When are we saved ?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

Magenta

Senior Member
Jul 3, 2015
59,815
29,194
113
Think on what I posted.

Saving faith as a gift is the basis of Reformed doctrine.
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. Romans 12:3
 

OIC1965

Well-known member
Sep 19, 2020
2,754
1,016
113
yes? post please?

don't bother thinking eg has any sort of special weight here

I have reported his threats because he has 0 business making them
Post 892. You accused me of saying two things at the same time. False
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
don't bother

I am reporting this myself

you have no business to threaten people.
So it’s ok for people to falsely accuse a brother but it’s not ok for someone to ask people to stop. And after they have been asked Numerous times It’s not ok to threaten to report?

My beef is not again you. Never has been. It’s against the false accusers. I was tying to politely show you how they were accusing and you evidently did not take that very well
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
Yes.

We become sons of God through faith

he gave us the power to become sons of God

He gives us the power to become sons of God through faith
He gave them the power to. They chose to say no thank you I want to live in my sins and be my own god (unbelief)
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
great and I will write the owner of the site and ask when you were made a moderator

no one is being falsely accused

you have done just what I thought you would do which is why I did not want to continue discussing with you
Bull. A person is being falsely accused go ahead. Write the owner. It’s time they get involved this has gone on to long
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
You have falsely accused me of being a Calvinist because I believe in election and predestination, which are in the Bible

I never said unconditional election

I never said irresistable grace

You have a false dichotomy where either we were chosen unconditionally or we were not chosen at all.

You are sorely confused.
Calvinists....whoever they may be also think all their beliefs are biblical as well.
 
E

eternally-gratefull

Guest
yes? post please?

don't bother thinking eg has any sort of special weight here

I have reported his threats because he has 0 business making them
Oh a member does not have a write to threaten to go to the mods or report a post :ROFL::ROFL::ROFL:
 

OIC1965

Well-known member
Sep 19, 2020
2,754
1,016
113
yes? post please?

don't bother thinking eg has any sort of special weight here

I have reported his threats because he has 0 business making them
You accused me of having Calvinist leanings. False.
 

OIC1965

Well-known member
Sep 19, 2020
2,754
1,016
113
Calvinists....whoever they may be also think all their beliefs are biblical as well.
Applies to you as well.

Jesus gave us power to become sons of God. How do we become sons of God? Tell me.
 

throughfaith

Well-known member
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
So after we receive Him, He gives us power to become the sons of God? How do we use that power to become sons of God? Because it says He gives us authority to become sons of God

So we receive Him, and then He gives us authority to exercise to become sons of God? I don’t think so

The way we become sons of God is by receiving Him, ie faith, and IT IS HE THAT GAVE US the power to become the sons of God, even those who believe on His Name

The way we become sons of God is through faith, and it is HE that grants us that power. Poof!!!
I AGREE. After we recieve Jesus we are regenerated, sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption ( Adoption) Predestined to it After believing. Elected for purpose and service . We are not saved by works or our own righteousness.
 
E

EleventhHour

Guest
You accused me of having Calvinist leanings. False.
It is not about you, the only thing we are discussing is your beliefs and how in part it lines up with Reformed dogma.

If you find it, post it here if you like. RC was a man of God in my eyes.
Why is that a problem when you listen to their teachers, I am confused?
 
L

lenna

Guest
You have falsely accused me of being a Calvinist because I believe in election and predestination, which are in the Bible

I never said unconditional election

I never said irresistable grace

You have a false dichotomy where either we were chosen unconditionally or we were not chosen at all.

You are sorely confused.

oh listen. you are just worked up because of what eternally said.

you have said many things that sound very Calvinistic and that is what people are asking about and what you deny yet you continue to misrepresent scripture

this is not anything new in this forum. that is what goes on here

no one has called you names...calling or saying someone is Calvinist...is usually because of what they write and so what?

as it is, where is the post in which I stated you were Calvinist? I went back to the beginning of where I began responding in this thread and if no one else thought you had Calvinist leanings I would have anyway

that, is not a reportable offence despite what eternally has said

he is being a bully. so we have that too

but again, where did I say YOU are a big bad Calvinist? which post please
 

throughfaith

Well-known member
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
Applies to you as well.

Jesus gave us power to become sons of God. How do we become sons of God? Tell me.
Regeneration . Which I've said from the beginning ( not the beginning of time beginning lol 😆)
 

OIC1965

Well-known member
Sep 19, 2020
2,754
1,016
113
I AGREE. After we recieve Jesus we are regenerated, sealed by the Holy spirit until the day of redemption ( Adoption) Predestined to it After believing. Elected for purpose and service . We are not saved by works or our own righteousness.
Who gave us the power to become sons of God, and how was that sonship accomplished?

You already said we become sons through faith. So to be given power to become sons means given power to become sons of God through faith

Faith is granted. Just like the passages in acts 11 and Philippians I posted earlier stated
 

OIC1965

Well-known member
Sep 19, 2020
2,754
1,016
113
oh listen. you are just worked up because of what eternally said.

you have said many things that sound very Calvinistic and that is what people are asking about and what you deny yet you continue to misrepresent scripture

this is not anything new in this forum. that is what goes on here

no one has called you names...calling or saying someone is Calvinist...is usually because of what they write and so what?

as it is, where is the post in which I stated you were Calvinist? I went back to the beginning of where I began responding in this thread and if no one else thought you had Calvinist leanings I would have anyway

that, is not a reportable offence despite what eternally has said

he is being a bully. so we have that too

but again, where did I say YOU are a big bad Calvinist? which post please
Misrepresent scripture. Another accusation.
 

throughfaith

Well-known member
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
Who gave us the power to become sons of God, and how was that sonship accomplished?

You already said we become sons through faith. So to be given power to become sons means given power to become sons of God through faith

Faith is granted. Just like the passages in acts 11 and Philippians I posted earlier stated
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Same point here. Titus 3.5
I said we become sons through the new birth not Adoption .
 
L

lenna

Guest
Yeah I do/

I want you to see what he is really saying and not just accuse him like the other two.

Again, On the outside, I could see it to..

All I am asking is do not assume because he uses a few key words. Ask hi what he means by those words..
I have asked actually

maybe cut the swagger and post in a normal fashion

if you 'want' someone to see something, threatening (for no reason other than you are disagreed with IMO) is not how to get their attention

I don't agree with you

you see one thing and several here see another

so you need to report that? take a chill pill

I know about the thread that I would not post in because of the nastiness of it and I know what happened and who was banned

this is nothing like that thread
 
L

lenna

Guest
Misrepresent scripture. Another accusation.
listen...people are not going to be banned here despite what you might have been told

I am still waiting for the proof of what you say

I know you will not find it

you don't own the rights to this discussion. it's not your thread and even he does not own the rights

further, saying you sound Calvinistic is not misrepresenting scripture. in fact, it might be misrepresenting you, but you keep posting double meanings so you stop crying wolf
 

throughfaith

Well-known member
Aug 4, 2020
10,467
1,593
113
For by the grace given me I say to every one of you: Do not think of yourself more highly than you ought, but think of yourself with sober judgment, according to the measure of faith God has given you. Romans 12:3
in relation to gifts , after salvation .

3¶For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more highly than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.
4For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith ;
7Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;