Born again?

[eternally-gratefull]

True, but then God chose to focus on one particular nation, ever since exodus.

Gentiles were out of luck then, they had to join the nation Israel during that time to be included, until the nation Israel has fallen from that special favor (Romans 11:11).

God chose that have that nation represent him to the world

that nation failed

salvation was never solely for the jew.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

you know, never in my entire life (saved since the age of 5 and been all over the place in many different churches due to moves and service) have I heard or read of anyone thinking they are 'smart enough' to accept Christ

this, is the problem that Calvinist's create. not content to debate, which is fine and actually often helps a person understand what they say they believe better as they research, you must needs be insulting

why? it does nothing for what you present

I won't say more, but I have discussed with plenty of Calvinists on this site and with only a few exceptions, they become angry and frankly rather snotty

makes discussion and or debate personal rather than one of biblical doctrine

Humility and grace brings us to the point of bancrupcy, not because we are so smart, but because God has convinced us the total opposite,

the tax collector did not fall because he was smart, he fell because he realised his dire situation (hopelessness) and could only find one offer of hope that he hoped could rescue him from that despair.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Surely you have heard that someone is too stick-necked, or too prideful, or too (whatever) to receive the gospel, and at the same time those comments are made, the person making them pats themselves on the back for being so 'open' to hear. I spent a long time with baptists, probably 10 years, before someone shared the doctrines of grace with me. so I made that call from my experience with that group.

As I have said before, most people, including those who are supposed to be calvinist/reformed do not really know the true definitions of our doctrines. I see a lot of 'information' on line that does not represent calvinism or any other "ism" with any degree of real knowlege. Spurgeon called it so-called calvinism because these great bible truths did not begin with that one man. The doctrines of grace include the Trinity and sola scriptura, who argues with that? "Calvinism is based on God's sovereignty over His creation. There is no such thing as a sovereign God having a creation with veto power.

Like I said, I don't judge the unbelief of others, God will do as He has purposed in His own timing.
Yet, here you are putting "calvinists" in one basket and judging all of us alike....of course, "with exceptions". I do not see non-calvinist/non-reformers being exactly nice and polite. I personally have been assigned derogatory names by them. idiot, delusional, apostate, a problem, ...you get the drift.

I agree that is no way to discuss doctrine. I call no one names.......but I confess I have thought it.

I was a baptist most of my life, I never heard of anyone pat themselves on the back because they were smart enough to chose Jesus.

they had some major legalistic tendencies, and did struggle with pride, but not when it came to faith

 

[GraceAndTruth]

I was a baptist most of my life, I never heard of anyone pat themselves on the back because they were smart enough to chose Jesus.

they had some major legalistic tendencies, and did struggle with pride, but not when it came to faith

its called a 'figure of speech"
just so ya know

 

[eternally-gratefull]

its called a 'figure of speech"
just so ya know

May be

bit it is still out there to say a person who came to faith thinks they did it because they were smarter than anyone else

 

[GraceAndTruth]

It is almost predictable, not one person addressed the two scriptures I posted and fell instead on my opinion of SOME believers.
And some who believe they believe.

 

[lenna]

Humility and grace brings us to the point of bancrupcy, not because we are so smart, but because God has convinced us the total opposite,

the tax collector did not fall because he was smart, he fell because he realised his dire situation (hopelessness) and could only find one offer of hope that he hoped could rescue him from that despair.

I have mentioned the fact that I was saved at the ripe old age of 5 quite a bit lately on these forums and sometimes when I read about how those who were saved older and what their realizations were, I ask myself well what did I think about back then since I was not capable of the type of thought being expressed by those older

I can only state that God by His Spirit then guided me as I grew and honestly has dealt with me on things that were not apparent to me back then

I find the comparisons pretty interesting actually

 

[lenna]

It is almost predictable, not one person addressed the two scriptures I posted and fell instead on my opinion of SOME believers.
And some who believe they believe.

smh

everything but actually dealing with the 'pride' issue you posted with respect to those who are NOT in the Calvinist camp

you know, because you do not sound dumb, that avoidance is a rather loud shout at times, right?

what about those 2 verses? I will state again, doctrine is not created from a smorgasbord choosing of verses pulled from what the opinion being expressed, believes creates a fail safe environment, from which to execute judgment on everyone else

that practice brings to mind yet another trait I have seen Calvinists exhibit. dump a few verses without explanation as if some great debate has just been decided in their favor

it's a sandwich with no bread and the protein is questionable

 

[lenna]

It is almost predictable, not one person addressed the two scriptures I posted and fell instead on my opinion of SOME believers.
And some who believe they believe.

God causes you to BE born again 1 Peter 1:3 (it can't get any plainer than that!)

By God's grace: belief (faith) is a gift of God and not of yourself that no man can boast Eph 2:9

Some people get a bit of spiritual pride that they were smart enough to "accept Christ" while the rest of the unsaved are obviously too stupid to grow a little faith. I never count anyone out, never know when or if the call from God will quicken them to new life. God has made us with His purpose to do His will. God turned their hearts to execute His will Rev 17:17

Even trolls have a purpose.

those 2 verses?

3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

did you maybe mean v.1? even so,
1 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ,

To God’s elect, exiles scattered throughout the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia and Bithynia, 2 who have been chosen according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, to be obedient to Jesus Christ and sprinkled with his blood:

Grace and peace be yours in abundance.

chosen according to God's foreknowledge in no way indicates we had no choice. it does not indicate that foreknowledge was more than God knows the future...foreknowledge...and knows who will come to Him and accept His mercy and grace through Christ.

as for Rev. 17:17, context would be helpful in understanding this because it surely doe not apply to salvation. in fact, this applies to damnation

feel free to read the entire chapter or the entire book for that matter, but the context is about those who war against the Lamb..Christ.

this is about God dealing with the beast, Babylon the great, the mother of prostitutes and the abominations of the earth.

how you connect that to salvation is a moment outside of time at its best and capable of causing complete befuddlement to those who are new at doctrine

I don't think I would turn my back on you if you are capable of such twisting. call that nasty if you will although I would disagree there as well

 

[lenna]

The blessed Mary mother of God, is a perpetual virgin to the glory of God!

no

 

[lenna]

CYRIL OF JERUSALEM
“If any man does not receive baptism, he does not have salvation.

St. AUGUSTINE
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).

if any person does not receive the Lord Jesus Christ he/she does not have salvation

AND

there is only one way sins are forgiven and that is through the shed blood of the only Son of God

and Mary is not a virgin

 

[Guojing]

Let’s see

davids grandmother was a gentile,

jonah was sent to the gentiles and they repented

Gentiles all over where getting saved, The same way abraham did, by believing in God

I already stated that gentiles have to join the nation Israel during the ot in order to be included

Could the gentiles males have been saved in the ot without being physically circumcised?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I already stated that gentiles have to join the nation Israel during the ot in order to be included

Could the gentiles males have been saved in the ot without being physically circumcised?

So did ninevah join the nation of Israel jonah preached to the, or did they just repent and believe?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I have mentioned the fact that I was saved at the ripe old age of 5 quite a bit lately on these forums and sometimes when I read about how those who were saved older and what their realizations were, I ask myself well what did I think about back then since I was not capable of the type of thought being expressed by those older

I can only state that God by His Spirit then guided me as I grew and honestly has dealt with me on things that were not apparent to me back then

I find the comparisons pretty interesting actually

I had the same I was 6 or 7 when I was saved

 

[Guojing]

well let's look at the verses (if a person is going to quote something, for the most part, they should take the bother to actually include the verses and not just the reference IMO)

11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.

so, you take these verses OUT OF CONTEXT and hope to illustrate why your view is THE view. however, contextually, the 2 verses do NOT state what you are painfully trying to make them say

the OT law indicated a Gentile could convert to Judaism, so they would then be as Jewish as born Jew

nowhere is Paul saying no Gentile ever was saved. that, is your fabrication and if you would understand that doctrines do not have a one or two verse source, you might understand this concept.

the moment Christ rose from the dead, ALL must come to God through Him ONLY. no more OT law or sacrificial system. this now includes Jews and Gentiles who are ONE in Christ. Jews without Christ are now as dead and unbelieving as any Gentile who does not believe



why? did God only love the Jews?

for God so loved THE WORLD...it was always God's plan to include all who believed. Abraham was not born a Jew. how should we account for him? God creates...that is what He does. He has created a plan of salvation or redemption for ALL who believe.

Jesus had not yet come to earth, yet Abraham was accounted righteous before God. WHY? because he BELIEVED God. his faith was his righteousness

salvation is not an order of dos and donts like the OT

Yes I agree with you that a gentile must joined Israel, in time past, to be included

They could not come to God on their own, until Paul

 

[Guojing]

So did ninevah join the nation of Israel jonah preached to the, or did they just repent and believe?

Why don’t you tell me?

Were they saved when they repented there, or was salvation a future event for them?

 

[Guojing]

I think of them as "The Seed of Abraham". That seemed to be their 'claim to fame'.

Yes God extended grace to the nation Israel because they descended from Abraham, as exodus 1 indicated

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Why don’t you tell me?

Were they saved when they repented there, or was salvation a future event for them?

They were saved.

just like any Jew was saved

just like abraham was saved

they believe God,

 

[Guojing]

God chose that have that nation represent him to the world

that nation failed

salvation was never solely for the jew.

Yes we gentiles had to wait our turn, as Paul explained in Romans 11:11

 

[Guojing]

They were saved.

just like any Jew was saved

just like abraham was saved

they believe God,

So you are saying You believed the males need not be circumcised during that time?