When are we saved ?

[OIC1965]

I have read that by one of their teachers ... could not believe what I was reading.

John 17 language.

Believers make up the church that is a bride that is given to the Son, right?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I would agree that you would not state things to take sides and you do stay true to your beliefs (hahaha boy do I know that).

It is not about "accusing" but about drawing similarities with certain Calvinist/Reformed ideas which can be contested by looking at those scriptures in context.

That’s fine

except when you see a calvinist twist that is not there.

when your at war with anything calvin, you start to see things that are not there, far to Many people have this issue lately. I fear it is because of all the calvin wars fought between to sides. That got many banned (calvinists and non calvinists) that people are still in that mode

it would be nice if people just looked at what someone said and just looked at him and try to understand instead of assuming like some have been.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

They teach that the 'elect' are a ' love gift ' from the Father to the Son

So do not calvinists, even Jesus said you gave them to me, we are a gift,

just like we recieved the gift in faith

 

[OIC1965]

I have read that by one of their teachers ... could not believe what I was reading.

John 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

ETCETERA

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes I see what you mean.

God chose "me" and I am gift from the Father to the Son

No

god chose to give the son the gift of all who believe

once again, your reading into it one way and not seeing The Whole picture

 

[OIC1965]

No

god chose to give the son the gift of all who believe

once again, your reading into it one way and not seeing The Whole picture

I say just ignore them.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I say just ignore them. They just come around and stir up trouble.

it would take us all ignoring them

 

[OIC1965]

it would take us all ignoring them

I'm good with ignoring them.

 

[OIC1965]

it would take us all ignoring them

Lenna and Eleventh on ignore.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Lenna and Eleventh on ignore.

I added throughfaith as he started this stuff

 

[soggykitten]

Everyone knows who was banned in that thread.

smh

Boy has this thread gone afield.
What thread would you be referring to? Does that thread you refer to show , per my prior inquiry, the label, Banned, under that member name you speak of?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Boy has this thread gone afield.
What thread would you be referring to? Does that thread you refer to show , per my prior inquiry, the label, Banned, under that member name you speak of?

It was a calvinist thread where about 4 or 5 people where banned

it does not matter what thread it was, let’s just not make the same mistake

 

[throughfaith]

no, but they seem to think that the faith by which we are birthed is a mere act of the human will and God had nothing to do with their believing.

God moved first in that he sent the Son to die for the sins of the World ,was buried and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures. Jesus said He will draw all men unto him And he is the light of the world. He gives the Holy Spirit . He has given everything, so we are then without excuse for not Believing the truth so as to be saved.

 

[OIC1965]

Jesse and skelly ( sinless perfection ) believe in an ' election ' conditional in eternity past . Which is false .

Morrell is an open theist.

 

[throughfaith]

Morrell is an open theist.

That too .

 

[OIC1965]

God moved first in that he sent the Son to die for the sins of the World ,was buried and rose again on the third day according to the Scriptures. Jesus said He will draw all men unto him And he is the light of the world. He gives the Holy Spirit . He has given everything, so we are then without excuse for not Believing the truth so as to be saved.

How does Jesus draw all men to Himself?

 

[OIC1965]

That too .

It would be difficult to elect in eternity past if God didn't know the future. The two systems are contradictory. But he may well contradict himself, you never know.

 

[soggykitten]

It was a calvinist thread where about 4 or 5 people where banned

it does not matter what thread it was, let’s just not make the same mistake

Odd then how you'd bring up that thread if it doesn't matter. Aside from the mistake of presuming 4 or 5 people were banned in "that thread" if/when there isn't a note to that effect under their name? OK.

Back to the topic.
(she says optimistically when there is a thread dedicated to the ban matter in Suggestions forum)

 

[OIC1965]

I added throughfaith as he started this stuff

I get a sense that he is at least trying to understand our position. I don't get that sense with the other two. I could be wrong, but that's the sense I get right now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Odd then how you'd bring up that thread if it doesn't matter. Aside from the mistake of presuming 4 or 5 people were banned in "that thread" if/when there isn't a note to that effect under their name? OK.

Back to the topic.
(she says optimistically when there is a thread dedicated to the ban matter in Suggestions forum)

1st I did not bring it up someone else did, I just explained what it was

and I have no idea about some suggestion fo a ban matter, never seen it