Today’s church’s misunderstandings
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that God had a reason for the laws and feast days etc in the Old Testament.....he certainly didn't make a mistake.
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Old Testament
why argue over what day we worship on.......we should worship everyday
Lots. God did not cancel the old covenants because He had made an error. Some things are obsolete, but God didn't cancel anything He did. When God told people not to mix things, it was no mistake. When the blood of animals was used as a symbol of the blood of Christ for the atonement of sins, it was no mistake. When scripture says angels married Hebrew women, that is what it means. When scripture suggests that it would be good to celebrate God's plan with feasts and celebrations, it is no mistaken idea or meant as a burden, but as fun. We can rely on the holiness and truth of the Lord.
i'm new here so i'm not sure if your being sarcastic????
the only laws we can bring over into the New Testament are the ones Jesus taught and brought over.
The argument is much, much deeper than what day to go to church. It is about believing the old testament as it tells of creation. Did the Lord work six days, rest on the last day of the week and give us this day to rest on? Did the new covenant change that? Did Mary change the day, did she find Christ rose on Sunday or did she discover that Christ had risen already on Sunday? If Christ rose on Sunday, did that change what we learn in Genesis? Being a Christian means we accept what Christ did for us, does determining the Sabbath really matter?
That is a fancy way of saying you don't believe the old testament. If Christ wasn't explaining the law but He was making new laws, then we have to determine which is God, the Son or the Father. That doesn't make sense.
amen, neither on this mountain nor some other, but whatever ground we find ourselves on
you're right that the 'argument' ((the basis, the analysis and the justification)) are much, much deeper than is being discussed.
a new commandment I give you
(John 13:34)
in the saying 'new,' He hath made the first old
(Hebrews 8:13)
Do you think the new covenant (new commandment) is telling us to go to church on Sunday?
Again, you have paraphrased someone's words and completely misrepresented them. Why do you keep doing this?
i believe the old testament....i'm just not sure what your question is?
you said "If Christ wasn't explaining the law but He was making new laws, then we have to determine which is God, the Son or the Father. That doesn't make sense."????? huh
i think your wanting to talk about Saturday & Sunday????
which one of these days are you a Christian on?
I get what you mean about worshiping every day. But if you think about it worship can only be called worship if it is in Truth of the word. Meaning you should have biblical meaning for what you worship. Example Cane and Able both worshiped God by giving their gift to God but only one did it in truth.
i totally agree that we must worship in spirit and in truth. A lot of people are trying to worship like Cain did. He knew the sacrifice required blood. yet he brought the fruit of the ground. all while he had hatred and sin in his heart
Genesis 4:6-7 (KJV)
6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Genesis 4:6-7 (KJV)
6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Actually, you did. He just paraphrased your words. If you don't like it when others do it to you, don't do it to others.
Christ said "you have been told" and then Christ stated a law. Then Christ said "but I tell you". Some say, as you have, that a law must be repeated by Christ to be accepted. However, that was spoken to a large group of Jews who had absolute faith in the law. What was new was that Christ explained the laws, giving them in the spirit of the Lord instead of by hard and fast rules.
If you say the Christ cancelled the old rules and gave new ones, then you are saying that Christ has taken away the power of the old God and is a new God for us. I do not think that is so. Christ told us He and the Father were one. Christ always was in complete agreement with the Father. We must conclude that Christ was explaining the law, not taking over from from the Father.
Since you disagreed with my assessment of your paraphrase of AlmondJoy's statement, how about you step up and explain how you got "That's a fancy way of saying you don't believe the old testament" out of "the only laws we can bring over into the New Testament are the ones Jesus taught and brought over."
Do you consider it impossible to believe the OT while simultaneously recognizing that it doesn't apply to us in the same way it applied to ancient Israel?
Wow... you really seem stuck in black-and-white thinking. It's like you can't see anything between radical extremes.
Having done an extensive study of the the New Testament Church, I must need go by the evidence. The Way, as the NTC was known as was mainy composed of jews who still followed the Jewish custom and feasts. One of them was to meet on the Sabbath. it was unknown to meet on Sunday. In addition they met daily in homes to share meals together, for the appostles teaching, for prayer and fellowship. At no time did they meet together for the eucharist/lord's table/communion. There were no christians in the NTC.
No instruction was needed abut the day of meeting because they autmatically being Jews met on the Sabbath (Saturday) when all the other Jews met.
so you would rather follow tradition rather than God? Paul says follow me as I follow Christ it was Christ’s custom to keep the Sabbath it was Paul’s custom so should it be ours. Regardless of who changed it, it was changed only in ignorance. And what I mean by changed is he set the decree. Anyways man cannot change God‘s laws.