The 10 Commandments

[eternally-gratefull]

The ten commandments pertain to morality within the human race and to worship of God.

We know we are sinners. The law tells us what is right behavior in the eyes of God and how to comport ourselves for our own survival. That's why each of the eight commands begin as a directive for right behavior as pertains to what we are not to do. Thou shalt not....
While two of the commands are directives with no equivocation. Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy. And, honor thy father and mother.

Jesus said, if you love me keep my commandments. Jesus being God, that command applies to the ten commandments, many of which Jesus reiterated before giving that directive to keep the commandments. John 14 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.”

The Sabbath was made for man. It was the Pharisee that wrote the viciousness into the Sabbath law that would warrant a person suffer punishment if they worked on the Sabbath day. God did not do this. God created the Sabbath day as our day of rest that we may abide solely in him without the world interfering. As it does today when we have so much to worry about. Jesus did not revoke the Sabbath. In him we have our rest and that is because Jesus is God who made the Sabbath day and made it holy.
If you're able to not work on the Sabbath, sundown Friday unto sundown Saturday, do so. And commit to the good works God would lead you to do.
If you have to work on the Sabbath, maybe consider that doing the good work of the Lord. You're making a living surviving yourself and your family. And with those monies you are able to help others through simple kindnesses. Like buying a little extra and donating to the food bank in your area.
God created the Sabbath for us. It makes sense that he would not repeal it simply because he sent himself as Jesus to save us.

Observe my Sabbaths and have reverence for my sanctuary. I am the Lord.
Leviticus 26:2

“How much more valuable is a person than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.”
Matthew 12:12

Hebrews 4:1 Therefore, since the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us be careful that none of you be found to have fallen short of it. 2 For we also have had the good news proclaimed to us, just as they did; but the message they heard was of no value to them, because they did not share the faith of those who obeyed. 3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said,

There are some churches today that insist the ten commands of God no longer apply. If anyone here is a member of that kind of church, I'd recommend you read the ten commandments again. Imagine a preacher telling you that God's command against stealing no longer applies. Nor does committing murder.
Then you might consider leaving that church and wondering as to the moral foundation of that pastor.

Paul said the law was given as a schoolmaster to lead us to christ, he also said the law was given to tear down our pride (shut us up)

if you think the law will show you how to be a good morally upright person, I think you are in trouble, because the law was not given for that purpose, hence you are taking it out of context

i agree, those who love god keep his commands, but we keep them not because we obey laws but because of love,
which is what Jesus was saying when he said love fulfills the law

 

[eternally-gratefull]

well I answered my own question here

all of this thread and another Beth posted are from a 7th day Adventist site

so, trying to make converts?

would be nice to just be honest up front about it

That explains alot

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The Ten Commandments describe a normal state of life，The Ten Commandments describe the real meaning of true life，But we don't follow the rules，So the law adds repentance，It's not the law that curses us, but we turn the law into a law that curses people

The ten commands do not even come close to this, we could technically keep all ten and still be guilty of sin, as there are many commands gd has given

god gave us ten and basically said, you can’t even keep these few, so how can you think you are righteous, take what you learn from these ten, they look to what is required because you can not even keep these ten.

this should have led them and us to christ

sadly, they, like many people, think they keep the ten so they are ok, when in reality they are headed down, and going to fall hard if they do not find christ

 

[garee]

Whether two paragraphs or 10, it’s all just SDA propaganda that culminates in salvation by “grace plus law, faith plus works.” (Galatians 1:6-9)

Yes not faith plus works .Its all one work. Faith is a work or called a labor of love. We are born again by the faith of Christ, it worked in the Son to both will and do the pleasure of God just as it works in us, The faith is not of ourselves We had none that could please him .

Faith, the will (let there be) ) cannot be separated from doing, the work (and it was good) . Faith is a fine work art we are his masterpiece the picture he frames for our understanding. . or Potters clay, earthen vessels of clay formed by his understanding ..

 

[soggykitten]

Paul said the law was given as a schoolmaster to lead us to christ, he also said the law was given to tear down our pride (shut us up)

if you think the law will show you how to be a good morally upright person, I think you are in trouble, because the law was not given for that purpose, hence you are taking it out of context

i agree, those who love god keep his commands, but we keep them not because we obey laws but because of love,
which is what Jesus was saying when he said love fulfills the law

I think you're taking the ten commandments out of context because you appear to think they no longer matter.
Jesus said, if you love me you will keep my commands.

The ten commandments describe basic moral conduct. The laws of God no more make an immoral person than do the laws of men make those prone to law breaking solid citizens.

However, the reason God said his laws are written in our hearts isn't because God's laws no longer matter nor apply. If that were true God wouldn't have translated them unto our hearts when we were reborn in Christ. The laws of God are laws that pertain to conscience.

If you think thou shalt not murder, steal, commit adultery, are that which tear down our pride, I'm afraid you're taking Paul out of context. Pride is that which insists the laws that pertain to being a conscientious person are no longer valid because we have Jesus.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

 

[Scribe]

Does anyone believe we can and must keep the 10 Commandments?

Who doesn't?
I personally believe the sabbath one is kept by resting in Jesus Christ. I believe that those who do not rest in Jesus Christ but observe days and tell other people that they are not doing it right are breaking the sabbath while they are accusing others of doing so.
All the other 9 are self explanatory and I have never met a Christian from any denomination that does not believe we are expected do obey them. Have you?

 

[soberxp]

The ten commands do not even come close to this, we could technically keep all ten and still be guilty of sin, as there are many commands gd has given

god gave us ten and basically said, you can’t even keep these few, so how can you think you are righteous, take what you learn from these ten, they look to what is required because you can not even keep these ten.

this should have led them and us to christ

sadly, they, like many people, think they keep the ten so they are ok, when in reality they are headed down, and going to fall hard if they do not find christ

I don't think it's because who keep the ten commandments.
Because God looks at the heart and the mind
We should walk in the Holy spirit

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I think you're taking the ten commandments out of context because you appear to think they no longer matter.

i think you failed to read my post, because I said they still were considered sin if broken

Jesus said, if you love me you will keep my commands.

yep, and if you read my post I explained this verse and how it shows it is love which does not break the commands, not following some law

The ten commandments describe basic moral conduct. The laws of God no more make an immoral person than do the laws of men make those prone to law breaking solid citizens.

However, the reason God said his laws are written in our hearts isn't because God's laws no longer matter nor apply. If that were true God wouldn't have translated them unto our hearts when we were reborn in Christ. The laws of God are laws that pertain to conscience.

If you think thou shalt not murder, steal, commit adultery, are that which tear down our pride, I'm afraid you're taking Paul out of context. Pride is that which insists the laws that pertain to being a conscientious person are no longer valid because we have Jesus.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The ten are basic commands, God gave many commands, if we just focus on ten we are in serious trouble (see the pharisees) remember they kept the law but the spirit of the law they could not keep because they tried to keep the letter, which they did quite well.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I don't think it's because who keep the ten commandments.
Because God looks at the heart and the mind
We should walk in the Holy spirit

Seek after things of the spirit.
amen, in doing this and walking in love we will by practice be command keepers not breakers

 

[lenna]

Yeah, she comes in asking a question then has all the answers. Apparently having faith in Jesus Christ isn’t good enough for some people, they demand you worship on a specific calendar day.

ha. well we know she was never really asking questions then

tiresome

 

[lenna]

"thou shalt not steal"

aww come on. she was just 'sharing'

 

[MyrtleTrees]

Does anyone believe we can and must keep the 10 Commandments?

It sounds tAo me as though we are to obey them. However, the one about the keeping of the Sabbath, has a different meaning for the Sabbath, under the New Covenant. The Old one was just a picture of it. The new one, has to do with turning away from sin, and accepting the lordship of Christ in one's life. The people of Israel - most of them, failed to surrender their lives to God, and so most of them didn't go to heaven. Read Hebrews 5-7, about.

The word, "Rest" (in the spiritual sense of the word) - refers to that decision to sincerely serve God in daily life.

Heb 4:5-8

5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
KJV

"Jesus" in this passage - refers to "Joshua." Jesus is the the Greek name for "Joshua." Joshua is the Hebrew form of it. The name (both) mean "Savior."

 

[SoulWeaver]

"Jesus" in this passage - refers to "Joshua." Jesus is the the Greek name for "Joshua." Joshua is the Hebrew form of it. The name (both) mean "Savior."

Yep Joshua from the Book of Joshua. This is often confused...
If it were interpreted in the other way, it would mean that Christ didn't give us rest, but we must take it ourselves once a week.

Matthew 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

 

[Blik]

Yeah, she comes in asking a question then has all the answers. Apparently having faith in Jesus Christ isn’t good enough for some people, they demand you worship on a specific calendar day.

What a distortion of scripture this post is! If we give our sins to Christ we accept the forgiveness Christ offers, but that doesn't mean that we then commit sin intentionally so Christ can forgive it.

Then to add to the distortion you use the word demand. The Lord teaches acceptance, demand is against all of God's teaching. Even God does not demand. We are given free will. If a Christian repeats a commandment of the Lord, it is most certainly not to demand it, it is telling of a commandment of the Lord. And the Lord gives free will.

 

[lenna]

What a distortion of scripture this post is! If we give our sins to Christ we accept the forgiveness Christ offers, but that doesn't mean that we then commit sin intentionally so Christ can forgive it.

Then to add to the distortion you use the word demand. The Lord teaches acceptance, demand is against all of God's teaching. Even God does not demand. We are given free will. If a Christian repeats a commandment of the Lord, it is most certainly not to demand it, it is telling of a commandment of the Lord. And the Lord gives free will.

and NO ONE said we can now go and commit intentional sin

why do you do that? why do you make it seem that people here are eager to go out and sin? this is just smearing others and you do it almost constantly!

God does not demand? He demands holiness and justice. He provided the answer to both

the distortion is in trying to combine law given to the Israelites with the sacrifice of Christ. you cannot have it both ways

 

[Duskey]

What a distortion of scripture this post is! If we give our sins to Christ we accept the forgiveness Christ offers, but that doesn't mean that we then commit sin intentionally so Christ can forgive it.

Then to add to the distortion you use the word demand. The Lord teaches acceptance, demand is against all of God's teaching. Even God does not demand. We are given free will. If a Christian repeats a commandment of the Lord, it is most certainly not to demand it, it is telling of a commandment of the Lord. And the Lord gives free will.

Worshipping on Saturdays is a commandment of the Lord? Please show me where that is written in Scripture.

 

[Duskey]

and NO ONE said we can now go and commit intentional sin

why do you do that? why do you make it seem that people here are eager to go out and sin? this is just smearing others and you do it almost constantly!

God does not demand? He demands holiness and justice. He provided the answer to both

the distortion is in trying to combine law given to the Israelites with the sacrifice of Christ. you cannot have it both ways

Thank you for sharing common sense and great insight. Much appreciated.

 

[Nehemiah6]

I think Jesus was pointing out the sinfulness of using the coinage.

How could He be suggesting that when He told His audience to render to Cesar the things which are Cesar's? This was a reference to the taxation of Jews by the Romans. The Lord taught that all lawful taxes should be paid.

Coinage is not sinful in itself. It is neutral. You can either use it for the Kingdom of God or for the Kingdom of Darkness. To render to God the things which are God's means apply your financial resources for the propagation of the Gospel and the increase of God's Kingdom on earth through the Church.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Worshipping on Saturdays is a commandment of the Lord? Please show me where that is written in Scripture.

The Lord's Day is the first day of the week -- the day for Christian worship. Unsaved Jews observe the 7th day Sabbath.

 

[surfer14]

How could He be suggesting that when He told His audience to render to Cesar the things which are Cesar's? This was a reference to the taxation of Jews by the Romans. The Lord taught that all lawful taxes should be paid.

I don't think He was suggesting anything. I think He was plainly saying that the use of their currency was sinful. He was pointing out the need for a savior. The same as when He said to gouge out your eyes, chop off your hands, turn the other cheek, give your coat away, and be perfect - just like God. If a graven image was sinful, then how would it not be sinful to use those coins??

Remember who is telling you that Jesus was just saying to pay your taxes. A 501c3 tax exempt church is telling you that. In getting their tax exempt status, churches bend the knee to the government. Government doesn't let you avoid paying taxes for nothing. There are strings attached. That's why churches teach that Jesus just said to pay your taxes. Think about it.

Coinage is not sinful in itself. It is neutral. You can either use it for the Kingdom of God or for the Kingdom of Darkness. To render to God the things which are God's means apply your financial resources for the propagation of the Gospel and the increase of God's Kingdom on earth through the Church.

If the coinage wasn't sinful, then are you saying that it was only the guy that was minting them that was committing sin? As soon as he got done minting any given coin, and that coin passed out of his possession, that the coins magically became pure as the wind driven snow? I'd say that if it was sinful for the guy to make them, then it was also sinful to possess them and use them.

And I think it still is sinful.