Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Your claim of myself churning up hatred is 100% (False) your sounding like a CNN, MSNBC anchor, using the cancel culture buzzwords, racist, misogynist, etc

Only the (Remnant) chosen Jew will be saved and (Added) to the Church, the 1/3, the rest will die (Fact)

Zechariah 13:8-9KJV
8 And it shall come to pass, that in all the land, saith the Lord, two parts therein shall be cut off and die; but the third shall be left therein.
9 And I will bring the third part through the fire, and will refine them as silver is refined, and will try them as gold is tried: they shall call on my name, and I will hear them: I will say, It is my people: and they shall say, The Lord is my God.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Rubbish. I'm nothing like CNN. You demonstratively dislike Jews.
I fully understand the eschatological chastisement of Israel. Chastisement then renewal is the promise.
Not chastisement alone.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Have you ever heard of a decade?

Do you believe if Daniel's 70 weeks really meant 490 years, he would have written (Four Hundred Ninety Years) that's a no brainer

Daniel wrote (Seventy Weeks) and that's exactly what it will be, future events unfulfilled.

But do you know what a decade is? I asked first.
I'm not unconcerned if you don't like the way the prophets deliver their message.

 

[Truth7t7]

But do you know what a decade is? I asked first.
I'm not unconcerned if you don't like the way the prophets deliver their message.

Biblegateway (King James Version) Search (Decade)?

Not Used In My Holy Bible, (Next)

Search Results: 0 Bible results for “Decade.”

Did you mean decided (1 result)?

 

[Truth7t7]

Rubbish. I'm nothing like CNN. You demonstratively dislike Jews.
I fully understand the eschatological chastisement of Israel. Chastisement then renewal is the promise.
Not chastisement alone.

Your claim once again is (False)

My Lord and savior Jesus Christ walked in a Jewish body upon earth, with a Jewish mother

The 12 Apostles, that will be written in the foundations of New Jerusalem walked upon earth in Jewish bodies

You provide more fake news, cancel culture in false claims, against those who disagree with you, racist, antisemitic, yes CNN, MSNBC, leftist tactics to silence the opposition (Fact)

 

[FreeGrace2]

Its 100% a (Fact) Revelation 20:1-6 Below Is The Lords Spiritual Realm, Try To Find The Three Items Below, You Can't

You can giggle about your "facts", but I'm laughing out loud. Spiritualizing everything simply means you can claim anything you want about anything you read.

Jesus is clearly described as King. And He WILL rule the nations.

Jesus Christ Ruling & Reigning Has Absolutely (Nothing) To Do With The False Claims Of A Physical Earthly Kingdom, Physical Earthly Throne, Or Mortal Humans, Claimed To Be Seen In Revelation 20:1-6 Below, Your Response Is A (Distraction) From The Claims Made (Fact)

lol again.

What do you think is going on during the 1,000 years (whatever that means to you) on earth in Rev 20? Because at the END of the 1,000 years, Satan is released from his prison (v.7) to "deceive the nations" (v.8).

Perhaps you can help me find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist), A 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, Is A Man Made Fairy Tale (Fact)

OK, a simple question. Where, exactly does Jesus literally reign? Or is that simply symbolic as well?

 

[FreeGrace2]

Gary where do you find scripture to support your claim of a literal 1,000 year reign of Jesus Christ upon this existing earth, as claimed in bold red in your post above?

2 Peter 3:8 doesn't establish this claim, as it says one day is a thousand years, and nothing about a (Reign)

How silly. 2 Pet 3:8 isn't even about end times. Why do you appear to assume that?

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Biblegateway (King James Version) Search (Decade)?

Not Used In My Holy Bible, (Next)

Search Results: 0 Bible results for “Decade.”

Did you mean decided (1 result)?

It has nothing to do with the KJV.

I expect you know that.

 

[Blackpowderduelist]

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Your claim once again is (False)

My Lord and savior Jesus Christ walked in a Jewish body upon earth, with a Jewish mother

The 12 Apostles, that will be written in the foundations of New Jerusalem walked upon earth in Jewish bodies

You provide more fake news, cancel culture in false claims, against those who disagree with you, racist, antisemitic, yes CNN, MSNBC, leftist tactics to silence the opposition (Fact)

I am no leftist. Everything I've ever written on the political forum proves that. You are just lashing out because I've hit a nerve.
You keep accusing Jews. As if repeatedly reminding everyone of their sin proves God has no earthly plan for them.
I suggest that your distaste for them is behind your inability to accept God's written testimony that Jesus is returning to redeem
the earth physically.

 

[Truth7t7]

What do you think is going on during the 1,000 years (whatever that means to you) on earth in Rev 20? Because at the END of the 1,000 years, Satan is released from his prison (v.7) to "deceive the nations" (v.8).

Jesus Christ currently sits at the right hand of the Father, Jesus Christ Will Come Again Immediately After The Tribulation In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving The Existing Heavens And Earth

There will Be No Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, It Will Be (DISSOLVED)By the Lords fire in Judgement

Rev 20:7-9 satan will be loosed toward the end of the tribulation to gather the nations to Armageddon, Jesus Christ returns to earth, in fire

There will be no 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, its dissolved

Wicked lake of fire,righteous new heaven, earth, Jerusalem

Eternity begins

 

[Truth7t7]

I am no leftist. Everything I've ever written on the political forum proves that. You are just lashing out because I've hit a nerve.
You keep accusing Jews. As if repeatedly reminding everyone of their sin proves God has no earthly plan for them.
I suggest that your distaste for them is behind your inability to accept God's written testimony that Jesus is returning to redeem
the earth physically.

More false claims in fake news, I have no distaste for any ethnic race, CNN, MSNBC cancel culture at work, Racist, Antisemetic

The majority of Jews are bound by the Kabbalah, Zohar, and Talmud, do your research

Because I speak this factual truth, "that you dont like", I'm antisemetic?

CNN, MSNBC, silence the opposition, Racist, Antisemetic, misogynist

Stop your false cancel culture claims, concerning opposition to your dislikes

 

[Truth7t7]

I am no leftist. Everything I've ever written on the political forum proves that. You are just lashing out because I've hit a nerve.
You keep accusing Jews. As if repeatedly reminding everyone of their sin proves God has no earthly plan for them.
I suggest that your distaste for them is behind your inability to accept God's written testimony that Jesus is returning to redeem
the earth physically.

Jesus Is Gonna Redeem The Earth, By (Fire)!

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ!

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

More false claims in fake news, I have no distaste for any ethnic race, CNN, MSNBC cancel culture at work, Racist, Antisemetic

The majority of Jews are bound by the Kabbalah, Zohar, and Talmud, do your research

Because I speak this factual truth, "that you dont like", I'm antisemetic?

CNN, MSNBC, silence the opposition, Racist, Antisemetic, misogynist

Stop your false cancel culture claims, concerning opposition to your dislikes

I have researched Jewish beliefs & history. Extensively. For years in fact. I haven't denied Jewish religious practices, not once.
But I don't have an accusing spirit toward them. God is their judge. Nor did I call you racist or misogynist.

And in the place
Where it is said to them,
“You are not My people,”
It will be said to them,
“You are the sons of the living God.”

And the sons of Judah and the sons of Israel will be gathered together,
And they will appoint for themselves one leader,
And they will go up from the land,
For the day of Jezreel will be great.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth,

This here is a direct contradiction of The Word of God.

 

[FreeGrace2]

I asked:
"What do you think is going on during the 1,000 years (whatever that means to you) on earth in Rev 20? Because at the END of the 1,000 years, Satan is released from his prison (v.7) to "deceive the nations" (v.8)."

Jesus Christ currently sits at the right hand of the Father, Jesus Christ Will Come Again Immediately After The Tribulation In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving The Existing Heavens And Earth

There will Be No Future Millennial Kingdom On This Earth, It Will Be (DISSOLVED)By the Lords fire in Judgement

I continue to be amazed and amused by your misunderstanding of such a clear passage.

Rev 20:7-9 satan will be loosed toward the end of the tribulation to gather the nations to Armageddon, Jesus Christ returns to earth, in fire

There will be no 1,000 year Kingdom on earth, its dissolved

Wicked lake of fire,righteous new heaven, earth, Jerusalem

Eternity begins

The Bible speaks of the battle of Gog and Magog (20:8), which follows the battle of Armageddon (end of Tribulation when Jesus returns). And Rev 20 speaks of 1,000 years in v.2,3,4, and 5. ANd v.3 specifically mentions when the "1,000 years ENDED".

So quit spiritualizing. It's literal. Satan is bound for, yes, wait for it..... one thousand years which is when King Jesus rules the nations on earth. There is no reason to bind Satan IF IF IF Jesus' kingdom was only in heaven. That would be ridiculous.

And, why would Jesus be "ruling" His own saved people. The Bible SAYS that they will RULE with Him.

Rom 8:17b - Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

2 Tim 2:12a - if we endure, we will also reign with him.

Rev 20:4 - I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, you're not going to convince anyone with your spiritualized opinions.

When Jesus returns to earth, ALL believers will be resurrected/changed. So the Millennial Reign begins with Jesus ruling over the remainder of unbelievers who survived the Tribulation. And the faithful believers reigning with Him.

Very clear. Very simple.

 

[Absolutely]

NO NO NO. Please pay attention. I NEVER said that. 1 Thess 4 is very clear. The dead are resurrected, and THEN the living receive their changed bodies, which are exactly like the resurrected bodies of the dead saints.

you believe the resurrection of 1 thes 4 is after the gt at the second coming

 

[Absolutely]

I don't have that. You just continue to misread or maybe misunderstand what I have said. 1 Thess 4 is very clear that the dead in Christ will rise first. Did you get that?


You couldn't be more wrong.


"hope"?? Where do you get that notion? I'm not hoping for that. I simply believe what the Bible says. Jesus will REMAIN in heaven until the times of the restoration, as Acts 3:21 says.

And please don't tell me that the beginning of the Trib is any kind of "restoration". The Trib precedes the restoration. The restoration begins when Jesus returns at the end of the Trib when He ends the battle of Armaggedon.

LOL

the gathering in rev 14 of ripe fruit is DURING THE GT.

No matter what, you are advancing a doctrine that says the resurrection of 1 thes 4 is AFTER the gathering of rev 14 DURING THE GT.

but you can not admit it.

 

[posthuman]

Biblegateway (King James Version) Search (Decade)?

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Then Sarai Abram’s wife took Hagar her maid the Egyptian, after Abram had dwelled ten years in the land of Canaan, and gave her to her husband Abram for his wife.
(Genesis 16:3, 1599 gnv)
​

you seem to need some help; allow me

 

[Absolutely]

because the first resurrection is of the spirit , and the second is of the body in the end.



just like we were created in the beginning we were first made a body and then given a living spirit from God , and became a living soul , now that soul needs salvation from death because of the curse of sin.

they need to be born again of the spirit in this world and then have a promise for a new glorified heavenly body for that sanctified child of Gods spirit.

There is both heaven and earth which you understand well , our spirit corresponds to heaven and is of God , and our body is made of the creation the earth and corresponds as such. Salvation requires two parts a redemption and sanctification of the spirit for the new heaven , and a new incorruptible resurrection body for the new earth.

so there are two of everything but it’s one that has two parts like heaven and earth make a “ world “ a spirit and body make a living person.

Because of this There is two of everything really, two births , two deaths , Two testaments , father in heaven and son on earth ect but these “twos “ really make up the “ ones “ meaning each set of two is corresponding to heaven and earth or “spirit and flesh” which both are extensions of the prior spirit of heaven and flesh of earth

man is not only physical but also we are spiritual beings with bodies. Full redemption requires a new spirit which we receive through the operation of faith

“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh;

and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:3, 6‬ ‭

The new birthed spirit isn’t destined for the dying body of this dying world but we have the promise of faith regarding our body

“So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:

it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.”
‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭15:42-44, 47, 49‬ ‭

Everything is following this

“In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh:

and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:16-17‬ ‭

we are essentially at war with our own self having these two warring aspects of our being and needing salvation or both spirit and flesh are doomed

I never said anyone including the lost is not spirit , soul, and body.

Jesus resurrected from the dead.
Lazarus resurrected from the dead.

Lazarus was a living spirit after death.

i don't think you are connecting the dots in taking me down a panaramic born again dynamic.

 

[Ahwatukee]

I asked:
"What do you think is going on during the 1,000 years (whatever that means to you) on earth in Rev 20? Because at the END of the 1,000 years, Satan is released from his prison (v.7) to "deceive the nations" (v.8)."

I continue to be amazed and amused by your misunderstanding of such a clear passage.


The Bible speaks of the battle of Gog and Magog (20:8), which follows the battle of Armageddon (end of Tribulation when Jesus returns). And Rev 20 speaks of 1,000 years in v.2,3,4, and 5. ANd v.3 specifically mentions when the "1,000 years ENDED".

So quit spiritualizing. It's literal. Satan is bound for, yes, wait for it..... one thousand years which is when King Jesus rules the nations on earth. There is no reason to bind Satan IF IF IF Jesus' kingdom was only in heaven. That would be ridiculous.

And, why would Jesus be "ruling" His own saved people. The Bible SAYS that they will RULE with Him.

Rom 8:17b - Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.

2 Tim 2:12a - if we endure, we will also reign with him.

Rev 20:4 - I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

So, you're not going to convince anyone with your spiritualized opinions.

When Jesus returns to earth, ALL believers will be resurrected/changed. So the Millennial Reign begins with Jesus ruling over the remainder of unbelievers who survived the Tribulation. And the faithful believers reigning with Him.

Very clear. Very simple.

I agree with everything that you posted above, except for the following:

"When Jesus returns to earth, ALL believers will be resurrected/changed."

This resurrection in Rev.20:4-6 is referring to the great tribulation saints. The church will have been gathered prior to the on-set of God's wrath. For if you have the church being changed and caught up when the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, then it would mean that they would have to go through the entire wrath of God, which would be all of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, as well as the plagues that the two witnesses bring.

In further support of this, those who are resurrected in Rev.20:4-6, it is said that they will have not worshiped the beast, his image nor received his mark. Regarding this, the church will never see the beast/antichrist. The church will not be on the earth when the mark becomes the only way of buying and selling.

You said it yourself when you posted the following:

"Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory."

Since believers within the church have been credited with the righteousness of Christ, have been reconciled to God, are co-heirs with Christ, how then can you put the church through God's wrath which Jesus already satisfied? Jesus suffered God's wrath so that those who believe in Him would not be appointed to suffer His coming wrath.

"Surely He took on our infirmities and carried our sorrows; yet we considered Him stricken by God, struck down and afflicted. But He was pierced for our transgressions, He was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed."

Since Jesus was already pierced and punished for our sins, why are you putting the church through God's wrath?

Revelation 20:4-6 is the last phase of the first resurrection, which will be of the saints who come out of the great tribulation. This is not the church, but those who will become believers after the church has been changed and caught up and they will be on the earth during the time of God's wrath.