Lordship salvation vs. "easy believism"

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soggykitten

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eternally-gratefull said:
The only reason to fear is when your under law and required to live a certain standard and failing to do so will cause loss of salvation

No one fears easy believism those people as Jude said were long ago condemned.

True faith works My friend Dead faith does not. Works have no part of salvation period.
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You may repeat the falsity that I or others here are saying we work to stay saved as you like. Those are your words and they are and shall ever be false when thinking to attribute them to what I have said. Or others whom you accuse in the same false manner.
Let me be clear so that you get it this time. I HAVE NEVER SAID WE HAVE TO LABOR, WORK, OR DO GOOD DEEDS IN ORDER TO STAY SAVED!

Clear?

However, if you think your deeds as a Christian aren't going to be judged it is you that is wrong. And scripture proves you wrong.

The mistake you make and others like you is to think all you have to do is believe in Jesus and that's it. Period. End of story.
That same false notion is not uncommonly accompanied by the false teaching the Christian can lose their salvation by their own choice, doing, or deeds.
Isn't that a blip? To argue deeds mean nothing to salvation and then claim deeds can lose us our salvation.

God says otherwise. God also says otherwise as pertains to the Christian, which refers to the one who is saved, and their good deeds in service to God.
 
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throughfaith

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soggykitten said:
I prefer Scriptural Salvation.
From Got Questions folks. Also addresses easy believerism. Less than 8 minutes.
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Yes the false teaching of Got questions and John Macarthur of course preach Lordship salvation as if its positive .
 
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Works based salvation teaches license to sin.

"Lord Lord".
Go away I never knew you.
But we did all the things in your name
Go away you workers of iniquity.

Paraphrased.

Why would Jesus say this to people who did works for the sake of salvation?
Would it be because they made themselves Lord, expecting that their works earned them a place in Jesus?

I say believe and let Jesus do the work.
 
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Blackpowderduelist said:
Works based salvation teaches license to sin.

"Lord Lord".
Go away I never knew you.
But we did all the things in your name
Go away you workers of iniquity.

Paraphrased.

Why would Jesus say this to people who did works for the sake of salvation?
Would it be because they made themselves Lord, expecting that their works earned them a place in Jesus?

I say believe and let Jesus do the work.
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Interestingly enough there are those who claim we who adhere to once saved always saved, or, our salvation is an eternal irrevocable gift from/of God, teaches a license to sin.

God did the work on the cross.
However, we are mistaken if we think God doesn't call us into his service as his church. Those are the deeds I speak of and refer to. And those or the lack thereof are what we shall be judged for.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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soggykitten said:
You may repeat the falsity that I or others here are saying we work to stay saved as you like. Those are your words and they are and shall ever be false when thinking to attribute them to what I have said. Or others whom you accuse in the same false manner.
Let me be clear so that you get it this time. I HAVE NEVER SAID WE HAVE TO LABOR, WORK, OR DO GOOD DEEDS IN ORDER TO STAY SAVED!

Clear?

However, if you think your deeds as a Christian aren't going to be judged it is you that is wrong. And scripture proves you wrong.

The mistake you make and others like you is to think all you have to do is believe in Jesus and that's it. Period. End of story.
That same false notion is not uncommonly accompanied by the false teaching the Christian can lose their salvation by their own choice, doing, or deeds.
Isn't that a blip? To argue deeds mean nothing to salvation and then claim deeds can lose us our salvation.

God says otherwise. God also says otherwise as pertains to the Christian, which refers to the one who is saved, and their good deeds in service to God.
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do you or do you not preach that water baptism must be achieved to be born again?
 
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throughfaith

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soggykitten said:
That's why they prove they are not Calvinist in their statement of faith?

Calvinism is false. Got Questions is not Calvinist.
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I only point it out as I too did not realise they were Calvinists after following their ministry early on in as a new believer.
 
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Now you have. You didn't earlier.
From the link. Four-point Calvinism is also the official position of Got Questions Ministries, as we hold the view that the extent of the atonement was unlimited.
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Thats not the only problem in Calvinsm . Nor is that the only distinctive of Calvinism .
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Blackpowderduelist said:
Works based salvation teaches license to sin.

"Lord Lord".
Go away I never knew you.
But we did all the things in your name
Go away you workers of iniquity.

Paraphrased.

Why would Jesus say this to people who did works for the sake of salvation?
Would it be because they made themselves Lord, expecting that their works earned them a place in Jesus?

I say believe and let Jesus do the work.
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Because their faith was in works
Not christ

Notice they did not say. But Jesus we trusted in you and your promises and you promised this

Their focus was on their works not Christ’s work
 
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throughfaith said:
I only point it out as I too did not realise they were Calvinists after following their ministry early on in as a new believer.
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I did not know they were of that following myself. I didn't see anything in their literature when searching for a biblical answer that would have led me to conclude they were four point Calvinists.
Though I would wonder if that can be ascribed to John Calvin as Calvinism? John Calvin was a five point Calvinist with, as I recall, no equivocation. In other words, he would not have agreed to the four point perspective that in effect amends the doctrine bearing his name; Calvinism (John Calvin)

Maybe four point Calvinist is a lot easier than to try and pronounce ones self as being an Amyraldist? Say that five times with a mouth full of peanut butter. :LOL:
 
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soggykitten

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eternally-gratefull said:
So you can’t answer the question that’s answer enough right there. Because I know you do believe that to be true
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I'm curious. Do you actually think before you type?
Your question: do you or do you not preach that water baptism must be achieved to be born again?
I answered: I don't preach.

Your thinking when reading that in the personal as you posted and addressed for me to understand in context.
So I can't answer the question (do you or do you not preach that water baptism must be achieved to be born again?), that's ( the answer I gave: I don't preach) the answer (That answer I don't preach) (to your question) right there, because I believe that (I don't preach) to be true.

What a convoluted way to make no sense thinking you're actually accusing me of something. When in fact, when your remarks are diagrammed in that way, yes! I do know my prior response to be true. I don't preach.
That's right, I don't. :) Thanks.

I do know what scripture tells me.

The links have been posted already.
John 3:5
Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

Acts 2:38
Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 3:3-4
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; 4 As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying, The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight.

1 Peter 3:21
" whereunto even baptism doth also now save us, (not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ."
 
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