Elect according to the foreknowledge of God. 1 Peter 1:2

[Truth7t7]

Hmmmmm...I wonder why that little piece of land has had so much controversy through the years...

You never heard me say that Israel/Jerusalem aren't seen in future prophecy.

The future Antichrist will be revealed in Jerusalem, there will be a 3.5 year tribulation, the two witnesses of Rev 11 will control the world through plagues as often as they will, a complete remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

The only future events for ethnic Jews is judgement for the unsaved, and salvation for the chosen remnant elect.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well, the church is the body of Christ. There are millions of members in heaven who have already passed away. Will they be resurrected to go through the tribulation? Or only part of the body of Christ will go through this judgment?

The Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of believers takes place on the (Last Day) how can you have believers being resurrected anytime before this?

1+1=2

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God did keep his promise to the (Seed) and that seed is the (Church)

The promise to the seed is by faith in the Cross of Calvary.

Romans 4:13KJV
For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Ethnic Jews of the flesh are not the children of God, the church of the (Promise) are the seed.

Read it again and again, God has no covenant with Jews of the flesh, none!

How do you have a covenant with an ethnic group, when the word clearly states "They Are Not God's Children"?

Romans 9:8KJV
That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Um no
god never promised the church any land in the middle of Palestine where they would be held back for 409 years until the sin of The amorite is complete

You are trying to replace the promises to isreal with the church this is a bad thing to do and again makes god out to be a liar

 

[John146]

The Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of believers takes place on the (Last Day) how can you have believers being resurrected anytime before this?

1+1=2

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

So, is the entire church, body of Christ, going to go through Jacob's trouble? Or just a portion of Christ's body?

 

[Truth7t7]

So, is the entire church, body of Christ, going to go through Jacob's trouble? Or just a portion of Christ's body?

The church will be present on earth during the tribulation, the plagues that the (Two Witnesses) bring as seen in the book of Revelation will fall upon the unsaved wicked on earth, not the church, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

God's divine protection of the Church present on earth during the tribulation

Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

 

[cv5]

I said offered to all but not accepted by all

I definitely know (as I'm sure you know) plenty of people in our circle of associates and friends to whom we have preached the gospel. And they turned the offer of salvation down flat. Instantaneously. Not interested is not even a little bit interested.

My perception is that these individuals did so of their own free will.

My forensic analysis is that they loved this present world and loved their sin. Precisely in the manner the Bible says.

 

[John146]

The church will be present on earth during the tribulation, the plagues that the (Two Witnesses) bring as seen in the book of Revelation will fall upon the unsaved wicked on earth, not the church, a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt.

Revelation 11:3-6KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

God's divine protection of the Church present on earth during the tribulation

Revelation 13:9-10KJV
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

What you're saying is the church, the body of Christ, will be resurrected before the tribulation and proceed to go through the tribulation. Yes?

 

[cv5]

Why doesn’t Paul ever state this to the body of Christ? John, Peter, Hebrews...

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

 

[Truth7t7]

What you're saying is the church, the body of Christ, will be resurrected before the tribulation and proceed to go through the tribulation. Yes?

Once Again

The Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of believers takes place on the (Last Day) how can you have believers being resurrected anytime before this?

1+1=2

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Magenta]

You said something about not doing anything. Believing is an action.

Please get it straight: there have been those here who have repeatedly claimed they did nothing, they had no choice in the matter of their salvation. I do not say such ridiculous things but to share information with others and try to set the record straight.

 

[cv5]

So, is the entire church, body of Christ, going to go through Jacob's trouble? Or just a portion of Christ's body?

I think that you should locate every mention of the term "Church" in Revelation.
And then ask yourself who is it that is doing the preaching during the time of the tribulation period.

Bearing in mind of course that the 144,000 are of the sons of Jacob.

You will find that the term Church is never mentioned during the time of the tribulation.
You'll also find that only Israelites are witnessing to the world during the time of the tribulation.

 

[EleventhHour]

You said something about not doing anything. Believing is an action.

Believing is the passive result of being persuaded something is true.

 

[Truth7t7]

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Jesus was speaking of Foreknowledge, and how salvation would be brought to the gentiles.

To the Jew first, where the church was established in Jerusalem, then to the gentiles.

 

[cv5]

There are multiple Covenants in scripture

Come to think of it, the Davidic covenant is also perpetual!

 

[cv5]

I been at this over 40 years, Big Smiles!

That Shed Blood Below Is A Covenant With Man, It Took Place On The Cross Of Calvary

Will You Now Bend And Twist This Very Basic Truth?

Hebrews 13:20KJV
20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant

Hebrews 12:23-24KJV
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Actually the New Covenant was proclaimed Matthew 26 at the Lord's supper.
It was validated at the cross. It was activated on Pentecost.

 

[Truth7t7]

I think that you should locate every mention of the term "Church" in Revelation.
And then ask yourself who is it that is doing the preaching during the time of the tribulation period.

Bearing in mind of course that the 144,000 are of the sons of Jacob.

You will find that the term Church is never mentioned during the time of the tribulation.
You'll also find that only Israelites are witnessing to the world during the time of the tribulation.

Luke 21:20-28 below clearly shows the (Church) present on earth during the tribulation, right up to the second coming of Jesus Christ in the heavens.

Verse 24 states (They Shall Fall) speaking to the Church present, about the Jews in Jerusalem during the fulfilling of the gentiles, also seen in Revelation 11:2

Luke 21:20-28KJV
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[Truth7t7]

Actually the New Covenant was proclaimed Matthew 26 at the Lord's supper.
It was validated at the cross. It was activated on Pentecost.

The New covenant was activated on the cross of Calvary, salvation in the shed blood, the thief on the cross experienced the New covenant through his faith.

 

[John146]

John 10:16
I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them in as well, and they will listen to My voice. Then there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Tribulation Israel

 

[John146]

Once Again

The Bible clearly teaches that the resurrection of believers takes place on the (Last Day) how can you have believers being resurrected anytime before this?

1+1=2

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

When is your interpretation of the last day? Before or after the tribulation?

 

[John146]

I think that you should locate every mention of the term "Church" in Revelation.
And then ask yourself who is it that is doing the preaching during the time of the tribulation period.

Bearing in mind of course that the 144,000 are of the sons of Jacob.

You will find that the term Church is never mentioned during the time of the tribulation.
You'll also find that only Israelites are witnessing to the world during the time of the tribulation.

I agree, the question was to Truth7t7...