The 10 Commandments
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How could that be the case when Jesus told Peter to go fishing and he would find the temple tax in the mouth of a fish? That coin would cover the tax for both Peter and Christ. So you are seriously confused about currency and coinage. Someone on this forum believes that paper currency = the Mark of the Beast, so you must be from that camp. Which means you must operate strictly on the barter system.
I use currency, and when I do I sin. Thankfully I've been forgiven.
I don't think paper currency is the mark of the beast.
I would bet that the coin from the fish didn't have a graven image on it. I'd also be that it was pure silver. Otherwise he could have just told Peter to use any old coin for the tax.
There's a lot that I don't understand. But I do know a little bit about currency and coinage.
I don't think paper currency is the mark of the beast.
I would bet that the coin from the fish didn't have a graven image on it. I'd also be that it was pure silver. Otherwise he could have just told Peter to use any old coin for the tax.
There's a lot that I don't understand. But I do know a little bit about currency and coinage.
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this is what you said in your post 55
What a distortion of scripture this post is! If we give our sins to Christ we accept the forgiveness Christ offers, but that doesn't mean that we then commit sin intentionally so Christ can forgive it.
which is why I stated what I did. nowhere in his post did he say anything about living a frivolous life and continuing in sin why do YOU even bring it up and then you tell me to read scripture and posts as written
First, he was responding to my post about the op...not you. Second, what he said is correct. Three, you are only defending the op because you practice Sabbath keeping yourself and have made numerous posts about it. forth, there was no scripture in his post or my post so you are adding to what was written, again, not even addressed to you.
don't insult people because they disagree with the Sabbath keeping of the 7th Day Adventists.
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I certainly had no intention of insulting people, I simply spoke of scripture. Please know I accept your interpretations of scripture, they are yours and you are a Christian.
You accused people when they report on a commandment and I felt a need to defend their right to report scripture.
Please couldn't we accept each other and still speak of scripture? Now you say that "I practice Sabbath keeping". You do not know me, you make that assumption because I have stated that I believe that the Lord blessed Saturday for our sakes. It is scripture we are to discuss, not about judging people. If we only speak of our personal life, not scripture, we cannot freely discuss scripture. I am not judging your personal walk, that is up to the Lord to judge even if I knew you, but surely we can discuss scripture without this accusing, personal judging, and trying to rule other people.
You accused people when they report on a commandment and I felt a need to defend their right to report scripture.
Please couldn't we accept each other and still speak of scripture? Now you say that "I practice Sabbath keeping". You do not know me, you make that assumption because I have stated that I believe that the Lord blessed Saturday for our sakes. It is scripture we are to discuss, not about judging people. If we only speak of our personal life, not scripture, we cannot freely discuss scripture. I am not judging your personal walk, that is up to the Lord to judge even if I knew you, but surely we can discuss scripture without this accusing, personal judging, and trying to rule other people.
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I made no accusations. everything I stated is the truth including the fact the op has copy/pasted from an SDA site
I have no problem with that but for the most part I do not want to discuss your view. I have discussed it with you many times already and I just totally disagree with your interpretation of the Sabbath. I do appreciate how you worded the above. please note that when you make comments to me such as 'I accused' that just is going to not set well with me because I don't call names or make false accusations or 'attack' and that type of wording is often used in defense from someone who cannot provide scripture or even reasoning for what they say and so they 'accuse'
please do not be that person and thanks for your reply
I have no problem with that but for the most part I do not want to discuss your view. I have discussed it with you many times already and I just totally disagree with your interpretation of the Sabbath. I do appreciate how you worded the above. please note that when you make comments to me such as 'I accused' that just is going to not set well with me because I don't call names or make false accusations or 'attack' and that type of wording is often used in defense from someone who cannot provide scripture or even reasoning for what they say and so they 'accuse'
please do not be that person and thanks for your reply
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This is wonderful! If you please understand that this is strictly about scripture and you have just as much right to your interpretation as I have.
Your response to a biblical command was "having faith in God isn't good enough". I don't think that faith in God can do more than gain us forgiveness for our sins. I think that is good enough. I don't think that faith lets us ignore God's commands, and I don't think that fact can be described as "not good enough".
Also, you restated God's blessing of a certain day and that God asked us to honor that day as "demand worship on a special day". When scripture told us of this in Genesis it was not explained to us as "I (God) demand worship on a special day". God gives us free will, God doesn't demand. We are told of the results of our actions, but those actions are our choice. God didn't bless us and a certain day as a "demand of worship on a special day".
Your response to a biblical command was "having faith in God isn't good enough". I don't think that faith in God can do more than gain us forgiveness for our sins. I think that is good enough. I don't think that faith lets us ignore God's commands, and I don't think that fact can be described as "not good enough".
Also, you restated God's blessing of a certain day and that God asked us to honor that day as "demand worship on a special day". When scripture told us of this in Genesis it was not explained to us as "I (God) demand worship on a special day". God gives us free will, God doesn't demand. We are told of the results of our actions, but those actions are our choice. God didn't bless us and a certain day as a "demand of worship on a special day".
The ten commandments (Exod. 20:1-17; Deut. 5:6-21) were laws given to us by God as guidelines more than 3,000 years ago they are still relevant today. When Jesus interprets and epitomizes this code, he reduces it to the positive virtue of love. Paul does the same thing in (Romans 13:8-10 NIV-UK 8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, ‘You shall not commit adultery,’ ‘You shall not murder,’ ‘You shall not steal,’ ‘You shall not covet,’[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: ‘Love your neighbour as yourself.’[b] 10 Love does no harm to a neighbour. Therefore, love is the fulfilment of the law.) This law cannot be fulfilled only by concern and care; it calls for loving obedience to God and loving service to man. (Romans 2:12-15 NKJV 12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law 13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; 14 for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, 15 who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) You will be happy if you are obeying the Word. It's not what you hear or know, it's what you DO that will affect you. The primary purpose of the Ten Commandments was to enable the Israelites, as the Lord's redeemed and peculiar treasure, to enter into a life of joyful fellowship with their Redeemer. Galatians 3:19-29 ESV. 19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary. 20 Now an intermediary implies more than one, but God is one.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
23 Now before faith came, we were held captive under the law, imprisoned until the coming faith would be revealed. 24 So then, the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith. 25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.
All 10 commandments are alive and well today.
Love your neighbor and God is a fulfillment because if you love God you will keep the sabbath, not commit idolatry, not take his name in vain,etc
If you love your neighbor you wont steal, kill, commit adultery, bear false witnessetc
Constatine changed Sabbath worship to the pagan Sunday, and I'm not 7th day Adventist
Constatine donated the land that is now Vatican City in Rome, he built St Peter's Basilica, it was through this Emperor and his (State Church) that Sunday observance was enforced, and it remains to this day
Wikipedia: Sol Invictus
Constantine decreed (March 7, 321) dies Solis—day of the Sun, "Sunday"—as the Roman day of rest
On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[34]
Love your neighbor and God is a fulfillment because if you love God you will keep the sabbath, not commit idolatry, not take his name in vain,etc
If you love your neighbor you wont steal, kill, commit adultery, bear false witnessetc
Constatine changed Sabbath worship to the pagan Sunday, and I'm not 7th day Adventist
Constatine donated the land that is now Vatican City in Rome, he built St Peter's Basilica, it was through this Emperor and his (State Church) that Sunday observance was enforced, and it remains to this day
Wikipedia: Sol Invictus
Constantine decreed (March 7, 321) dies Solis—day of the Sun, "Sunday"—as the Roman day of rest
On the venerable day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed. In the country however persons engaged in agriculture may freely and lawfully continue their pursuits because it often happens that another day is not suitable for grain-sowing or vine planting; lest by neglecting the proper moment for such operations the bounty of heaven should be lost.[34]
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Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Eph 6:10–12). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
No one can keep them perfectly; Thankfully We have Jesus, live by Grace. The 10 commandments are there to show us our sin, show us what we need Grace for. And Jesus takes that sin if we give it over to him. Not because he does not know what you we done, but to humble your self and say Lord I see my sin in your character of the Law of Love. And to show respect for that Law we take his mind to our own. Learning to hate sin. not being double minded James 1:8 Having the Law on our hearts. A Spiritual rest.
The 10 Commandments Teaches me; singleness of purpose is essential to my relationship to God. In order to overcome. God gives us this mind with His word. The more we study his word and put it in our heart is only the better.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
The Holy Bible: King James Version. (1995). (electronic ed. of the 1769 edition of the 1611 Authorized Version., Eph 6:10–12). Bellingham WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.
1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
No one can keep them perfectly; Thankfully We have Jesus, live by Grace. The 10 commandments are there to show us our sin, show us what we need Grace for. And Jesus takes that sin if we give it over to him. Not because he does not know what you we done, but to humble your self and say Lord I see my sin in your character of the Law of Love. And to show respect for that Law we take his mind to our own. Learning to hate sin. not being double minded James 1:8 Having the Law on our hearts. A Spiritual rest.
The 10 Commandments Teaches me; singleness of purpose is essential to my relationship to God. In order to overcome. God gives us this mind with His word. The more we study his word and put it in our heart is only the better.
You may not be a 7th day Adventist, but I can see that you have been drinking the same kool aid as them. So if all 10 commandments under the law are alive and well today and we remain under the law, why don't you explain to us exactly how you keep the sabbath day. 
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when sabbatarians set out to worship on the sabbath, are they truly "keeping the sabbath" as prescribed in the Old Testament under the old covenant law? To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant law would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)
If the seventh day sabbath is still in affect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD has commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Now who is going to enforce that law today? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? Or perhaps the Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant law, no sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.
Even when sabbatarians set out to worship on the sabbath, are they truly "keeping the sabbath" as prescribed in the Old Testament under the old covenant law? To "keep the sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the old covenant law would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.
If sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath. (Exodus 35:3) Every man must remain in his place on the sabbath. (Exodus 16:29) No trading. (Amos 8:5) No marketing. (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19) These were commanded by God to Israel. (Exodus 35:1)
If the seventh day sabbath is still in affect today, then why don't sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD has commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it? If the sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.
Now who is going to enforce that law today? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? Or perhaps the Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the old covenant law, no sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.
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I wonder why it is that posters are so touchy about their sacred Sunday for church? If you even mention at all that God told us about the seventh day in Genesis it is twisted into "you are demanding". I doubt there is one person who knows God created a Sabbath who cares one iota what day you go to church. Paul even wrote about that the Lord doesn't care that much.
Christians are not under law for salvation, but Christians who love the Lord listen to what the lord tells them with faith in it, and that Torah is called law when the scripture is interpreted into our language. But if a person is a Christian they have faith in all the Lord says, and you say you are not under any of that.
When the Lord rested on the seventh day and told us to rest, also. It has deep meaning both spiritually and literally. Christians listen. Some choose a church who worships on the Sabbath, too, some don't believe it, and some love the church enough to go there on the day they hold services. The Lord lets each person free to do what they choose. People who do not follow the Lord judge according to each person's choice, those who follow the Lord allows each person to choose their own way.
As far as "so many rules and regulations", the Lord does not have so many rules, we are to follow the spirit of the lord. The Pharisees added rules and regulations, scripture didn't.
When the Lord rested on the seventh day and told us to rest, also. It has deep meaning both spiritually and literally. Christians listen. Some choose a church who worships on the Sabbath, too, some don't believe it, and some love the church enough to go there on the day they hold services. The Lord lets each person free to do what they choose. People who do not follow the Lord judge according to each person's choice, those who follow the Lord allows each person to choose their own way.
As far as "so many rules and regulations", the Lord does not have so many rules, we are to follow the spirit of the lord. The Pharisees added rules and regulations, scripture didn't.
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