Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

ewq1938 · Feb 4, 2021

Once again you are very wrong.

Joh_12:1 Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.

Lazarus was raised from the dead and so was Jesus!

Act_3:15 And killed the Prince of life, whom God hath raised from the dead; whereof we are witnesses.

Act_4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Rom_6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

Rom_7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

1Th_1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come.

2Ti_2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel:

Truth7t7 · Feb 4, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Not one place in scripture will you find any person "Resurrected" other than Jesus Christ

Jesus Christ was the firstborn of the "Resurrection" being raised from the dead

Waiting for your magic find of any person being "Resurrected" you might find it in a children's bible, perhaps Aesops fables

Being raised from the dead, and being resurrected are two different subjects

ewq1938 · Feb 5, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

False:

Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

"raised to life again" is from the same exact Greek word that is also translated as "resurrection", ἀνάστασις anastasis.

He was not the first of a resurrection. He was the first to have a resurrection that gave an immortal body.

No, they are not.

Truth7t7 · Feb 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

Sorry pal, (raised to life again) meant they were breathing, and their heart was beating, being raised from the dead

The word Resurrection is specifically reserved for the future, on the last day when the immortal glorified body is received.

The horse is dead,its all yours

ewq1938 · Feb 5, 2021

Same Greek word for "resurrection". You have yet again been proven wrong.

Truth7t7 said:

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

and it’s okay if you disagree I’m okay with that part I hope you are also . I do appreciate the interaction and hope we can discuss things more often and find agreement on different subjects

you know I think when we get a lot of students together , learning good stuff then sometimes not always but what happens is our interpretations can get off track because we’re in a different area of study maybe or have been seeing different verses or maybe there’s some we didn’t see ect

Before God , I don’t want to argue or accuse each other of false doctrine / teaching ect it hasn’t gone there but I’m just saying I’m not wanting that type of discussion

disagreement is done in every way of we aren’t building any sort of anymousity or any bitter root . We as christians need to start living those type of things out the peace and instead of acting like the world does when we disagree , we should be able to donor much better than those outside of the church.

to be clear I’m not qualified to teach anything I’m only a guy who’s searching for fellowship and discussion until I can find a denomination when they open the churches back up .

I’m sorry to you or anyone of my words come off wrong , or anyone thinks I have an attitude or think I know something more than others , I don’t . I’m trying to find orginazatikn for the scriptures I’m learning and other angles and most of all other scriptures that might help

I’m only here till I find a I’m person church where I can learn what I’m seeking to learn from the Bible . In no way do I think anyone else is lost , a false teacher , or that I’m sinless or have some closer relationship to God I’m no knee judge in any way no ones leader or authority and I don’t fancy myself those things

just discussion in peace, we all get a tad excited I think and respond maybe too quick in this forum I know I sometimes do . But arguing is counter productive I’m learning when things go south and frustration starts to keep in we see others in a bad light so I’m a bit scared of argument but am desperate for conversation with someone who is like
Minded regarding conversation

I’m not saying you have made any of these mistakes I’m saying myself and a few others sometimes seem to get a bit argumentative and it’s not productive in my view

this conversation I think I can conclude that I respect your view and your right to hold and believe that view . But I don’t see it the same which I hope is also okay with you

ewq1938 · Feb 5, 2021

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection (G386 ἀνάστασις anastasis): on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection (G386 ἀνάστασις anastasis) of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection (G386 ἀνάστασις anastasis) of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life (G386 ἀνάστασις anastasis) again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

I agree , at least I know I always thought resurrection meant when we are raised from the dead but that’s just my own thinking . That’s why I asked for where he had concluded that from I was hoping he’d give me the scriptures and sort of explain it but it’s understandable we’re all working toward a perfect understanding it’s just easier together and even necessary that we come together to be complete

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

what is the point ?

If I say you are dead and then you are raised back up to life , if I ask you to sum that up in one word , what word would you use ? Let me ask you

brother if I die and am raised up by Jesus tomorrow from the grave , what is the way to say that in one word ?

Truth7t7 · Feb 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

and it’s okay if you disagree I’m okay with that part I hope you are also . I do appreciate the interaction and hope we can discuss things more often and find agreement on different subjects

you know I think when we get a lot of students together , learning good stuff then sometimes not always but what happens is our interpretations can get off track because we’re in a different area of study maybe or have been seeing different verses or maybe there’s some we didn’t see ect

Before God , I don’t want to argue or accuse each other of false doctrine / teaching ect it hasn’t gone there but I’m just saying I’m not wanting that type of discussion

disagreement is done in every way of we aren’t building any sort of anymousity or any bitter root . We as christians need to start living those type of things out the peace and instead of acting like the world does when we disagree , we should be able to donor much better than those outside of the church.

to be clear I’m not qualified to teach anything I’m only a guy who’s searching for fellowship and discussion until I can find a denomination when they open the churches back up .

I’m sorry to you or anyone of my words come off wrong , or anyone thinks I have an attitude or think I know something more than others , I don’t . I’m trying to find orginazatikn for the scriptures I’m learning and other angles and most of all other scriptures that might help

I’m only here till I find a I’m person church where I can learn what I’m seeking to learn from the Bible . In no way do I think anyone else is lost , a false teacher , or that I’m sinless or have some closer relationship to God I’m no knee judge in any way no ones leader or authority and I don’t fancy myself those things

just discussion in peace, we all get a tad excited I think and respond maybe too quick in this forum I know I sometimes do . But arguing is counter productive I’m learning when things go south and frustration starts to keep in we see others in a bad light so I’m a bit scared of argument but am desperate for conversation with someone who is like
Minded regarding conversation

I’m not saying you have made any of these mistakes I’m saying myself and a few others sometimes seem to get a bit argumentative and it’s not productive in my view

this conversation I think I can conclude that I respect your view and your right to hold and believe that view . But I don’t see it the same which I hope is also okay with you

Thanks for the chat, however there are many false doctrines being taught, our conversation of defining "Resurrection" is a minor issue.

Some go as far to consider such things as homosexuality acceptable in church order, female pastors, on and on,cant keep silent with the Hope's if being a good neighbor to false doctrine, scripture admonished us to expose and reprove it.

The best, Jesus Christ Is Lord!

Truth7t7 · Feb 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

Raised, because the word "Resurrection" is specifically designated for the last day, when the glorified body is received

I could post 100 verses on the word "Resurrection" that all pertain to the future event, I will spare you

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

where does this fit ?

“Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:14, 21

I would ask someone to consider not just the scriptures but what’s happening there what she says and how Jesus responds to her and when it is that Lazarus rises from the dead or is “resurrected “from the dead.

what was Jesus meaning there ? And why did Lazarus not have to wait ? Is it a matter of faith ?

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

yes I’m aware of false doctrines in the world and in the church . I’m just not chosen and appointed to correct those doctrines I can only discuss with others and present the actual word and some thoughts

“And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves;

if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:24-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m no teacher but I look at scripture like this as a good solid foundation of how sharing the things I do learn should look

arguing and bickering and getting bitter isn’t the way to correct false doctrine or even fight it , to fight false doctrine one needs to get away from men interpreting the Bible so much that the scripture doesn’t define anything anymore

to combat false doctrine it’s about the word of God being shared

“I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom; Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears
“And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
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‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:1-4 KJV‬‬

it’s good to share the truth but in my own particular thinking if I go arguing and condemning and accusing and correcting I’m actually missing what the word says about sharing Gods word the right way in the right spirit and it’s effect isn’t going to be the same. The example of peace , patience, gentleness is important and something I’m stumbling in sometimes but working towards

again you don’t have to agree with me about this subject either and God bless again lol okay last one

ewq1938 · Feb 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

I was proving the other member is wrong to say "resurrection" only applies to the future and that it isn't different than being raised from the dead as they errantly claim.

ewq1938 · Feb 5, 2021

Lazarus died the first death and was resurrected back to mortal life. While it's a different resurrection than the one of the future, it was still a resurrection.

Pilgrimshope said:

where does this fit ?

“Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.

Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.”
‭‭John‬ ‭11:14, 21

I would ask someone to consider not just the scriptures but what’s happening there what she says and how Jesus responds to her and when it is that Lazarus rises from the dead or is “resurrected “from the dead.

what was Jesus meaning there ? And why did Lazarus not have to wait ? Is it a matter of faith ?

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

Truth7t7 said:

again it’s okay with me that you see it that way and yes brother I’ve learned some scripture as well I think it’s more about how it’s being interpreted to fit an idea

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

yes inindertood I was hoping you would have built on that post haha sorry my bad I took your scriptures and went with an idea it inspired . I’m really bad at internet interaction lol I hope this pandemic ends so I can get back to in person discussions and find a good church

I was piling some thoughts on tour
Post sorry

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

have you ever heard the term “ translated “ regarding this ?

Enoch is a very interesting person in that he is the only person to
Never die and still walk with God and be translated and was no More on the earth but walked away with God at only 365 years old the youngest by far of that generation

I just recently was studying this and it’s fascinating to me , the kingdom of God was even in the beginning , the same kingdom we will be gathered into in the end Enoch is there in the heavens already with God and , he never died but was simply translated and was no more

I think that we have to acknowledge the two aspects of man spirit and flesh . When we do that two births , two deaths , two resurrections makes perfect sense to Me anyways

spiritual rebirth is no different than saying spiritual resurrection see here’s what the first resurrection is in my own belief it is a rebirth or resurrection of our spirit through believing the gospel what iMean is what if we counted this in there somewhere the faith part

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:

that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed,

that henceforth we should not serve sin.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-6‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:11‬ ‭

What if we counted the death and resurrection Gods word says applies To us ? The spiritual death and resurrection that happens through believing the gospel

“And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:23-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We took part in christs death and resurrection spiritually I tend to look at scripture through the gospel doctrines and revelation to me at least takes on a whole different meaning and really becomes clear

I

ewq1938 · Feb 5, 2021

Pilgrimshope said:

Yes.

Heb 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

G3346
μετατίθημι
metatithēmi
met-at-ith'-ay-mee
From G3326 and G5087; to transfer, that is, (literally) transport, (by implication) exchange, (reflexively) change sides, or (figuratively) pervert: - carry over, change, remove, translate, turn.

This is another type of a Rapture.

Elijah also did not die.

Pilgrimshope · Feb 5, 2021

ewq1938 said:

yes I went with Enoch because it is confirmed in the nt , Elijah I’ve sort of wondered about because there’s never a confirmation that I have found yet . Did the whirlwind not kill him ? I’m not sure I was thinking that also but am still iffy lol

but the term translated

“Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭

I always seem to go back to creation he made heaven and earth

“The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalms‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

so it makes me think of it in two ways as if there are two realms one heavenly realm and an earthly realm . And we ruined the earthly realm

“The earth also is defiled under the inhabitants thereof; because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭24:5-6‬ ‭

and we are being saved into the heavenly realm into the kingdom after we pass away , until he returns to earth and restores and makes it new

I think there is two aspects to it all spiritual and physical heaven and earth and all that corresponds to both the spiritual things to the heavens and the physical things to the earth

the earth is cursed and doomed and so are we , but God offered salvation now from death and the afterlife we were headed for

Less well-known Rapture verses. The case for the Rapture is compelling.

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