Cessationism vs. continuationism...does it make any difference?
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That's strange. I have never met any Charismatics during my 50 years of associating with them, who have or are chasing emotional highs as you describe. Most, if not all I have met or seen have been ordinary godly people who enjoy going to church to worship God, hear Scriptural-based inspiring messages, and have enjoyable fellowship with fellow believers. Not much different from any non-Charismatic believer.
They appear to me to be people who go to church to have fun and enjoyment, rather than the many who look as if they are going to the dentist when they go into the church and look as though they had been to the dentist when they come out again.
Having fun and enjoying church does not necessarily mean that they are chasing emotional highs. Church for them is not a dry, boring place where liturgies are muttered with the mouth while the mind is thinking of Saturday's football results. Many dead church people yell like Commanche Indians at the football match on Saturday but sit like wooden Indians in church on Sunday.
I think your description of Charismatics is stuff that you've dreamed up out of your head than what the true nature of Charismatic believers really is.
I've seen more dead, black eyes in boring, ritual-based, wooden indian religious people than I have ever seen in a Charismatic church.
They appear to me to be people who go to church to have fun and enjoyment, rather than the many who look as if they are going to the dentist when they go into the church and look as though they had been to the dentist when they come out again.
Having fun and enjoying church does not necessarily mean that they are chasing emotional highs. Church for them is not a dry, boring place where liturgies are muttered with the mouth while the mind is thinking of Saturday's football results. Many dead church people yell like Commanche Indians at the football match on Saturday but sit like wooden Indians in church on Sunday.
I think your description of Charismatics is stuff that you've dreamed up out of your head than what the true nature of Charismatic believers really is.
I've seen more dead, black eyes in boring, ritual-based, wooden indian religious people than I have ever seen in a Charismatic church.
The people you associate with may "conjure up" things for themselves "for greatness", but I have never met any Pentecostals or Charismatics who have done that. And this is coming from an old, experienced "soldier" of faith who has been around for the last 73 years, 54 of those as a committed believer in Christ who knows his Bible.
I've never seen any of it. In all the Pentecostal and Charismatic churches I have attended and associated with have had their roots deep in the Word of God and sound doctrine. I can't say the same for many of our modern liberal non-Charismatic churches that no longer believe in the Virgin Birth, Resurrection of Christ, or God being a real Person. If that is not liberal, modernist whitewashing, I don't know what is.
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Nonsense. I and my close friends in the faith have been Pentecostal or Charismatic in our theology for many years, going right back to the early 1970s, and none of us have ever sought manufactured emotional highs at all. But church for us is fun and enjoyable, inspiring, uplifting, and a great place to be on a Sunday.
Oh for sure the girl going to the same dead church her gramma did because her gramma did? Is apt to be there for the wrong reasons and be just as bound by lies as the charismatics who blew threw her church 30 years ago and tore it to pieces with their emotional trip’n. And absolutely the crowd can be all having fun and games at church in their soft sell of charismatic fever all the time letting people searching for truths in life just fall through the cracks because all they have to offer is their clicks and family groups built around pandering to those who make serious coin within the fellowship but have no sense of what it takes in losses of time and security to tend to those in genuine spiritual need. And why? Because all that is taught is various forms of health, wealth and happiness with some turkey talk and laying on of emotional hands, as some stand back and just pray lofty prayers because they are afraid of what spirits they could become infected with by touching another.....that's really gonna help the young couple in need of proper biblical council and the realities around relinquishing self for God’s will and that the challenges may be there to stay so God can use them to wear your rough edges off! Nope, sorry, no bag of gold for you as expounded upon in the mornings sermon! Hahaha....that’s not trolling at all, just sharing the truths of what emptiness from within emotional worship centres has to offer real life challenges
Every theologian right through to the 19th Century interpreted 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 as the cessation of tongues and prophecy happening at the end of the church age, at the Day of Judgment. This was the view of all the early church fathers, Calvin, the English Puritan, Presbyterian, and Methodist theologians. Their interpretation fits right into the proper context of the chapter. Any competent expert in exegesis and hermeneutics will say the same, instead of taking half a verse out of context and trying to make it say that it doesn't.
The nonsense notion that Paul meant the closed canon of Scripture caused the gifts to cease came from a misguided pelican who decided to use the reference to prove his false Cessationist views.
More truth comes out of a horses backside than the "perfect canon of Scripture" interpretation of those verses.
The nonsense notion that Paul meant the closed canon of Scripture caused the gifts to cease came from a misguided pelican who decided to use the reference to prove his false Cessationist views.
More truth comes out of a horses backside than the "perfect canon of Scripture" interpretation of those verses.
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Oh for sure the girl going to the same dead church her gramma did because her gramma did? Is apt to be there for the wrong reasons and be just as bound by lies as the charismatics who blew threw her church 30 years ago and tore it to pieces with their emotional trip’n. And absolutely the crowd can be all having fun and games at church in their soft sell of charismatic fever all the time letting people searching for truths in life just fall through the cracks because all they have to offer is their clicks and family groups built around pandering to those who make serious coin within the fellowship but have no sense of what it takes in losses of time and security to tend to those in genuine spiritual need. And why? Because all that is taught is various forms of health, wealth and happiness with some turkey talk and laying on of emotional hands, as some stand back and just pray lofty prayers because they are afraid of what spirits they could become infected with by touching another.....that's really gonna help the young couple in need of proper biblical council and the realities around relinquishing self for God’s will and that the challenges may be there to stay so God can use them to wear your rough edges off! Nope, sorry, no bag of gold for you as expounded upon in the mornings sermon! Hahaha....that’s not trolling at all, just sharing the truths of what emptiness from within emotional worship centres has to offer real life challenges
I knew a guy who was converted in a church, then left it because of the "hypocrites in the church" and decided to become an atheist. He was divorced from his first wife and had remarried, and I had the suspicion that he might have been unfaithful in his first marriage, and was taken to task about it by the leaders of the church, as they would quite rightfully do in the way of correction. Because I knew that he was a person who couldn't be told or corrected in any way, I think the efforts of the church leaders to give him appropriate correction deeply offended him and so he decided that they were all "hypocrites", and dropped out of the Christian faith altogether.
So, who in a Charismatic church got your nose out of joint?
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Actually I get my teaching from the Bible, and my observation from my many friends in the Pentecostal and Charismatic movement in New Zealand. Maybe New Zealand Charismatics are a different breed than the ones in your area.
By the way, Kenny Copeland's form of Charismatic is not mainstream Charismatic practice or teaching.
By the way, Kenny Copeland's form of Charismatic is not mainstream Charismatic practice or teaching.
I ask to see your statement of faith and whom it is your history ties itself to? This will help greatly in the examination of your claims but it is unlikely to happen as always is the case with charismatics....& their self-deceptions, please, let us see what it is your group stands for in their records of faith literature?