "taken away". Let's stop with your false dichotomies, OK?

 

[Phoneman-777]

With respect and I would rather say this in the hope that it may help. Let go of the SDA garbage. It has you in a fog where you can't see past it . Wake up !!

So, I corner you theologically once again, and leave you with no argument, so you resort to ad hominem?

 

[Phoneman-777]

Matthew 24 is tribulation passage. The church is raptured prior to it.

You Dispensationalists claim Jesus will come "as a thief in the night" to rapture the saints before the 7 year tribulation, but Peter says when the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, at that moment the Earth is burned up, according to 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV, right or wrong?

Please don't try to suggest there can be multiple "thief" events in prophecy --absolutely no one is going to be surprised by any suggested subsequent "thief" event - everyone will know exactly when the supposed 7 years are over.

Because, when all those planes crash in the ground, cars careen out of control, clothes and jewelry are left in a pile where the Christian rose to heaven with the church, that exact moment will be burned into the memories of every single "left behind" person that is left behind, and they'll know to the exact microsecond when 7 years will have ticked off the prophetic clock to when the supposed tribulation will end.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Hebrews 9
15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

You keep trying to make false dichotomies. The OT people were saved the exact we are: by grace through faith.

That is why "the just shall live by faith" is both OT and NT.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Sins were covered but not redeemed until Jesus redeemed them on the cross .

That has zero impact on how people were saved and empowered to live righteously in the OT. They were to look forward to Cross while being saved exactly the same way as we who look back to it.

OSAS is nothing more than the same type of "Exclusivity Religion" practiced by Catholics, Calvinists, and Luciferians - all claim (smugly) to partake of something that is denied to others.

While you continue to preach this "Exclusivity" nonsense, isn't it interesting that my SDA "garbage" faith teaches me that the majority of God's people who are at this moment trusting in Jesus alone for eternal life are not SDA, but are among false systems of "Babylon" and will "come out of her" as soon as they hear the message to do so? Yes, quite interesting.

 

[Phoneman-777]

the Spirit is free from the Law

Phoneman's Guide to Talking Out Both Sides Of One's Mouth
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Step 1. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments."

Step 2. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not at liberty to break the Ten Commandments."

If Elijah were here, he'd ask, "How long halt ye between two opinions?" which we down here in alligator huntin, gumbo eatin, Cajun territory translate as, "H'long y'all gon' sit on dat fence, cher?"

 

[gb9]

Of course it's true that we're saved by grace through faith (and trust) in Christ alone, not by works.

What is false is the OSAS crowd's belief that "we're saved by faith and trust in Christ to keep on forgiving our habitual, deliberate, known sin from which we refuse to repent."

this is what i mean-
the first sentence is correct.

but, just like all legalistic Bible thumpers, you keep talking and add other conditions to salvation.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Hi can I ask you.. are you their/mans God? No why does it or would it bother you? Its written we are not here to please man. The "many" you used answer to Him not you or me so what they do praise GOD. You post this knowing the debate about the Sabbath, its been going on way before I was even born. We listen to a preacher and we go home thinking.. you know.. I don't do that.. maybe I should. See what you're doing here Christ never does. He will not judge us nor condemn us. Its always our choice. He will whisper something by that sweet holy Spirit where you will never feel guilty or condemned.

Now I am thinking in this day and age God might be saying "you've been RESTING WAY to much" haha

I'm pretty sure Jesus told those who love Him to keep His commandments, right or wrong? (John 14:15 KJV)

I'm pretty sure Jesus told Christians to teach others "whatsover things I have commanded you", right or wrong? (Matthew 28:20 KJV)

I'm pretty sure the commandments play an integral role in eschatology concerning God's end time church who are said to "keep the commandments of God" (Revelation 12:17 KJV), and the Mark of the Beast because those who do not get the Mark are said to "keep the commandments of God" in contrast to those who do get the Mark, right or wrong? (Revelation 14:12 KJV)

This is why the lie of a Pre-trib Rapture is so crucial to OSAS/Antinomianist false theology: it allows them to apply to those "left behind" the undeniable emphasis of God's Law in eschatology, while their OSAS License to Sin allows them carefree, inconsequential disobedience to it in the here and now.

 

[CS1]

Phoneman's Guide to Talking Out Both Sides Of One's Mouth
​

Step 1. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments."

Step 2. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not at liberty to break the Ten Commandments."

If Elijah were here, he'd ask, "How long halt ye between two opinions?" which we down here in alligator huntin, gumbo eatin, Cajun territory translate as, "H'long y'all gon' sit on dat fence, cher?"

repeat after me Jesus is the only way to God, not the law. And you are only concerned about one law that is the Sabbath. Which you do not keep today.

 

[Phoneman-777]

Elijah's love waxed cold, yet he endured in faith, and is saved.

Next

Elijah's love for God grew so cold that he prayed for death so he could go be with God, next to God, never to leave the presence of God, right?

Do you understand the concept of "compare and contrast", right?

You do realize Jesus is contrasting those in verse 12 with those in verse 13, right?

In verse 13 they "endure to the end" and are "saved"...which means the saints in verse 12 whose love waxes "cold" are not saved. (Still waiting for you to retract that ridiculous, blasphemous, debunked idea that the wicked can partake of "agape", bro)

 

[Phoneman-777]

this is what i mean-
the first sentence is correct.

but, just like all legalistic Bible thumpers, you keep talking and add other conditions to salvation.

Oh, so you NO LONGER believe salvation covers a Christian's deliberate, habitual, known sin from which he refuses to repent?

Congratulations, you've broken through the fog of popular Churchianity and come to understand Biblical Truth.

 

[CS1]

Oh, so you NO LONGER believe salvation covers a Christian's deliberate, habitual, known sin from which he refuses to repent?

Congratulations, you've broken through the fog of popular Churchianity and come to understand Biblical Truth.

is this now turning into an OSAS thread? lol

 

[posthuman]

Do you understand the concept of "compare and contrast", right?

But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree. ​

And he prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, LORD, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”​

(1 Kings 19:4)​

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what does he mean, "no better than my fathers!"

?

why does the LORD renew and redeem him at this time?

 

[CS1]

But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree. ​

And he prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, Lord, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”​

(1 Kings 19:4)​

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what does he mean, "no better than my fathers!"

?

why does the LORD renew and redeem him at this time?

Hey Brother was he not running from a women LOL That will have you crying for death everytime LOL ahahah

 

[posthuman]

why do Moses & Aaron strike the rock twice instead of speaking to it, and why does the LORD save them?
why did God give water even while they disobeyed?

do you know any of these things, mr. phone?

 

[posthuman]

Elijah's love for God grew so cold that he prayed for death so he could go be with God, next to God, never to leave the presence of God, right?

have you not even read Matthew 24? their love for each other grows cold, and they betray one another to death.

why did Elijah leave his servant in Beersheba?
((1 Kings 19:3))
seeing he had a servant he left in Beersheba, why does he say he alone is left?
((1 Kings 19:10 & 14))

 

[Phoneman-777]

repeat after me Jesus is the only way to God, not the law. And you are only concerned about one law that is the Sabbath. Which you do not keep today.

What we agree on:
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I know you agree with Acts 5:32 KJV where it says God's Spirit is given to them that obey Him. So do I.
I know you agree with Romans 8:7 KJV where it says the wicked cannot obey God even if they wanted to. So do I.
I know you'll agree with me that these two verses prove the disobedient wicked cannot receive God's Spirit.

Now, since that is the case, who are those in Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV who are "made partakers of the Holy Spirit" but fall away and are never renewed to repentance which means they remain in rebellion: saints or sinners?

See what I did there? I showed you Jesus is indeed the only way to salvation, but the saints can still wind up lost!

 

[SophieT]

this thread is full of snares

da**ed if you and da**ed if you don't

no matter what a poster responds with, the op comes back putting words in their mouth with big 'aha'

creepy IMO