When are we saved ?

[eternally-gratefull]

I get a sense that he is at least trying to understand our position. I don't get that sense with the other two. I could be wrong, but that's the sense I get right now.

I don‘t every thread he opens is an anti calvin thread, and he accuses many.

I have not seen Lena do it much so will give her benefit of the doubt, eleven I do not know what happened.

 

[OIC1965]

Odd then how you'd bring up that thread if it doesn't matter. Aside from the mistake of presuming 4 or 5 people were banned in "that thread" if/when there isn't a note to that effect under their name? OK.

Back to the topic.
(she says optimistically when there is a thread dedicated to the ban matter in Suggestions forum)

I saw several people with the word "banned" under their name in another thread. It was a Calvinist thread. People get all riled up about Calvinism, so anyone who even dares to type the words Election or Predestination is suspected of being a Calvinist.

 

[soggykitten]

1st I did not bring it up someone else did, I just explained what it was

and I have no idea about some suggestion fo a ban matter, never seen it

So much for optimism. You brought it up in a reply to me. Obviously that is what I was referring to. And there is a link in my last reply to that Suggestions forum thread.
I'm done following the derail in this thread. Which is why I made allusion to the Suggestion forum thread. If this wants to continue maybe there? Not in this thread asking when are we saved?

 

[soggykitten]

I saw several people with the word "banned" under their name in another thread. It was a Calvinist thread.

I'll have to find that one. I haven't participated in that many Calvinism threads.
Thank you for the information.

 

[OIC1965]

I don‘t every thread he opens is an anti calvin thread, and he accuses many.

I have not seen Lena do it much so will give her benefit of the doubt, eleven I do not know what happened.

I am mulling who to ignore further. i didn't appreciate being called obnoxious, so that was the tipper with Lena. Eleventh has been accusatory with me for a while now.

 

[OIC1965]

I'll have to find that one. I haven't participated in that many Calvinism threads.
Thank you for the information.

The thread was locked so it might be hard to find as no one has been posting in it for a while. It's not anything to worry about.

 

[soggykitten]

The thread was locked so it might be hard to find as no one has been posting in it for a while. It's not anything to worry about.

No worries. I just like to be informed.
And I did find it. I entered, Calvinism, in the search box in BDF. The first result supported what you said.
Question answered. I like that.
Thank you again.

 

[soggykitten]

I am mulling who to ignore further. i didn't appreciate being called obnoxious, so that was the tipper with Lena. Eleventh has been accusatory with me for a while now.

Just tossing this in.
Are you obnoxious?
Who does name calling reflect badly upon? The one who calls? Or the one called?

You are not what people call you. Have fun with it. You could ignore someone that may have something useful to your walk to say later on down the road.
I've always had fun with name calling at myself.. This actually was said to me in a forum a few years ago after I'd just arrived. A slew of negative criticism closed with callling me, "Mauron!" [fun with "Hooked on Phonics"]
Me: Thank you. I know how to spell Moron. God bless you.

 

[OIC1965]

Just tossing this in.
Are you obnoxious?
Who does name calling reflect badly upon? The one who calls? Or the one called?

You are not what people call you. Have fun with it. You could ignore someone that may have something useful to your walk to say later on down the road.
I've always had fun with name calling at myself.. This actually was said to me in a forum a few years ago after I'd just arrived. A slew of negative criticism closed with callling me, "Mauron!" [fun with "Hooked on Phonics"]
Me: Thank you. I know how to spell Moron. God bless you.

Will take that into consideration. Thank you.

 

[OIC1965]

I'll have to find that one. I haven't participated in that many Calvinism threads.
Thank you for the information.

Best to stay away from Calvinism threads. I should have probably stayed away from this one.

But I did one on Elect based on the foreknowledge of God from Second Peter, and they thought that was Calvinistic. Funny, because that is the very words Peter used, and my interpretation of the passage was fully non-Calvinist. Nice talking to you.

 

[lenna]

Here you accused me of saying we are "naught but robots". That's worse than Calvinism.

actually, try reading that without the angst and disturbing false accusations

what I said was, if a person has no choice, then they are as robots...

calm down before you damage yourself

 

[lenna]

Here you called me obnoxious. For asking a question.

well are you obnoxious? you were in our original exchanges

why does that bother you now?

it didn't when I said it way back then

 

[lenna]

I gave you a post number. I think it was 785. Going by memory.

this is what I said in that post:

ho hum

if it walks like a duckie etc

you seem in rather a good mood for your angst

you make assertions that actually do fit in with Calvinist doctrine, so again, if you do not really believe what you are writing?

then try to make your post say what you really mean

 

[lenna]

I stated a biblical position, and you said "Calvinists say that" as if that makes it Calvinistic. Calvinists also believe in the Trinity. Calvinists say that. So what? it doesn't make it Calvinistic.

Calvinists believe in the authority of the Bible, the resurrection, the Deity of Christ, the Second Coming, etc. That doesnt make any of those things Calvinistic.

well it does if you are Calvinist since they put that slant on just about everything

 

[lenna]

Well for one, Calvinists do not believe that humans are robots. You showed you lack knowledge by talking about robot people.

well you are robotic if you make no choices and state God does everything and you are just 'one of the lucky ones'

 

[lenna]

It is not about "accusing" but about drawing similarities with certain Calvinist/Reformed ideas which can be contested by looking at those scriptures in context.

right. I would say this ^^^^^^^^^

 

[lenna]

Post 892. You accused me of saying two things at the same time. False

no not false and not an accusation

more of an observation

so much talk of attacking you and accusing you

alot of smoke but no fire

 

[lenna]

So it’s ok for people to falsely accuse a brother but it’s not ok for someone to ask people to stop. And after they have been asked Numerous times It’s not ok to threaten to report?

My beef is not again you. Never has been. It’s against the false accusers. I was tying to politely show you how they were accusing and you evidently did not take that very well

you can ask but you cannot demand

vice versa also

I would like to ask everyone who states the words of Christ in the gospels are not applicable to Gentiles, to shut that down and wise up

not my place. I can only refute.

perhaps you do not take well the fact I disagree with your conclusions. that is not your evidence for how I process things here

 

[lenna]

Bull. A person is being falsely accused go ahead. Write the owner. It’s time they get involved this has gone on to long

bull?

really?

be careful because I think you are stepping in your own

perhaps you would like a forum where a moderator will shut you down quicker than the thought

I have one in mind if you like

 

[lenna]

Oh a member does not have a write to threaten to go to the mods or report a post

I don't threaten. I would just do it

and you can put that in the bank

occasionally, I will say some such thing as 'that is reportable' if it is a new person or someone who just kind of lost it

but you threaten with alarming alacrity and I know that personally