Jesus Is Our Truth, Reward, And Faithfulness So We Can Lie, Steal, and Fornicate?
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You Dispensationalists claim Jesus will come "as a thief in the night" to rapture the saints before the 7 year tribulation, but Peter says when the day of the Lord comes as a thief in the night, at that moment the Earth is burned up, according to 2 Peter 3:10-12 KJV, right or wrong?
Please don't try to suggest there can be multiple "thief" events in prophecy --absolutely no one is going to be surprised by any suggested subsequent "thief" event - everyone will know exactly when the supposed 7 years are over.
Because, when all those planes crash in the ground, cars careen out of control, clothes and jewelry are left in a pile where the Christian rose to heaven with the church, that exact moment will be burned into the memories of every single "left behind" person that is left behind, and they'll know to the exact microsecond when 7 years will have ticked off the prophetic clock to when the supposed tribulation will end.
Please don't try to suggest there can be multiple "thief" events in prophecy --absolutely no one is going to be surprised by any suggested subsequent "thief" event - everyone will know exactly when the supposed 7 years are over.
Because, when all those planes crash in the ground, cars careen out of control, clothes and jewelry are left in a pile where the Christian rose to heaven with the church, that exact moment will be burned into the memories of every single "left behind" person that is left behind, and they'll know to the exact microsecond when 7 years will have ticked off the prophetic clock to when the supposed tribulation will end.
That has zero impact on how people were saved and empowered to live righteously in the OT. They were to look forward to Cross while being saved exactly the same way as we who look back to it.
OSAS is nothing more than the same type of "Exclusivity Religion" practiced by Catholics, Calvinists, and Luciferians - all claim (smugly) to partake of something that is denied to others.
While you continue to preach this "Exclusivity" nonsense, isn't it interesting that my SDA "garbage" faith teaches me that the majority of God's people who are at this moment trusting in Jesus alone for eternal life are not SDA, but are among false systems of "Babylon" and will "come out of her" as soon as they hear the message to do so? Yes, quite interesting.
OSAS is nothing more than the same type of "Exclusivity Religion" practiced by Catholics, Calvinists, and Luciferians - all claim (smugly) to partake of something that is denied to others.
While you continue to preach this "Exclusivity" nonsense, isn't it interesting that my SDA "garbage" faith teaches me that the majority of God's people who are at this moment trusting in Jesus alone for eternal life are not SDA, but are among false systems of "Babylon" and will "come out of her" as soon as they hear the message to do so? Yes, quite interesting.
Phoneman's Guide to Talking Out Both Sides Of One's Mouth
Step 1. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments."
Step 2. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not at liberty to break the Ten Commandments."
If Elijah were here, he'd ask, "How long halt ye between two opinions?" which we down here in alligator huntin, gumbo eatin, Cajun territory translate as, "H'long y'all gon' sit on dat fence, cher?"
I'm pretty sure Jesus told those who love Him to keep His commandments, right or wrong? (John 14:15 KJV)
I'm pretty sure Jesus told Christians to teach others "whatsover things I have commanded you", right or wrong? (Matthew 28:20 KJV)
I'm pretty sure the commandments play an integral role in eschatology concerning God's end time church who are said to "keep the commandments of God" (Revelation 12:17 KJV), and the Mark of the Beast because those who do not get the Mark are said to "keep the commandments of God" in contrast to those who do get the Mark, right or wrong? (Revelation 14:12 KJV)
This is why the lie of a Pre-trib Rapture is so crucial to OSAS/Antinomianist false theology: it allows them to apply to those "left behind" the undeniable emphasis of God's Law in eschatology, while their OSAS License to Sin allows them carefree, inconsequential disobedience to it in the here and now.
I'm pretty sure Jesus told Christians to teach others "whatsover things I have commanded you", right or wrong? (Matthew 28:20 KJV)
I'm pretty sure the commandments play an integral role in eschatology concerning God's end time church who are said to "keep the commandments of God" (Revelation 12:17 KJV), and the Mark of the Beast because those who do not get the Mark are said to "keep the commandments of God" in contrast to those who do get the Mark, right or wrong? (Revelation 14:12 KJV)
This is why the lie of a Pre-trib Rapture is so crucial to OSAS/Antinomianist false theology: it allows them to apply to those "left behind" the undeniable emphasis of God's Law in eschatology, while their OSAS License to Sin allows them carefree, inconsequential disobedience to it in the here and now.
Phoneman's Guide to Talking Out Both Sides Of One's Mouth
Step 1. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not obligated to keep the Ten Commandments."
Step 2. Repeat after me:
"Christians are not at liberty to break the Ten Commandments."
If Elijah were here, he'd ask, "How long halt ye between two opinions?" which we down here in alligator huntin, gumbo eatin, Cajun territory translate as, "H'long y'all gon' sit on dat fence, cher?"
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Elijah's love for God grew so cold that he prayed for death so he could go be with God, next to God, never to leave the presence of God, right?
Do you understand the concept of "compare and contrast", right?
You do realize Jesus is contrasting those in verse 12 with those in verse 13, right?
In verse 13 they "endure to the end" and are "saved"...which means the saints in verse 12 whose love waxes "cold" are not saved. (Still waiting for you to retract that ridiculous, blasphemous, debunked idea that the wicked can partake of "agape", bro)
Do you understand the concept of "compare and contrast", right?
You do realize Jesus is contrasting those in verse 12 with those in verse 13, right?
In verse 13 they "endure to the end" and are "saved"...which means the saints in verse 12 whose love waxes "cold" are not saved. (Still waiting for you to retract that ridiculous, blasphemous, debunked idea that the wicked can partake of "agape", bro)
But he himself went a day’s journey into the wilderness, and came and sat down under a broom tree.
And he prayed that he might die, and said, “It is enough! Now, LORD, take my life, for I am no better than my fathers!”
(1 Kings 19:4)
what does he mean, "no better than my fathers!"?
why does the LORD renew and redeem him at this time?
Elijah's love for God grew so cold that he prayed for death so he could go be with God, next to God, never to leave the presence of God, right?
why did Elijah leave his servant in Beersheba?
((1 Kings 19:3))
seeing he had a servant he left in Beersheba, why does he say he alone is left?
((1 Kings 19:10 & 14))
What we agree on:
I know you agree with Acts 5:32 KJV where it says God's Spirit is given to them that obey Him. So do I.
I know you agree with Romans 8:7 KJV where it says the wicked cannot obey God even if they wanted to. So do I.
I know you'll agree with me that these two verses prove the disobedient wicked cannot receive God's Spirit.
Now, since that is the case, who are those in Hebrews 6:4-6 KJV who are "made partakers of the Holy Spirit" but fall away and are never renewed to repentance which means they remain in rebellion: saints or sinners?
See what I did there? I showed you Jesus is indeed the only way to salvation, but the saints can still wind up lost!