When are we saved ?

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ForestGreenCook

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Yes all those in him are chosen to be holy and blameless in love he predestined to future Adoption. This only happens to those in him . When do we get in him ?
Eph 2.11-12 reminds us that in no sense whatsoever are we in him before we exist .
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Eph 2:4 says we are chosen "in him".
 
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You are confused. Jacob, as Israel is the invisible church of all of the elect, from every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation.
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I realise that all , world, elect, Israel, covid 19 really means ' every kindred , and tongue , people and nation, to a calvinst .
 
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Your referring to Ezekiel which is not referring to Gentiles but a future occurrence for Israel . Your doing the calvinist thing again . Gentiles in 2020 are having stony hearts replaced by hew hearts to walk in statutes and ordinances lol . Israel will be caused to walk in those Jewish statutes and ordinances, in the future tribulation period .
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You are still ignoring that Jacob's name is Israel, which is the invisible church made up of every nation. Rom 9:6, For they are not all Israel that are of Israel.
 
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ForestGreenCook

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You've been addressed on this issue numerous times. This is garbage ( respectfully) There is Jews 1) Gentiles 2) and the church of God .
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You have also been addressed on this issue numerous times, and it still holds true that Jacob, as Israel, is the church of the elect.
 
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You have also been addressed on this issue numerous times, and it still holds true that Jacob, as Israel, is the church of the elect.
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Come on now, this is tin hat stuff here . Israel are Gods firstborn. They are his elect. The elect that are not currently believing. Which shows that Augustines version of ' elect ' is false.
 
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throughfaith

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In Christ, and predetermined to be included in the adoption price that was paid by Christ on the cross, and made to be holy, and without blame.
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I think you've tried your best to include everything there ,but it's unfortunately incoherent ? Could you explain that by simplifying please ?
 
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ForestGreenCook

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You know that's Calvinism right. ?
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Whether it be Calvinism, I do not know, as I have never read his writings. Scripture proves scripture, and they are my only source of reference. You might try that once in a while.
 
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Whether it be Calvinism, I do not know, as I have never read his writings. Scripture proves scripture, and they are my only source of reference. You might try that once in a while.
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I speak to calvinsts all the time and your lingo is exactly word for word the same . You just need to quote some reformed theologians for the full house.
 
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Whether it be Calvinism, I do not know, as I have never read his writings. Scripture proves scripture, and they are my only source of reference. You might try that once in a while.
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Come on . What happened ..You didn't start off believing this Lordship / legalistic philosophy, when did you start to fall into it . I was drawn into it through letting my guard down, watching to many debates on YouTube and started listening to the likes of vodie baucham , , Greg Bahnsen, James White ect .
 
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Come on now, this is tin hat stuff here . Israel are Gods firstborn. They are his elect. The elect that are not currently believing. Which shows that Augustines version of ' elect ' is false.
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Chosen and elect are the same. The elect were chosen by God, before the foundation of the world, and the elect are the only ones that God regenerates, after they have been born into this world. The second coming of Jesus to gather his elect from the four winds of the earth will be right after the last one of his elect has been regenerated.

What are you going to do with the verse that says "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"?
 
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I think you've tried your best to include everything there ,but it's unfortunately incoherent ? Could you explain that by simplifying please ?
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It may be incoherent to you, but it is probably not to others on this forum. Matt 11:25, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
 
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Chosen and elect are the same. The elect were chosen by God, before the foundation of the world, and the elect are the only ones that God regenerates, after they have been born into this world. The second coming of Jesus to gather his elect from the four winds of the earth will be right after the last one of his elect has been regenerated.

What are you going to do with the verse that says "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"?
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isa 45 For Jacob My servant’s sake, And Israel My elect, I have even called you by your name; I have named you, though you have not known Me.
 
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throughfaith

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It may be incoherent to you, but it is probably not to others on this forum. Matt 11:25, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
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Yes I know the gnostics taught a secret knowledge only the chosen ones would hear .
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Chosen and elect are the same. The elect were chosen by God, before the foundation of the world, and the elect are the only ones that God regenerates, after they have been born into this world. The second coming of Jesus to gather his elect from the four winds of the earth will be right after the last one of his elect has been regenerated.

What are you going to do with the verse that says "For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel"?
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in him . When were you ' in him ' ?
 
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