Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[Truth7t7]

I have researched Jewish beliefs & history. Extensively. For years in fact. I haven't denied Jewish religious practices, not once.
But I don't have an accusing spirit toward them. God is their judge. Nor did I call you racist or misogynist.

And in the place
Where it is said to them,
“You are not My people,”
It will be said to them,
“You are the sons of the living God.”

And the sons of Judah and the sons of Israel will be gathered together,
And they will appoint for themselves one leader,
And they will go up from the land,
For the day of Jezreel will be great.

2/3 of the Jews will be cut off and die, a fact of scripture.

Only the 1/3 chosen Remnant will be saved and added to the church.

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

 

[Truth7t7]

I asked:
"What do you think is going on during the 1,000 years (whatever that means to you) on earth in Rev 20? Because at the END of the 1,000 years, Satan is released from his prison (v.7) to "deceive the nations" (v.8)."

I continue to be amazed and amused by your misunderstanding of such a clear passage.


The Bible speaks of the battle of Gog and Magog (20:8), which follows the battle of Armageddon (end of Tribulation when Jesus returns). And Rev 20 speaks of 1,000 years in v.2,3,4, and 5. ANd v.3 specifically mentions when the "1,000 years ENDED".

So quit spiritualizing. It's literal. Satan is bound for, yes, wait for it..... one thousand years which is when King Jesus rules the nations on earth. There is no reason to bind Satan IF IF IF Jesus' kingdom was only in heaven. That would be ridiculous.

And, why would Jesus be "ruling" His own saved people. The Bible SAYS that they will RULE with Him.

Rom 8:17b - Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

2 Tim 2:12a - if we endure, we will also reign with him.

Rev 20:4 - I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, you're not going to convince anyone with your spiritualized opinions.

When Jesus returns to earth, ALL believers will be resurrected/changed. So the Millennial Reign begins with Jesus ruling over the remainder of unbelievers who survived the Tribulation. And the faithful believers reigning with Him.

Very clear. Very simple.

Armageddon and Magog are the same battle in parallel teachings

Jesus Christ dissolves the heavens and earth at his return

The 1,000 years in Rev 20:1-6 is taking place now in the Lords spiritual realm, and will cease at the second coming end of this world.

 

[ewq1938]

Armageddon and Magog are the same battle in parallel teachings

Nope, two different battles at two dif times and at two dif places. The battle isn't called "Magog". Satan goes to Gog and Magog and the battle is intended to be at Jerusalem so it would be the "battle of Jerusalem" .

Armageddon happens roughly 66 miles from Jerusalem at a dif time and there are two armies meeting there but only one army is at the battle of Jerusalem.

Jesus Christ dissolves the heavens and earth at his return

That's also false. Nothing happens to either until after the GWTJ.

The 1,000 years in Rev 20:1-6 is taking place now in the Lords spiritual realm, and will cease at the second coming end of this world.

The thousand years is not happening now, look around because it's obviously not now. It will only begin after Christ returns according to Revelation 19-20.

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree with everything that you posted above, except for the following:

"When Jesus returns to earth, ALL believers will be resurrected/changed."

This resurrection in Rev.20:4-6 is referring to the great tribulation saints. The church will have been gathered prior to the on-set of God's wrath. For if you have the church being changed and caught up when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, then it would mean that they would have to go through the entire wrath of God, which would be all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses bring.

In further support of this, those who are resurrected in Rev.20:4-6, it is said that they will have not worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. Regarding this, the church will never see the beast/antichrist. The church will not be on the earth when the mark becomes the only way of buying and selling.

You said it yourself when you posted the following:

"Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory."

Since believers within the church have been credited with the righteousness of Christ, have been reconciled to God, are co-heirs with Christ, how then can you put the church through God's wrath which Jesus already satisfied? Jesus suffered God's wrath so that those who believe in Him would not be appointed to suffer His coming wrath.

"Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."

Since Jesus was already pierced and punished for our sins, why are you putting the church through God's wrath?

Revelation 20:4-6 is the last phase of the first resurrection, which will be of the saints who come out of the great tribulation. This is not the church, but those who will become believers after the church has been changed and caught up and they will be on the earth during the time of God's wrath.

Scripture clearly shows, your continued claim of multiple resurrections at different times is (False)

There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of "All", This Takes Place On "The Last Day" At The Time Of "Final Judgement"

(The Last Day Resurrection, Judgement)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

(The Last Day Resurrection)

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

(The Last Day Judgement)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Truth7t7]

Nope, two different battles at two dif times and at two dif places. The battle isn't called "Magog". Satan goes to Gog and Magog and the battle is intended to be at Jerusalem so it would be the "battle of Jerusalem" .

Armageddon happens roughly 66 miles from Jerusalem at a dif time and there are two armies meeting there but only one army is at the battle of Jerusalem.

That's also false. Nothing happens to either until after the GWTJ.

The thousand years is not happening now, look around because it's obviously not now. It will only begin after Christ returns according to Revelation 19-20.

Destroyed Them "All", By Fire!

Liked 17:28-30KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Truth7t7]

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Then Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelled ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram for his wife. ​

(Genesis 16:3, 1599 gnv)​

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you seem to need some help; allow me

It appears you need some help, allow me

Seventy Weeks Is Exactly What Is Written, Four Hundred Ninety Days, Its That Simple

Daniel 9:24KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

 

[Truth7t7]

I never said anyone including the lost is not spirit , soul, and body.

Jesus resurrected from the dead.
Lazarus resurrected from the dead.

Lazarus was a living spirit after death.

i don't think you are connecting the dots in taking me down a panaramic born again dynamic.

Your claim Lazarus was (Resurrected) Is false, he was raised from the dead just as Tabitha, both later died a physical deaths

The word (Resurrection) is reserved for the time when the glorified body is received, and Lazarus didnt receive this

 

[ewq1938]

All? So Lot was burned also because "all" means everybody or was the fire only killing people in a few cities rather than globally?

Destroyed Them "All", By Fire!

Liked 17:28-30KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

I never said anyone including the lost is not spirit , soul, and body.

Jesus resurrected from the dead.
Lazarus resurrected from the dead.

Lazarus was a living spirit after death.

i don't think you are connecting the dots in taking me down a panaramic born again dynamic.

Ahh ok well I won’t bother continuing on this one then since I can’t connect dots and you don’t like the view


that’s said , peace and good will God bless

 

[Truth7t7]

All? So Lot was burned also because "all" means everybody or was the fire only killing people in a few cities rather than globally?

The Earth Is Burned At His Presence, Yea, The World, And All That Dwell Therein.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[ewq1938]

There Is "One" Future Resurrection Of "All", This Takes Place On "The Last Day" At The Time Of "Final Judgement"

You contradict yourself since you have admitted there are two resurrections:

Yes there are "Two" resurrections on "The Last Day" as I posted this "Many Times" the righteous "First" the wicked "Second"

 

[ewq1938]

All? So Lot was burned also because "all" means everybody or was the fire only killing people in a few cities rather than globally?

The Earth Is Burned At His Presence, Yea, The World, And All That Dwell Therein.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Your claim Lazarus was (Resurrected) Is false, he was raised from the dead just as Tabitha, both later died a physical deaths

The word (Resurrection) is reserved for the time when the glorified body is received, and Lazarus didnt receive this

what about these folks ?

“And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Your claim Lazarus was (Resurrected) Is false, he was raised from the dead just as Tabitha, both later died a physical deaths

The word (Resurrection) is reserved for the time when the glorified body is received, and Lazarus didnt receive this

how did you determine this about the term resurrection ? Is it from a biblical teaching ?

 

[Truth7t7]

what about these folks ?

“And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭27:52-53‬ ‭

Those saints were raised from the dead, just as Lazarus and Tabitha were.

This took place after (His Resurrection) not (Their Resurrection)

Try doing a biblical study on the words resurrect, resurrection, your questions will be answered, the words are used specifically for the future event when the glorified body is received.

Matthew 27:52-53KJV
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

Those saints were raised from the dead, just as Lazarus and Tabitha were.

This took place after (His Resurrection) not (Their Resurrection)

Try doing a biblical study on the words resurrect, resurrection, your questions will be answered, the words are used specifically for the future event when the glorified body is received.

Matthew 27:52-53KJV
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

doesn’t it matter what the word resurrection means though ? What’s being described someone who is dead , being raised to life I’m sorry you seem to have a different view but brother they are resurrected anyone who has died , and been raised back to life they have been resurrected


it’s like you are removing the definition and explaining it means something that supports your argument .

I was wondering how you personally made that determination that it’s exclusive , I wasn’t insulting you I was curious which scriptures you studied that taught you that is all I meant

Was trying to be open to what you were saying , I don’t think I’m interested in doing my own study on that because I think to be resurrected by the lord is to be resurrected by the lord . People Pearce words a lot with scripture but this ones new to Me that if i say someone died and then rose from the dead they weren’t resurrected but I suppose there are a lot of ways to interpret things

 

[Truth7t7]

doesn’t it matter what the word resurrection means though ? What’s being described someone who is dead , being raised to life I’m sorry you seem to have a different view but brother they are resurrected anyone who has died , and been raised back to life they have been resurrected


it’s like you are removing the definition and explaining it means something that supports your argument .

I was wondering how you personally made that determination that it’s exclusive , I wasn’t insulting you I was curious which scriptures you studied that taught you that is all I meant

Was trying to be open to what you were saying , I don’t think I’m interested in doing my own study on that because I think to be resurrected by the lord is to be resurrected by the lord . People Pearce words a lot with scripture but this ones new to Me that if i say someone died and then rose from the dead they weren’t resurrected but I suppose there are a lot of ways to interpret things

God's words state your opinion is (False)

Lazarus was raised from the dead, just as the saints were, read it below, it's all yours.

Luke 12:12KJV
12 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

 

[Pilgrimshope]

God's words state your opinion is (False)

Lazarus was raised from the dead, just as the saints were, read it below, it's all yours.

Luke 12:12KJV
12 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

what are you talking about ? I agree that Lazarus was raised from the dead lol


I’m saying that to be raised from the dead , that’s what the word resurrection means .


but this I say as a brother you should be careful about wielding Gods word as an accusation against people to try to sway an argument your way . Just brotherly advice

My point is simple the word “ resurrection “ means “ to be raised from death to life “


😅

 

[Truth7t7]

I’m saying that to be raised from the dead , that’s what the word resurrection means .

I Strongly Disagree

Being Raised From The Dead, And The Resurrection Of The Dead Are Two Completely Different Subjects, And They Dont Represent The Same Thing As You Suggest.

(Raised From The Dead) applies to those prior to the last day resurrection.

The (Resurrection) Is Assigned To The Last Day, When All That Are In The Graves Will Hear His Voice, The Day The Glorified Body Is Received By Those Who Have Died In Faith.

Luke 12:12KJV
12 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

 

[ewq1938]

what are you talking about ? I agree that Lazarus was raised from the dead lol

He's personally re-defining what the word resurrection means. You are correct, Lazarus was resurrected from the dead. The only different between his and Christ's resurrection is Lazarus was resurrected back to mortal life while Christ was resurrected in an immortal body. Both are resurrections